Inpatient staffing issue

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

nexus73

Full Member
7+ Year Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2015
Messages
1,599
Reaction score
2,438
Our inpatient unit has a couple of staffing problems. We're attached to a community hospital, with an adult psych unit and child psych unit. Our docs work a 7 on 7 off schedule and are on straight RVUs with no guaranteed salary (there is enough work this is not an issue).

One problem is on our child unit. We only have 2 doctors and 26 beds. The unit census can swing significantly depending on time of year (in general heavy through the school year Fall/Winter/Spring, light in the summer). It can get down to a low of 10, and up to a max of 26 on the psych unit, with boarded kids in the ED or in medical beds waiting admission to psych. It is expected psychiatrists consult on all the boarded patients. This means each child psychiatrist could be responsible for 13 on the unit plus off unit boarded patient consults. The child psychiatrists tell me the heavy days are not reasonable. I've tried proposing to admin that we need a patient cap, saying above a certain number of patients the doctors can't cover everyone adequately and there are concerns for safety and burnout. The child docs want a cap of 10 patients per day, and either cap the total unit at 20, or hire a half time doc or NP to cover the other beds (this was apparently the schedule a few years ago before I came on, but is now considered by hospital admin to be overstaffed). The discussion about setting a patient cap went no where. The issue is the unit average for the whole year is 16 patients per day, so each doctor on average, over the year, has 8 kids per day. The hospital admin is saying we need to staff to this average and accept there will be heavier days and lighter days. Has anyone been through a similar issue? Any suggestions? Is this just the way it is?

Another issue is the hospital wants the 7 day week to be 7 days of 12 hours each. So if a consult comes in at 6pm, they are expecting the on call psychiatrist to be in the hospital to see the patient. If a patient is transferred from an outside hospital and arrives at 6pm, they want the doc available to do the admission that day. This is interesting because being on straight wRVUs for pay, there is no reimbursement to stay in the hospital waiting until 7pm for more work. If a doc is finished at 5pm they leave, but the hospital admin is not happy about this. There is no on call pay. The administration does not understand why we object to this expectation. Our contracts do not stipulate a day requires you to remain in the hospital or even to come back to see consults. Our hospital bylaws allow up to 24 hours to see a consult, and 18 hours to admit a transferred patient, unless there is an urgent issue requiring us to actually see the patient face-to-face (which is fairly rare in psychiatry). If an urgent issue exists we do return to the hospital to see them, but most consults requested late in the day or at night can be safely pushed to the following morning.

I'm wondering about other's experiences with a 7 on 7 off schedule and being bound to the hospital for the full 12 hour day, or being obligated to return for consults that are requested within that 12 hours regardless of urgency. I'm running into issues as there are no psychiatrists in administration. There are internists, nurses, and MBAs, and they seem to look at inpatient psychiatry the same as surgery or internal medicine, where the patient issues are frequently much more life/death, and the hospital is actually staffed with doctors expected to routinely be available 24 hours a day for urgent/emergent issues. I've tried to explain that psychiatry is a completely different specialty with different patient care needs, and that we're not getting paid for the kind of availability they're wanting. Again, these conversations have not be very useful.

I think if they want the doctors to be this available they'd need to provide a fairly significant guaranteed base salary. The issue is none of the doctors are all that interested in getting paid more and doing more work. They want a good work-life balance.

Thanks in advance for any replies. I'm interested in any and all thoughts on these issues. If anyone has good resources for advice about running an inpatient psych service, or good professional organizations with psych physician leadership training conferences, videos, courses, or anything like that, I'm very interested in that too.
 
Our inpatient unit has a couple of staffing problems. We're attached to a community hospital, with an adult psych unit and child psych unit. Our docs work a 7 on 7 off schedule and are on straight RVUs with no guaranteed salary (there is enough work this is not an issue).

