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Matte Kudesai

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There seems to be a major spike in the number of medical students wanting to do PSF's.

We have a few in our program and apparently a number of medical students are rotating through the path department as well.

Are any residents out there seeing similar trends?
 
Well, it's hard to make overall general trends out of a one to two year increase in interest, but it does seem to be increasingly popular. Whether this is a normal cyclical variation or not I guess remains to be seen. It appears to be a real change to me though.

I am not totally sure about med students rotating through the department being a huge sign though - med students at some schools often pick path rotations as one of their lighter months.

But I know at UMass this year, where I just graduated, they had more interest in the PSF than in the past few years.

Plus, there are all these medicine and surgery residents switching into path! What's up with that? Wha' happened? Actually, we all know wha' happened. They have seen the light!
 
yaah said:
Plus, there are all these medicine and surgery residents switching into path! What's up with that? Wha' happened? Actually, we all know wha' happened. They have seen the light!

Amen! Alleluia! The people have been saaaave-dah!
 
I met a neurosurgery resident and an ortho resident that both switched to pathology. I think they both felt that an academic career in pathology is more doable.

The medical students that I have seen in rotations actually are showing quite a bit of interest and not using it as a blow off elective.

I have also been impressed with the caliber of students showing interest.

It seems that they are more mature and less competitive although very bright.
 
Matte Kudesai said:
I met a neurosurgery resident and an ortho resident that both switched to pathology. I think they both felt that an academic career in pathology is more doable.

The medical students that I have seen in rotations actually are showing quite a bit of interest and not using it as a blow off elective.

I have also been impressed with the caliber of students showing interest.

It seems that they are more mature and less competetive although very bright.

One doesn't have to be competitive to be seen as bright or vice versa. Many people who are overly competitive have "tunnel vision"; all they care about is achievement and cannot look at the big picture in life.

I am also impressed with the caliber of people at Michigan who are going into path. They have good board scores so obviously they're pretty gifted. However, they are not jerks and are very down to earth, laid back people.

And there are plenty of people who are very competitive, brown-nose a lot, but are in fact simple-minded people.
 
ANY specialty that offers big buck, a nice lifestyle, or both----

Big Bucks:

Anesthesia
ORtho
Rads

Nice Lifestyle:

PM&R
Pathology
ER

Nice lifestyle but crappy pay:

FP
Peds

Both nice lifestyle and big bucks:
Derm
Rad Onc

Nice lifestyle but don't have to kill your neighbor to get a spot (i.e.shouldn't be a mornon but don't necessarily have to have top board scores,and be in top 5% of your class), makes more money than FP and Peds but not as much as Derm, gas, or rads:
PATHOLOGY
PM&R

Enough said!!!!!
 
How can you say that FP has a nice lifestyle? The FPs I know work their butts off, get called in the middle of the night, have to do hospital rounds on the weekend, work holidays, not to mention getting to the office early and staying late.

I do agree about the crappy pay though, on average.
 
I agree with stormjen. My impression is that FPs and pediatricians deal with the most crap for the least amount of pay.
 
FP is as busy as you want it to be. I know many FP's in my area that have hospitalist see their patients while admitted. What that means in 9-5 office hours , monday-friday only!!!

Okay now this is an FP discussion on a path board, but I do agree that if an FP wants to "do it all", rounds, hospital admissions, OB, procedures, etc., they can be extrememly busy. However, I do think that it is one specialty where you do not have to do all of the above said things if you really don't want to and can get by with a nice lifestyle, its just that you won't make us much money as your peers.

Think about it this way, if you work in your office 60 hours per week, do not office procedure, do not OB, and have hospitalist do admissions and take care of your patients in the hospital, its not such a bad lifestlye.
 
bustbones26 said:
Okay now this is an FP discussion on a path board,

this is a very good point. there shall be no more mention of FP on this board or yaah and matte will whip you with a stick...just kidding 😀
 
AndyMilonakis said:
this is a very good point. there shall be no more mention of FP on this board or yaah and matte will whip you with a stick...just kidding 😀

How quickly the smiley face whipping the formerly smiling smiley face becomes appropriate! I had considered myself to be the recipient during my clinical medicine, but now that we are pathologists we can be the whipper and the hanging face can be clinical medicine that we stomp on and make our bitch.
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I still love all of my clinical brethren, though - don't misinterpret me. I just pity them for having to be in the fields they are in.
 
yaah said:
How quickly the smiley face whipping the formerly smiling smiley face becomes appropriate! I had considered myself to be the recipient during my clinical medicine, but now that we are pathologists we can be the whipper and the hanging face can be clinical medicine that we stomp on and make our bitch.
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I still love all of my clinical brethren, though - don't misinterpret me. I just pity them for having to be in the fields they are in.

