Institutional Action... Should I even bother applying?

[Squamous Eddie]

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Lmao I can just see the next SDN thread

''I got an IA for using youtube to MP3, is it even worth applying?''
''You're done for at MD. Start a non-profit for getting affordable music to the poor and apply DO in six years''

"Would you want to be treated by a doctor that acquires music illegally? It smacks of entitlement, dishonesty, and disregard for the law, not to mention shortchanges struggling music artists. If they're stealing music, what's to stop them from stealing drugs from the hospital? Or downloading a car?"

This forum is ridiculous, sometimes. Lots of people happy to judge each other and make projections on what ****ty doctors they'll be.

Anyway, OP, the sad reality is that now that your moral fiber has been called into question, no matter how minor the offense might seem, you've gotta earn it back. Your career's definitely not finished. If you really want to enter medicine, just prove you're better than this and reapply in a few years. The idea isn't that you messed up, but that there are hundreds or thousands of applicants who didn't. Sucks, but that's how it crumbles, I guess. Definitely engage in community service and further medical volunteering, work hard in your pharm program, and if you're not happy with pharm, apply MD a few years down the road. Good luck!

 

[Disposable_Acct]

For what it's worth, I had a theft charge (from the police, not the school) and I've gotten into 4 schools so far this year. I'm hardly a year removed from the incident, and in my honest opinion my situation was worse than OP's. Don't take people here too seriously, OP. It's easy to be high an mighty on the internet.

 

[Oh_Gee]

Famous last words.

I have a friend who is in the app process right now and was cited for "public intoxication" two weeks ago. Over 21, but fell (broke her shoe) coming out of a popular off-campus bar, and a cop saw it and hauled her in. She is mortified. She has an otherwise "goody two shoes" background, top stats, and now fears that this will blow up in her face. Hired an atty, got the charges dropped, but now the school is making a big deal, and removed her from an important internship she had.

The adcoms on this forum can't remind college students enough to be careful.

just for falling? i don't understand cops. wasn't it obvious her shoe broke

"Would you want to be treated by a doctor that acquires music illegally? It smacks of entitlement, dishonesty, and disregard for the law, not to mention shortchanges struggling music artists. If they're stealing music, what's to stop them from stealing drugs from the hospital? Or downloading a car?"

This forum is ridiculous, sometimes. Lots of people happy to judge each other and make projections on what ****ty doctors they'll be.

Anyway, OP, the sad reality is that now that your moral fiber has been called into question, no matter how minor the offense might seem, you've gotta earn it back. Your career's definitely not finished. If you really want to enter medicine, just prove you're better than this and reapply in a few years. The idea isn't that you messed up, but that there are hundreds or thousands of applicants who didn't. Sucks, but that's how it crumbles, I guess. Definitely engage in community service and further medical volunteering, work hard in your pharm program, and if you're not happy with pharm, apply MD a few years down the road. Good luck!

well, with 3d printing, you'll soon be able to download cars. hell, you can probz do it now

For what it's worth, I had a theft charge (from the police, not the school) and I've gotten into 4 schools so far this year. I'm hardly a year removed from the incident, and in my honest opinion my situation was worse than OP's. Don't take people here too seriously, OP. It's easy to be high an mighty on the internet.

what was the value of the thing you stole if you don't mind me asking

 

[Disposable_Acct]

About $200-300, but it was more of a joke/prank compared to a shoplifting situation. My lawyer thought it was funny, as have some of my interviewers.

 

[deleted647690]

About $200-300, but it was more of a joke/prank compared to a shoplifting situation. My lawyer thought it was funny, as have some of my interviewers.

What was it a giant banana peel or something?

 

[SOMBound13]

About $200-300, but it was more of a joke/prank compared to a shoplifting situation. My lawyer thought it was funny, as have some of my interviewers.

Was this a store or restaurant sign? or a school's mascot? or a street sign?

 

[Oh_Gee]

About $200-300, but it was more of a joke/prank compared to a shoplifting situation. My lawyer thought it was funny, as have some of my interviewers.

is that considered a misdemeanor?

 

[Disposable_Acct]

is that considered a misdemeanor?

Yes, it was considered a misdemeanor. I forgot what the dollar-value cutoff is for misdemeanor theft, but the value was deemed below that. In the interest of anonymity I won't say what the thing was.

 

[TBV]

You know how many doctors break the rules everyday. Jeez, there's a big difference between parking and medicine.

