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It's difficult to defend something when you're still highly skeptical. And I'd make the case that a good amount of 1st and 2nd year DO students are still skeptical of it.
Insight please! Especially from MSUCOM students...
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It's difficult to defend something when you're still highly skeptical. And I'd make the case that a good amount of 1st and 2nd year DO students are still skeptical of it.
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Disgusting of the school to protect sexual predators.
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Yes, I think we are talking about the same person.
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Larry has gotten away with this for decades, because he claimed he was practicing a form of OMM, that most D.O.'s don't learn or do. Putting his fingers inside the female genital organ. I have no idea of where he learned that. If you are in school, you will never even hear of it. But, MSU, AOA, USOC, law enforcement, and others defended him or were tricked by Larry, because they thought he was just doing a procedure. Larry may still be doing this, if he wasn't arrested for child pornography. Larry isn't remorseful. Based on the first judge's sentencing, he is doing OMM in prison, and he is asking for leniency based on this. Suing the Los Angeles Times won't fix it. The public has already passed judgement. That isn't good for us.
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former dean is getting fired.... Michigan State to fire former medical dean over Larry Nassar scandal
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Who exactly are "spouting" off things "casually"? Not only that, but you seem to suggest that somehow the students are part of a cover-up, which is stupidly false and ridiculous.
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Former dean has been arrested for a felony...
Court records: Former MSU dean William Strampel sexually harassed students, had pornography on university computer
Court records: Former MSU dean William Strampel sexually harassed students, had pornography on university computer
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I feel really bad for the students and faculty at MSUCOM. But I officially lost all respect for the school and the administration after all these events.
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Yeah, it ****ing sucks (although whatever I feel cannot remotely compare to the pain and damage done to those by Nassar and those who were complicit in all of this). I found about Strampel's arrest watching the news last night like the rest of you.
I have hope that Amalfitano and co. can soon restore faith and trust in the school's administration. The school has taken a hit, but I can guarantee you that all of the students, many of the faculty, and the many great docs who've graduated from here are committed to making sure this never happens again.
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Unfortunately, we're talking 15 years worth of massive, humiliating damage inflicted by Strampel's malicious leadership. It's likely going to take a long time to clean up the mess and repair the reputation.
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Honestly, why isn’t this schools accreditation on the line? Who knows how many people this dean hired and/or surrounded himself with who are doing similar things. MSU would be smart to just merge the DO program with their MD school and be rid of this mess.
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For sure. Actions do more more talking than words, so hopefully MSU, not just the medical school alone but the entire institution, will aim to do the right things in the future. And all of us students/grads/faculty will continue working hard and being good (would-be)physicians who'll do the right thing, so we can show that dinguses like Nassar and Strample don't represent who we really are.
Well, I certainly hope that doesn't happen. The investigation is still ongoing, so hopefully anyone else revealed to have been complicit in any of this is removed.
Don't know how that would even work (the schools have completely separate curriculums and different locations too), and can't imagine that happening.
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Let the incoming DO class graduate and then hand over all resources to the MD program. Nassar was unforgivable, but to have high level administration actively participating in the abuse (this dean had videos of Nassar treating young women on his computer) is absolutley a serious enough scandal to consider shutting the whole thing down.
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How will AOA and COCA respond to this? Will they slam MSUCOM with massive penalties? Or even put the school in probation?
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Im proud of the way the MSU student body responded to the Nassar situition, and I’m ecstatic about our new interm-dean and the way MSUCOM is handling moving forward. The student body of the unviersity as a whole has shown so much support and compassion for the survivors as well as being extremely public and upfront with the change they want to see that I am very much so proud of how the students of MSU as a whole are reacting.
But id be lying if some days i didnt feel ashamed to wear my MSU stuff around. Its a god da** shame that a handful of horrible horrible people in power can bring down an entire universities reputation. The more i find out, the more disgusted I am. But it’s also a god da** shame these people can get into positions of power and maintain that position for so long while doing such horrible things.
Change is needed, and change is happening.
I just hope something like this never ever happens again.
But id be lying if some days i didnt feel ashamed to wear my MSU stuff around. Its a god da** shame that a handful of horrible horrible people in power can bring down an entire universities reputation. The more i find out, the more disgusted I am. But it’s also a god da** shame these people can get into positions of power and maintain that position for so long while doing such horrible things.
Change is needed, and change is happening.
I just hope something like this never ever happens again.
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This. As much as it hurts to see the reputation of the school fall, I still have too many (personal) reasons to be there this coming semester. As scary is the future looks at MSU, it's important to remember that fire creates fertile soil. I am glad everything came out because problems can now be addressed. Hopefully, MSUCOM can now take the proper corrective steps to ensure the safety of its students and find a way to grow better from this tragedy.
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Hey everyone, said some stuff earlier about Strampel that came out wrong (NK quoted the gist of it) and I just want to say that I don’t think anyone should or actually thinks any student is at all responsible for this. I know it’s an obvious statement but it’s important to keep in mind.
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It just keeps getting worse. Former MSU students say William Strampel had a history of lewd behavior
William Strampel began a meeting in the spring of 2010 by announcing that he’d been told he wasn’t allowed to refer to students in the Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine as his children anymore.
“Except Breanna’s baby,” Strampel said, indicating Bre O’Keefe, a medical student who was then seven months pregnant. “That’s my kid.”
That’s how O’Keefe remembers it. She calls it “one of the most humiliating moments of my life.” Strampel was the dean of the college. Several classmates asked her if what he said was true. It wasn't.
To make matters worse, the meeting was also telecast to the college's satellite sites across the state, she recalled.
“Except Breanna’s baby,” Strampel said, indicating Bre O’Keefe, a medical student who was then seven months pregnant. “That’s my kid.”
That’s how O’Keefe remembers it. She calls it “one of the most humiliating moments of my life.” Strampel was the dean of the college. Several classmates asked her if what he said was true. It wasn't.
To make matters worse, the meeting was also telecast to the college's satellite sites across the state, she recalled.
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No one replied to this comment, and I think it's important to address. Intravaginal release techniques are a real treatment. I don't know if they are taught at most DO schools, or at what point in the curriculum, but I would think it would be taught in a similar way as vaginal exams are. They are used a lot to treat dyspareunia and incontinence. Physicians I have seen use this treatment discuss it fully with the patient and gain their consent beforehand, and perform the treatment always with a medical professional chaperone in the room. Especially in cases of dyspareunia, the doc will explain to the patient how to perform the treatment on themselves or have a partner do so.
It's unfortunate that Nassar chose such a treatment that has truly been helpful to so many women for abuse. But it does outline the issue of how docs are increasingly requesting medical professional chaperones during exams involving intimate parts of the body, and why schools (at least my school) are hammering students on professional touch, only revealing as much skin as necessary, etc.
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You will never learn this technique in school.
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I heard rumors that in the 70's med students would learn pelvic/testicular/rectal exams by practicing on each other under full supervision of instructors?
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Lol this is true for pretty much every DO school back in the day. It's not specific to MSUCOM. Hell, even my MD professors talk about how they had to perform rectal and vaginal exams on each other vs today where we have standardized patients/mannequins.
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So I guess the stories were true! My mind is literally turned into scrambled eggs just thinking what this would be like in a 2018 med school curriculum --- the Day of Dread when everyone in class gets to see, smell, rub and poke each other's junk!
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Court records: Former MSU dean William Strampel sexually harassed students, had pornography on university computer[/QUOTE]
This is my opinion. In the future, this is why they will say this school had to close.
This is my opinion. In the future, this is why they will say this school had to close.
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