"stomp on and make our bitch" OMFG that's great!

Yeah! that's the kind of sh1t I'm talkin about !

oh btw, don't forget the clinical sista's
 
AndyMilonakis said:
"stomp on and make our bitch" OMFG that's great!

Yeah! that's the kind of sh1t I'm talkin about !

Push it over the edge!
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I'm not forgettin the sistas. Here to console them when they realize they were mistaken in their careers.
 
Hey Yaah
Where DID you get those emoticons?.....Man, you have a really WICKEDDD sense of humor...
:laugh: :laugh:

I almost split my sides watching those emoticons. Brought back a lot of painful memories too (Me getting whipped by a case sheet, IV line etc etc !!!!) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Quant
 
yeah guys, that's a pretty nifty site.

i gotta work on some presentation for morning report but instead, i'm gonna spend the next 15 minutes trying to find a smiley face laying a hot steaming dump.
 
AndyMilonakis said:
yeah guys, that's a pretty nifty site.

i gotta work on some presentation for morning report but instead, i'm gonna spend the next 15 minutes trying to find a smiley face laying a hot steaming dump.

There is that guy on the toilet. And the pukers.
Gross!
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Yeah I saw those ones...I guess I'll try to make a custom smiley face in the face of a brown turd. It'll be my special little Mr. Hankey.
 
Hey Andy
Get back to your report right away.....or else you ll land a hot steaming one for sure tommoz......
messing man....browse to your hearts content.....there is nothing more important in the world than spending quality time on the net. Medical reports and crap like that is for people who do not have an appreciation of life s simple pleasures....

:laugh:
Quant
 
So the morning report talk I have to prepare is like only supposed to be 10 minutes long. I pretty much had it finished in terms of textual content. But I want to make it pathology heavy by including pictures of gross specimens and histopathology slides. Just another passive-aggressive way of asserting my pathology-slant to clinical medicine.

OK so I'm doing this talk because the senior resident asked me to do it...not because I volunteered. However, now that I'm back to doing internal medicine again, I see M3's and M4's begging for homework assignments and begging to give presentations to the team. I now remember what I hated most about being a student on internal medicine...working with students who are trying to "step" or "bring it on" or whatever.

Here's my philosophy on all of that. I understand students want to do extra work so that they will "shine" in the eyes of residents and attendings. they will want to pick up extra patients above the cap limit. they will want to give presentations on esoteric medicine topics. etc etc etc. My thought to all of this is that this can end up screwing you over. If you do more work and take on more responsibilities, the bigger chance that you will **** up somewhere. And I think residents will remember the one ****up rather than the 9 extra crap that a student did. And your grade will always be the same as if you didn't do any extra work. I suppose doing the extra work will add a point on the enthusiasm scale and add some turd stains on one's nose.
 
Go Andy Go!!!!
Quant
 
Yeah, what's up with all that begging for extra work? If you want to learn something, learn about it! Don't worry about trying to prove it to the world. If you spend a couple of hours reading about diverticulitis you don't have to beg to do a presentation just so you can justify it. Geez I read about stuff all the time, because medicine is a huge field with an infinite amount of information to learn. Plus it's fascinating. But I don't come in in the morning with a presentation ready.

I had a bitter experience with this on my pedes rotation. I spent TONS of time reading and researching things during that elective. Always had articles on my clipboard, book chapters, etc. But at the end of the rotation, on my grade, it said that I "could have shown more interest in pediatrics" and "it would have been nice if you read some articles and brought them in." So, let me get this straight, the gunner who copies a generic journal article and gives copies to everyone despite barely reading it gets more credit for working hard then someone who reads that article but doesn't broadcast it? Yuck.
 
bustbones26 said:
FP is as busy as you want it to be. I know many FP's in my area that have hospitalist see their patients while admitted. What that means in 9-5 office hours , monday-friday only!!!