Yeah but the whole job of an adcom is to take limited data on your app and extrapolate your success/failure in the curriculum & as a physician with their name on your wall. Unfortunately this data point is in the wrong direction.

 

[Affiche]

Yeah but the whole job of an adcom is to take limited data on your app and extrapolate your success/failure in the curriculum & as a physician with their name on your wall. Unfortunately this data point is in the wrong direction.

Unfortunately it seems as though adcoms operate under the slippery slope fallacy and make extrapolation errors when presented with limited data. I bet this is why Vermont asks how many speeding tickets you have lol.

 

[Goro]

Keep in mind that this can be a comparative and competitive process. Meaning, as in sports and war, those who make the fewest mistakes win.

Why accept someone with an eyebrow raising flaw, when there are tons of candidates who lack said flaws?

Unfortunately it seems as though adcoms operate under the slippery slope fallacy and make extrapolation errors when presented with limited data. I bet this is why Vermont asks how many speeding tickets you have lol.

 

[Affiche]

Keep in mind that this can be a comparative and competitive process. Meaning, as in sports and war, those who make the fewest mistakes win.

Why accept someone with an eyebrow raising flaw, when there are tons of candidates who lack said flaws?

Because sometimes it's a singular mistake rather than an inherent flaw, and why exclude someone who's more than capable of succeeding because of a mistake that's irrelevant to their potential? I know you won't agree with me on this, but physicians aren't the flawless characters that adcoms make them out to be and scrutinizing every mistake a pre-med makes doesn't make much sense to me, especially when it's something as stupid as parking.

 

[mimelim]

Because sometimes it's a singular mistake rather than an inherent flaw, and why exclude someone who's more than capable of succeeding because of a mistake that's irrelevant to their potential? I know you won't agree with me on this, but physicians aren't the flawless characters that adcoms make them out to be and scrutinizing every mistake a pre-med makes doesn't make much sense to me, especially when it's something as stupid as parking.

#1 Please link to where anyone has said that physicians are flawless characters.
#2 The issue has nothing to do with parking. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.
#3 This may be a reflection of their character, or it may not. But, even a single incident is a risk factor for future problems. If you don't understand this, I don't know what to tell you.
#4 There are plenty of pre-meds that have IAs that get into medical school. Their upside outweighs their risk. But, not considering this in the equation would be idiotic.
#5 Physicians are humans. They make mistakes. There are also plenty that barely qualify as a decent human being. This type of behavior makes you a worse candidate compared to the vast majority of others because you have demonstrated a certain willingness to be "less moral". Again, if you can't understand this, I don't really know what to tell you.

 

[Affiche]

#1 Please link to where anyone has said that physicians are flawless characters.
#2 The issue has nothing to do with parking. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.
#3 This may be a reflection of their character, or it may not. But, even a single incident is a risk factor for future problems. If you don't understand this, I don't know what to tell you.
#4 There are plenty of pre-meds that have IAs that get into medical school. Their upside outweighs their risk. But, not considering this in the equation would be idiotic.
#5 Physicians are humans. They make mistakes. There are also plenty that barely qualify as a decent human being. This type of behavior makes you a worse candidate compared to the vast majority of others because you have demonstrated a certain willingness to be "less moral". Again, if you can't understand this, I don't really know what to tell you.

Lol I don't misunderstand you I just disagree with you. Not all infractions are of the same level of severity and I think a few of us literally LOL'ed when OP was told there are few things worse than making a fake parking pass.

 

[mimelim]

Lol I don't misunderstand you I just disagree with you. Not all infractions are of the same level of severity and I think a few of us literally LOL'ed when OP was told there are few things worse than making a fake parking pass.

You seem to be fond of making things up. Again, quote where anyone said "few things worse than making a fake parking pass". Still waiting for you to quote or link where anyone has said that "physicians are flawless characters".

The specific words that I used here were in direct response to, "There are worse things to get an IA for." and I said, "There are worse things, but not that many. This is one of the more severe ones. This kind of thing can't be chalked up to "stupid things many college students do". This is willful attempt to defraud." The short way of paraphrasing what I said was "There are worse things to get an IA for, but not that many."

How many IAs have you dealt with? How many have you seen on an application? You "disagree" that this is on the worse end of IAs, when you have zero exposure or experience with them. This is about evaluating a spectrum of IAs and trying to relay that to someone.