One problem is on our child unit. We only have 2 doctors and 26 beds. The unit census can swing significantly depending on time of year (in general heavy through the school year Fall/Winter/Spring, light in the summer). It can get down to a low of 10, and up to a max of 26 on the psych unit, with boarded kids in the ED or in medical beds waiting admission to psych. It is expected psychiatrists consult on all the boarded patients. This means each child psychiatrist could be responsible for 13 on the unit plus off unit boarded patient consults. The child psychiatrists tell me the heavy days are not reasonable. I've tried proposing to admin that we need a patient cap, saying above a certain number of patients the doctors can't cover everyone adequately and there are concerns for safety and burnout. The child docs want a cap of 10 patients per day, and either cap the total unit at 20, or hire a half time doc or NP to cover the other beds (this was apparently the schedule a few years ago before I came on, but is now considered by hospital admin to be overstaffed). The discussion about setting a patient cap went no where. The issue is the unit average for the whole year is 16 patients per day, so each doctor on average, over the year, has 8 kids per day. The hospital admin is saying we need to staff to this average and accept there will be heavier days and lighter days. Has anyone been through a similar issue? Any suggestions? Is this just the way it is?

Another issue is the hospital wants the 7 day week to be 7 days of 12 hours each. So if a consult comes in at 6pm, they are expecting the on call psychiatrist to be in the hospital to see the patient. If a patient is transferred from an outside hospital and arrives at 6pm, they want the doc available to do the admission that day. This is interesting because being on straight wRVUs for pay, there is no reimbursement to stay in the hospital waiting until 7pm for more work. If a doc is finished at 5pm they leave, but the hospital admin is not happy about this. There is no on call pay. The administration does not understand why we object to this expectation. Our contracts do not stipulate a day requires you to remain in the hospital or even to come back to see consults. Our hospital bylaws allow up to 24 hours to see a consult, and 18 hours to admit a transferred patient, unless there is an urgent issue requiring us to actually see the patient face-to-face (which is fairly rare in psychiatry). If an urgent issue exists we do return to the hospital to see them, but most consults requested late in the day or at night can be safely pushed to the following morning.

I'm wondering about other's experiences with a 7 on 7 off schedule and being bound to the hospital for the full 12 hour day, or being obligated to return for consults that are requested within that 12 hours regardless of urgency. I'm running into issues as there are no psychiatrists in administration. There are internists, nurses, and MBAs, and they seem to look at inpatient psychiatry the same as surgery or internal medicine, where the patient issues are frequently much more life/death, and the hospital is actually staffed with doctors expected to routinely be available 24 hours a day for urgent/emergent issues. I've tried to explain that psychiatry is a completely different specialty with different patient care needs, and that we're not getting paid for the kind of availability they're wanting. Again, these conversations have not be very useful.

I think if they want the doctors to be this available they'd need to provide a fairly significant guaranteed base salary. The issue is none of the doctors are all that interested in getting paid more and doing more work. They want a good work-life balance.

Thanks in advance for any replies. I'm interested in any and all thoughts on these issues. If anyone has good resources for advice about running an inpatient psych service, or good professional organizations with psych physician leadership training conferences, videos, courses, or anything like that, I'm very interested in that too.

Any system that expects an attending child psychiatrist to see a 6pm consult doesn’t understand the market and will lose that attending psychiatrist.

At my system we are staffed for our maximum census and when the census is low over the summer there are mechanisms to help us child folks not fall too far behind (eg, weekends get paid at a flat rate even if there are 3 kids).

There is such a shortage of child psychiatrists that your system must not understand what the market is like or be used to people not complaining too much.
 
Any system that expects an attending child psychiatrist to see a 6pm consult doesn’t understand the market and will lose that attending psychiatrist.

At my system we are staffed for our maximum census and when the census is low over the summer there are mechanisms to help us child folks not fall too far behind (eg, weekends get paid at a flat rate even if there are 3 kids).

There is such a shortage of child psychiatrists that your system must not understand what the market is like or be used to people not complaining too much.
And we’re in a rural location. Administration is not aware at all what it would take to recruit a child psychiatrist if someone leaves.

Would you mind telling me the basics of your staffing model?
 