Okay now this is an FP discussion on a path board, but I do agree that if an FP wants to "do it all", rounds, hospital admissions, OB, procedures, etc., they can be extrememly busy. However, I do think that it is one specialty where you do not have to do all of the above said things if you really don't want to and can get by with a nice lifestyle, its just that you won't make us much money as your peers.

Think about it this way, if you work in your office 60 hours per week, do not office procedure, do not OB, and have hospitalist do admissions and take care of your patients in the hospital, its not such a bad lifestlye.


Actually, one should not think of "office hours" as all the work a FP (or Dermatologist or any clinical specialist for that matter) does. Remember that when a clinician is finished seeing a patient, they still have to document the visit in a chart. A specialist also must send a letter to the referring doc. And then there is the billing. Don't forget call, either. All of this adds up to alot of work that is done after hours. This contributes to the lifestyle experienced in these specialties.

I realize that students and residents don't factor stuff like that in because they don't see it. I am a pathologist. The only reason I see it is because my sig. other is a dermatologist. The lifestyle is not as "cushy" as most people think. There is actually a whole lot of extra work that is done outside of office hours.

In pathology (and rads, too), when your finished with a case, you're finished. That is what really makes path (and rads) much better lifestyle choices.

To play off of a previous post, lifestyle and bucks: Rads. Lifestyle and you don't have to have 99% on your boards, promise to give away your first born, or be really well connected: Path.
 
pathdawg said:
In pathology (and rads, too), when your finished with a case, you're finished. That is what really makes path (and rads) much better lifestyle choices.

To play off of a previous post, lifestyle and bucks: Rads. Lifestyle and you don't have to have 99% on your boards, promise to give away your first born, or be really well connected: Path.

And no intern year in path! Yeah baby yeah!

As people start to realize what we've been talking about in respect to path during previous posts, I expect path jump in competitiveness over the next few years...and rads will still be uber-competitive.
 
Yesterday we had our morning report with medical students, podiatry students, PSF's, residents, attendings....the room was stuffed with people who wanted to be there.

It was pretty impressive. There are 4 people from my program's medical school applying here next year for pathology.

The interest is unprecedented according to some of the people who have been watching these things over the years.
 
Matte Kudesai said:
Yesterday we had our morning report with medical students, podiatry students, PSF's, residents, attendings....the room was stuffed with people who wanted to be there.

It was pretty impressive. There are 4 people from my program's medical school applying here next year for pathology.

The interest is unprecedented according to some of the people who have been watching these things over the years.

I agree. Hopefully they're doing it for the right reasons.
 
was walking home today with Our Lady Of Med School Admissions... as part of a study to see how many people are interested upon entering med school to go into Family Med, the first-years are surveyed re: career choice.

Apparently this year quite a few put down "Pathology" 🙂
 
deschutes said:
was walking home today with Our Lady Of Med School Admissions... as part of a study to see how many people are interested upon entering med school to go into Family Med, the first-years are surveyed re: career choice.

Apparently this year quite a few put down "Pathology" 🙂

Interesting. Perhaps everyone is reading our forum and wanting to be like us.
:laugh:

I think it would be interesting to hear peoples reasons why they favor certain fields. Most people change their minds when they start med school with a "solid" choice, but path is such a different field I am not sure that would be such an issue...

I bet certain words would come up a lot..."lifestyle."

Hey, my lifestyle today was a 12 hour day (6:30-6:30) plus 20 minute commute on either end. And I had about 20 free minutes all day (for lunch, of course. If this was medicine I would have had 5 minutes and if it was surgery I would have to eat in the hallway). But I learned a TON today. We had two Hep C patients in autopsy. One weighed 400 pounds, the other weighed 130. The 400 pounder was female. The 130 was male. Guess which one I had to deal with? You guessed it! The girl!
 
yaah said:
Interesting. Perhaps everyone is reading our forum and wanting to be like us.
:laugh:


I bet certain words would come up a lot..."lifestyle."


One weighed 400 pounds, the other weighed 130. The 400 pounder was female. The 130 was male. Guess which one I had to deal with? You guessed it! The girl!

I think the personality exuded by the posters in the Pathology forum is contagious. The bunch of peeps here are much cooler and more laid-back than in the other forums. But I'm biased 🙂

Lifestyle not only comes up a lot...lifestyle comes up all the time when you mention that you're interested in path. If lifestyle means no intern year...awesome. If lifestyle means less call...awesome. If lifestyle means learning some cool ass stuff...brilliant!