Again, if you make **** up left and right, of course you are going to be right all the time, just ask Donald Trump. If you ground yourself in reality, things look very different.

 

[jl lin]

I guess I am trying to understand why the OP did this in the first place.

And OP, anything with identifying numbers goes into a computer system. So the old numbers would read expired. Wouldn't be that hard to discover. Seems like a lot of trouble for something for which we all must contend. Parking is a PITA in many places. What are you going to do? Fake pass or ticket through all the times parking is a problem? God forbid you ever work in a big city.

Do you know how easily an altered or fake electronic toll collection tag would be to id?
This is the kind of technology we have today EVERYWHERE.
Yea, it freaks me out too--from an Orwellian, 1984, perspective. I also think a lot of these tolls and parking fees are outlandish, but still. Come on.

TBH, the only way to try to move past this one is to admit youthful stupidity and perhaps cry desperate, near-indigence. But even then, yea, b/c you intentionally went through all this trouble to defraud, it looks really bad.

Why? Just why?

 

[Affiche]

You seem to be fond of making things up. Again, quote where anyone said "few things worse than making a fake parking pass". Still waiting for you to quote or link where anyone has said that "physicians are flawless characters".

The specific words that I used here were in direct response to, "There are worse things to get an IA for." and I said, "There are worse things, but not that many. This is one of the more severe ones. This kind of thing can't be chalked up to "stupid things many college students do". This is willful attempt to defraud." The short way of paraphrasing what I said was "There are worse things to get an IA for, but not that many."

How many IAs have you dealt with? How many have you seen on an application? You "disagree" that this is on the worse end of IAs, when you have zero exposure or experience with them. This is about evaluating a spectrum of IAs and trying to relay that to someone.

Again, if you make **** up left and right, of course you are going to be right all the time, just ask Donald Trump. If you ground yourself in reality, things look very different.

#1. I didn't link you to anything because I wasn't referencing a direct quote, but rather the prevailing attitude on SDN that pre-meds must have flawless records or else they'll become dishonest physicians, which is a ridiculous notion that banks on the slippery slop fallacy. Being a physician is just a job, yet applicants are held to a higher level scrutiny than any other graduate or professional school, as if being a physician requires moral superiority over nurses, lawyers, etc.
#2. You can disagree with me without getting defensive or condescending. The severity of willful intent to defraud is context dependent. Faking a parking pass? Whatever, lol. Faking someone's signature to benefit yourself, putting them at risk? Pretty severe. Not all infractions are the same. This was a pretty victimless crime so yeah, I still think it's silly and an exaggeration to say this was one of the more severe IAs, but that's just me, and I already prefaced my previous post by stating that an adcom would disagree with me.

 

[Affiche]

How many IAs have you dealt with? How many have you seen on an application? You "disagree" that this is on the worse end of IAs, when you have zero exposure or experience with them. This is about evaluating a spectrum of IAs and trying to relay that to someone.

And FYI, I was the student president of my school's academic integrity board so I spent three years with my dean issuing IAs, and I can tell you that this is not even close to one of the more severe ones. Maybe the most severe IAs self-select out of applying so you aren't exposed to them, but this is pretty moderate on the severity scale.

 

[Lawpy]

Lmao I can just see the next SDN thread

''I got an IA for using youtube to MP3, is it even worth applying?''
''You're done for at MD. Start a non-profit for getting affordable music to the poor and apply DO in six years''

"Would you want to be treated by a doctor that acquires music illegally? It smacks of entitlement, dishonesty, and disregard for the law, not to mention shortchanges struggling music artists. If they're stealing music, what's to stop them from stealing drugs from the hospital? Or downloading a car?"

This forum is ridiculous, sometimes. Lots of people happy to judge each other and make projections on what ****ty doctors they'll be.

Anyway, OP, the sad reality is that now that your moral fiber has been called into question, no matter how minor the offense might seem, you've gotta earn it back. Your career's definitely not finished. If you really want to enter medicine, just prove you're better than this and reapply in a few years. The idea isn't that you messed up, but that there are hundreds or thousands of applicants who didn't. Sucks, but that's how it crumbles, I guess. Definitely engage in community service and further medical volunteering, work hard in your pharm program, and if you're not happy with pharm, apply MD a few years down the road. Good luck!