And we’re in a rural location. Administration is not aware at all what it would take to recruit a child psychiatrist if someone leaves.

Would you mind telling me the basics of your staffing model?

Its super hard to answer because our system is quite different (not 7/7, multiple outpatient/PHP programs, etc.). But here is the way this should be thought of: in a productivity system, there is a legitimate financial question of how the child and adolescent docs in your system should maintain revenue when volume is low (and there are myriad options, including having them take more vacation in this time, providing other coverage opportunities, tolerating a lower revenue etc.). However, the question of how many patients people can cover is a clinical question and you can't let them make it about money. If your docs are comfortable seeing 10 patients, the fact that that is the average is not relevant if there are substantial periods where the census exceeds this. You need to support them in being very firm about what they are willing and able to cover as a maximum patient load. You can't let this become conflated with the issue of low summer volume. Our system has had to deal with major coverage issues over the last few years but the child docs just hold firm as to their limits and simply don't agree to see more patients than they feel comfortable.
 
They're just trying to push you guys around to see what they can get away with. Do they make the hospitalists physically be there to admit people on their floors at 6PM? (I bet not)
 
They're just trying to push you guys around to see what they can get away with. Do they make the hospitalists physically be there to admit people on their floors at 6PM? (I bet not)
Internal medicine is staffed 24/7, with a swing shift and nocturnist shift to handle admits all hours.
 
If the docs say no to the 6pm consults, what exactly is anybody in administration going to do about it? They can hem and haw all they want, but if there's no contractual or by-law requirement, it's all pretty toothless.

The unreasonable volume issue is much more challenging. Not sure you'll be able to get admin to buy into fixing that unless they realize it's an economic necessity for the sake of recruiting and retaining docs. It would be one thing to push back in the first place if they are trying to mandate higher volumes, but now that the horse is out of the barn it will be pretty difficult to force a change back to a lower cap.
 
Internal medicine is staffed 24/7, with a swing shift and nocturnist shift to handle admits all hours.

Are internists paid per shift or rvu or combo? It might be possible to find a child psychiatrist to work those shifts for the right $$ but I've never seen it. I'm seeing that they want child attendings who are in high demand to be available to work without guaranteed pay.

We all have fantasies.
 
Keep in mind the economics behind inpatient units. Doctor's fees are now nearly inconsequential compared to what the insurance company is paying the hospital for the bed. Hospitals generate their revenue by keeping beds as filled as possible which takes essentially two components: an accepting physician and a patient the insurance will cover to be in the bed. This hospital has an amazing setup for the MBAs by which they get all their bed's covered regardless of the census and do not have to pay the MDs as much when their census is low. Many other systems are either paying a salary for the MD + bonus for RVU or going over a patient cap, in such a set up this system is paying a doctor to see only a handful of patients a day over the summer and will thus need to recoup these summer loses with the other 3 quarters (and likely paying the docs extra during those busy times). This is doable in some systems based on negotiated insurance rates but also a big reason why running a purely CAP unit is so tough (some places shift these beds to other services like adult psych during the summer).

Since they already have the most hospital friendly set-up all that's left for administration do is hem and haw about standard MBA things like "patient satisfaction" which can be measured by how long after you got to the unit did a MD see you. I am actually kind of amazed they found 4 CAPs to do this in a rural location unless there is some particularly great RVU rate.
 
The amount of pay for the workload is downright robbery. If the CAPs have any good economic sense they would laugh and find a job elsewhere.
 
If you aren't willing to walk away from the job, the job owns you. Assert your demands in writing, and better yet, hire a lawyer to do it for you that it is a contract addendum - and without favorable terms by Date X, you will be sending in a resignation letter. Ideally get the other psychiatrists to do the same. Sadly, most states have collective bargaining / union rules against physician professionals, so each doctor will have to also hire the lawyer separately, too.

I've learned the only thing these hospital admins understand and respond to is a lawyer. Good old fashion conversations and hand shakes don't mean anything to them.
 
Top