SDN is clearly severely skewed and exaggerated to the extreme ends, especially in the issue pertaining to IAs. It's a tragic aspect that contributes to the SDN tunnel vision that many here (including myself) are suffering (aside from the usual neuroticism).

With that being said, I'm a little curious about OP's scenario and the responses given here:

I think from a strictly adcom POV, which matters since we're applying to medical school here, @mimelim @gyngyn and others are probably accurate to say that the act of faking a parking pass is fraudulent and is a red flag. I mean, yes, it's an extremely small sample size, but that's the case for any adcoms here who are contributing to the forums.

However, in a general POV, it's probably not all that significant especially when compared to all other crimes. Although I am a bit surprised to see that faking a parking pass, while a red flag, is severe enough that there are only few IAs worse than that. That seems a bit off, since pretty sure that the obvious malicious acts like hacking computers for grade changes and cheating are far more severe (and pervasive too).

But a question to the adcoms since I'm curious about IA severity: would torrenting a textbook over a school wifi be a red flag IA?

 

[Affiche]

That seems a bit off, since pretty sure that the obvious malicious acts like hacking computers for grade changes and cheating are far more severe (and pervasive too).

While wrong, I wouldn't even consider these malicious or the most severe. The most severe ones, imo, are the truly malicious ones where there was intended harm to another human being, which includes physical assault, sexual assault, bullying, racial slurs or discrimination, stealing from another student, etc that resulted in action by the institution.

 

[Lawpy]

While wrong, I wouldn't even consider these malicious or the most severe. The most severe ones, imo, are the truly malicious ones where there was intended harm to another human being, which includes physical assault, sexual assault, bullying, stealing from another student, etc. that resulted in action by the institution.

Just few examples since apparently the severe IAs listed on SDN are entirely academic. You hardly see sexual assault or murder IAs being listed on SDN for obvious reasons.

 

[Affiche]

Just few examples since apparently the severe IAs listed on SDN are entirely academic. You hardly see sexual assault or murder IAs being listed on SDN for obvious reasons.

Wasn't there a thread a few months back about a domestic dispute on campus resulting in an IA?

 

[Lawpy]

Wasn't there a thread a few months back about a domestic dispute on campus resulting in an IA?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/domestic-disturbance-violence-ia.1173155/

@Tired raises a valid question

Hey @mimelim - is this better or worse than the forged parking pass? 😉

 

[Goro]

You and Tired made me bellow out loud with laughter on that one!

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/domestic-disturbance-violence-ia.1173155/
@Tired raises a valid question

And @Affiche and @mimelim, you're two of my favorite SDNers, so play nice!

 

[Affiche]

You and Tired made me bellow out loud with laughter on that one!




And @Affiche and @mimelim, you're two of my favorite SDNers, so play nice!

I think my posts were pretty tame in comparison, no?

 

[Goro]

I am so NOT stepping into this catfight!

I think my posts were pretty tame in comparison, no?

 

[DoReMiFaSo]

I am so NOT stepping into this catfight!

LOL!! I just had an exam in school. It went well ^_^ Came home and started browsing SDN for some relaxing bit of neuroticism. Came across this strange IA-evolving-into-I-don't-even-know thread... I just imagine @Goro as a cat slinking away from this back and forth lolol... I wish there's always an amusing thread waiting for me after finals.. ^_^

 

[jl lin]

I think what is disturbing was that the OP's intent was clear, required pre-meditation to defraud, and as such, this brings into serious question the OP's judgment and character, for now he has shown a proven premeditation to defraud.

It's not whether it was victimless crime or not, which, in reality, stealing isn't. It's that the IA shows clear intent of poor judgment and character.

For me, if this was the student's first offense, I would have given him a higher fine, school-based community service, and a warning re: next offense goes to a permanent IA record; but I am not at the school making this decision. And now it is impossible for OP to rid himself/herself of this IA and the fact that it took forethought and planning to defraud. It's not like the other person's IA thread, where in a fit a intense human passion, the OP took his GF's cell phone, and she overreacted, and he now has to deal w/ an arrest record and such. The difference in perception has to do with INTENT.

OP, you will probably have to give this some space in terms of time, and show over the next several years that you are now an unquestionably upstanding individual, as well as do everything else that is required to be a good applicant. You will not be able to get the school to make this disappear, unless you know someone with deep pockets, who might be able to "help" you. Creepy and rare, but we all know that such situations exist, and that's why we get upset when we see many individuals taking harsh penalties and making restitution, while others seem to get away w/ a lot--at least for a while, but the better person may well become the one that accepts his/her wrongdoing, takes the penalty, makes restitution, and grows from it.

Do things to show you own your wrong, and start working on things that show you genuinely care about making restitution, even if it means tutoring students at the school for free or whatever. Sincere sorrow and genuine community service acts will go a long way to showing a serious turnaround. You stole, so make it right.

 

[Oh_Gee]

And FYI, I was the student president of my school's academic integrity board so I spent three years with my dean issuing IAs, and I can tell you that this is not even close to one of the more severe ones. Maybe the most severe IAs self-select out of applying so you aren't exposed to them, but this is pretty moderate on the severity scale.

Any that you can talk about?

 

[El-Rami]

Since we are already discussing various ways students get IAs, I might as well ask this here. Someone was expelled or suspended for an IA at a private religious university for honor code violations such as coffee consumption, masturbation, and fornication after being found to have repeatedly lied to a religious leader about the offenses. Let's also say that the student lied in the first place because he or she knew that that they would get suspended or kicked out if they "confessed their sins" to the religious leader, whom they are obligated to meet with periodically in order to remain a student. Would this prevent someone getting into a [secular] medical school?

 

[Goro]

My answer is that I am so stealing this for an interview question!

Since we are already discussing various ways students get IAs, I might as well ask this here. Someone was expelled or suspended for an IA at a private religious university for honor code violations such as coffee consumption, masturbation, and fornication after being found to have repeatedly lied to a religious leader about the offenses. Let's also say that the student lied in the first place because he or she knew that that they would get suspended or kicked out if they "confessed their sins" to the religious leader, whom they are obligated to meet with periodically in order to remain a student. Would this prevent someone getting into a [secular] medical school?

 

[jl lin]

Since we are already discussing various ways students get IAs, I might as well ask this here. Someone was expelled or suspended for an IA at a private religious university for honor code violations such as coffee consumption, masturbation, and fornication after being found to have repeatedly lied to a religious leader about the offenses. Let's also say that the student lied in the first place because he or she knew that that they would get suspended or kicked out if they "confessed their sins" to the religious leader, whom they are obligated to meet with periodically in order to remain a student. Would this prevent someone getting into a [secular] medical school?

What utter rubbish. Nice hypothetical, which you are trying to sell as real. What a smear campaign. 🙄 You just have to love the Internet.

 

[Affiche]

Any that you can talk about?

Are you asking if I'm willing to discuss it or if I'm breaching confidentiality by discussing it?

 

[Affiche]

My answer is that I am so stealing this for an interview question!

You know my answer but I'm quite the deviant by SDN standards lol

 

[lalex]

Saw a doctor park his Mercedes in the handicap spot at the mall. Who can I contact about getting his medical license revoked?

 

[Planes2Doc]

Since we are already discussing various ways students get IAs, I might as well ask this here. Someone was expelled or suspended for an IA at a private religious university for honor code violations such as coffee consumption, masturbation, and fornication after being found to have repeatedly lied to a religious leader about the offenses. Let's also say that the student lied in the first place because he or she knew that that they would get suspended or kicked out if they "confessed their sins" to the religious leader, whom they are obligated to meet with periodically in order to remain a student. Would this prevent someone getting into a [secular] medical school?

It's all relative... Different rules for different folks. For some of secular people here, we can laugh at it. For those who are very religious, they take this very seriously. I know quite a few Orthodox Jews personally that take these things very seriously.

 

[VagabondKing]

Having your moral integrity questioned by Adcoms would put a big red flag on your application.

As someone pointed out, the OP was blatantly fraudulent. Now showing this type of behavior makes me suspicious of his past/future actions. Will he do it again? Has he done it before? I don't know but now I wouldn't trust him(just based on what's on paper) and have no reason to pick him over the 1000s of other applicants that don't have such a blemish on their record.

Also know your place in your career path. You are not a physician or resident or medical student, you are a pre-med applicant competing against a huge pool of qualified applicants. Adcoms scrutinize everything to thin this pool out. You are not held to the same standard as your accounting buddy that can get misdemeanors and still keep their locked down position at a Fortune 500 company. (True story) Some minor offense later in your career might result in a slap on the wrist, but the same offense now might close some doors for you.

Also why are you in pharm school and switching over? That might be a flag too, in your situation I'd just finish pharm school and live on a solid PharmD salary.

 

[meeninit]

Thanks to everyone who posted. It does help to put things into perspective and I didn't take any offense to any opinion posted. I like it when I read third-party opinions that are often first impressions or well-thought out POVs that are ultimately connected with the first impression upon hearing the nature of the case.

First impressions matter. Cliche, because it's true... in the real world judging happens when it's you vs 3k students competing for 150 spots. Easier to sift through.


I have one last question: do PhD programs ask about institutional action/university conduct violations?

 

[pageantry]

What utter rubbish. Nice hypothetical, which you are trying to sell as real. What a smear campaign. 🙄 You just have to love the Internet.

No no this actually happened to me, or close to it. Except I only lied during the first semester. After that, I simply refused to sign the religious school's draconian honor code--because everyone in the school was secretly violating it. What I had to report (to one school which asked in the secondary) is that I was nearly expelled for not signing.

So on the one hand, I didn't lie to my religious authority for very long, in that scenario.

But on the other hand, one might take this scenario to mean that I could be, perhaps, a bit difficult.

But! to perhaps add a data point toward the original question, I did get an II. Tell the whole truth. Some people won't get it. But a lot of people really do understand that growing up in an intense religious environment can be a complicated situation to transcend.

 

[mock94]

Sorry to hear OP.... is it really worth it for you to take the MCAT and do the hordes of other stuff that pre-meds have to do when you'll be getting a Pharm.D anyway?

Just my $0.02, but you're better off focusing on your pharmacy career. If you're interested in patient interaction, look at ambulatory care pharmacy.

 

[meeninit]

I'm the OP of this post. I'm posting this because I'm a loser with no friends and come from a culture where it's frowned upon to talk about emotions, even with parents.

Ever since this incident in December 2015 I've been depressed beyond measure. Last year around this time I was making plans to switch into medicine after obtaining my PharmD and was very optimistic. I got a research position at my university and was generally happy.
Now every day this incident comes to mind and it leaves me down an endless spiral of negativity. I didn't even get a pharmacy internship this past summer because I did not even care for it, nihilism and depression was the name of the game. Thankfully I have a 3.78 gpa in pharmacy school so far, but without any internships my chances at getting a job are slim. I don't even want to enter the mundane profession of pharmacy, the thought of doing grunt work over and over again kills me.
Today I had a genuine desire to end my life, thankfully I convinced myself that it would be devastating to my family if I did so.

I was never this depressed. Ever. And I can't believe something like the shutting of the doors to my medical school dream can bring on this tragic experience.

Moral of the story: if it sounds wrong, just don't do it. Pay the $400.

Thanks for reading

 

[TheBiologist]

I would not think this would hurt your medical career in any way, and if it does, we live in a weird society...

 

[TBV]

I'm the OP of this post. I'm posting this because I'm a loser with no friends and come from a culture where it's frowned upon to talk about emotions, even with parents.

Ever since this incident in December 2015 I've been depressed beyond measure. Last year around this time I was making plans to switch into medicine after obtaining my PharmD and was very optimistic. I got a research position at my university and was generally happy.
Now every day this incident comes to mind and it leaves me down an endless spiral of negativity. I didn't even get a pharmacy internship this past summer because I did not even care for it, nihilism and depression was the name of the game. Thankfully I have a 3.78 gpa in pharmacy school so far, but without any internships my chances at getting a job are slim. I don't even want to enter the mundane profession of pharmacy, the thought of doing grunt work over and over again kills me.
Today I had a genuine desire to end my life, thankfully I convinced myself that it would be devastating to my family if I did so.

I was never this depressed. Ever. And I can't believe something like the shutting of the doors to my medical school dream can bring on this tragic experience.

Moral of the story: if it sounds wrong, just don't do it. Pay the $400.

Thanks for reading

Damn son get help like yesterday

 

[aalamruad]

I'm the OP of this post. I'm posting this because I'm a loser with no friends and come from a culture where it's frowned upon to talk about emotions, even with parents.

Ever since this incident in December 2015 I've been depressed beyond measure. Last year around this time I was making plans to switch into medicine after obtaining my PharmD and was very optimistic. I got a research position at my university and was generally happy.
Now every day this incident comes to mind and it leaves me down an endless spiral of negativity. I didn't even get a pharmacy internship this past summer because I did not even care for it, nihilism and depression was the name of the game. Thankfully I have a 3.78 gpa in pharmacy school so far, but without any internships my chances at getting a job are slim. I don't even want to enter the mundane profession of pharmacy, the thought of doing grunt work over and over again kills me.
Today I had a genuine desire to end my life, thankfully I convinced myself that it would be devastating to my family if I did so.

I was never this depressed. Ever. And I can't believe something like the shutting of the doors to my medical school dream can bring on this tragic experience.

Moral of the story: if it sounds wrong, just don't do it. Pay the $400.

Thanks for reading

@WedgeDawg

 

[MetaGenomics1]

Jeez, I can't believe the parking attendant went through the effort of checking your permit, taking the effort to fine you, then report you. And I still cant believe that warrants IA... especially when they already fined you..

As I said though, I've seen people here get II's with IA, it doesn't count you out, just be able to explain yourself, dont make excuses.

When I was working as a Teaching Associate, I qualified for a faculty parking permit which was $30 compared to the student price of $150. Since I was working for two separate departments (BIO and General Studies) I had two faculty parking applications so I used both and obtained 2 parking permits. I planned on selling the pass for $30 to my undergrad research assistant. Administration caught on, notified my employers and threatened me with monitoring and police activity. I never actually sold the pass so I just told them I lost the older one.

 

[anisole]

I'm the OP of this post. I'm posting this because I'm a loser with no friends and come from a culture where it's frowned upon to talk about emotions, even with parents.

Ever since this incident in December 2015 I've been depressed beyond measure. Last year around this time I was making plans to switch into medicine after obtaining my PharmD and was very optimistic. I got a research position at my university and was generally happy.
Now every day this incident comes to mind and it leaves me down an endless spiral of negativity. I didn't even get a pharmacy internship this past summer because I did not even care for it, nihilism and depression was the name of the game. Thankfully I have a 3.78 gpa in pharmacy school so far, but without any internships my chances at getting a job are slim. I don't even want to enter the mundane profession of pharmacy, the thought of doing grunt work over and over again kills me.
Today I had a genuine desire to end my life, thankfully I convinced myself that it would be devastating to my family if I did so.

I was never this depressed. Ever. And I can't believe something like the shutting of the doors to my medical school dream can bring on this tragic experience.

Moral of the story: if it sounds wrong, just don't do it. Pay the $400.

Thanks for reading

You can live an awesome life as a pharmacist! Please look at the bright side. You only finished your first year of pharmacy school, you have plenty of time to get an internship to get that post-grad job.

You're what, 21-22 years old? It's way too early to call it quits on anything. You can always apply later after years of experience as a pharmacist. Or maybe once you have a steady income as a pharmacist you'll find other hobbies. Trust me, making 6 figures while in your mid-twenties will be amazing. Doctors don't get to make that money until they're in their 30s.

Go see a therapist. I empathize with you coming from a background that shuns emotions (I'm Indian myself) and it definitely sucks. Just talking negatively around my parents yields cries for me to "be a man". Use your university Student Services, if they exist.

Stay happy my friend!

 

[abbie_toonie]

I'm the OP of this post. I'm posting this because I'm a loser with no friends and come from a culture where it's frowned upon to talk about emotions, even with parents.

Ever since this incident in December 2015 I've been depressed beyond measure. Last year around this time I was making plans to switch into medicine after obtaining my PharmD and was very optimistic. I got a research position at my university and was generally happy.
Now every day this incident comes to mind and it leaves me down an endless spiral of negativity. I didn't even get a pharmacy internship this past summer because I did not even care for it, nihilism and depression was the name of the game. Thankfully I have a 3.78 gpa in pharmacy school so far, but without any internships my chances at getting a job are slim. I don't even want to enter the mundane profession of pharmacy, the thought of doing grunt work over and over again kills me.
Today I had a genuine desire to end my life, thankfully I convinced myself that it would be devastating to my family if I did so.

I was never this depressed. Ever. And I can't believe something like the shutting of the doors to my medical school dream can bring on this tragic experience.

Moral of the story: if it sounds wrong, just don't do it. Pay the $400.

Thanks for reading

Wow... you have so much to work with and look forward to, you will be within the top 5-10% of money earners in the US, and you have a good pharmacy school gpa, and you still can't find a reason to be happy?

Something tells me you've always been a pessimist even before this IA.

Get help, please.

 

[WedgeDawg]

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