And yaah, of course you're gonna get the four-hundy patient. That's all part of the unique Michigan education.
 
AndyMilonakis said:
I think the personality exuded by the posters in the Pathology forum is contagious. The bunch of peeps here are much cooler and more laid-back than in the other forums.
I considered the "cool" and "laid-back" personality factors, in isolation and in tandem.
First I thought it was because of the path lifestyle - "we're cool because we choose to have the time to be cool!"
And then I decided that simply cannot be - look at Opth/Rads/Derm (with all due respect).

Which leads to the inevitable conclusion: the people in path are born cool 😎

~
As for the "unprecedented interest" in path, I think other factors are the increase in the MD/PhD pool. And the CSIs - again, not being cynical, just realistic.

Oh man the CSIs are going to have to get through SO much pink-and-purple Powerpoint. Do they show a lot of H&E on CSI? (I don't have cable, so TV is negligible.)

There was a classmate of mine interested in Path (mostly ME cases) - until we hit Renal.

I'd be interested to know if the numbers change over the course of their med school career. Guess I should go to Career Days again this year, eat some pizza, give my little spiel and see how many keeners there are.

yaah said:
I had about 20 free minutes all day (for lunch, of course. If this was medicine I would have had 5 minutes and if it was surgery I would have to eat in the hallway).
...and you would fall asleep halfway through a bite of squashed muffin.

yaah said:
We had two Hep C patients in autopsy. One weighed 400 pounds, the other weighed 130. The 400 pounder was female. The 130 was male. Guess which one I had to deal with? You guessed it! The girl!
Rats. I thought I could get around busting my discs by doing Path.
It's physically impossible for me to do knee reflexes on a supine patient twice my size.
Behold... the sciatic future.
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andymilonakis said:
The bunch of peeps here are much cooler and more laid-back than in the other forums

Stop saying peeps! You have been contaminated by too much contact with internal medicine. Come down to the morgue stat and wash yourself off! 😉

deschutes said:
I Oh man the CSIs are going to have to get through SO much pink-and-purple Powerpoint. Do they show a lot of H&E on CSI? (I don't have cable, so TV is negligible.)
Rats. I thought I could get around busting my discs by doing Path.
It's physically impossible for me to do knee reflexes on a supine patient twice my size.
Behold... the sciatic future.

Never seen CSI, but somehow I would wager if they did look at H&Es they would show someone looking through the microscope (but not show the actual slide) and have them say something clever like, "you thought you could get away with it, didn't you, you son of a beeyotch."

And yes we had the big lady yesterday but we have an electronic hoist and there is very little lifting involved, except when you roll them to look at the back. My discs are intact. This lady's thighs were the size of my torso.
 
choosing path for the right reasons. The "good lifestyle" issue is interesting. There are multiple pathologists in my dept that work longer days than the majority of the surgeons that I worked with during internship. When the surgery clinic closes at 4-5 pm, everyone goes home. In pathology, you have to work until you clear the slide trays from your desk, no matter what time it is. Plus, there are often cases that require intradept or outside consultation, which "linger" around longer. Additionally, as a resident, the amount of outside reading required to learn the vast amount of material required in pathology is significant. Granted, we do have more control over our lives, but I think that med students and non-pathologist clinicians underestimate the time that is required to become a good pathologist.
 
Oh yeah. I know a nephropath fellow who thinks I ought to save myself from said hours and do Derm instead. (I'm not smart enough.) 😀

At the risk of sounding flippant, doctors in various fields think they each work the hardest anyway.

Ultimately though, pathology chooses her followers.
 
I am a frequent observer of the path forum and have to agree that you guys are "cooler" than everyone else (I love yaah's posts). I am applying to med school this cycle and have wanted to do path for a long time (guess what I do for a living: hint look at my screen name). I always kind of liked that my department is semi-under the radar and that we have to school all the other departments that come to look at their cases. My favorite day was when a non-path doc called some blood cells atypical. he didn't even know he was only looking at some lysed RBCs!!

as a side note- why is everyone (bosses, current students) telling me not to tell ad coms about my interest in path. They tell me to say IM all the way! Why should I hide my true love?
 
cytotech27 said:
as a side note- why is everyone (bosses, current students) telling me not to tell ad coms about my interest in path. They tell me to say IM all the way! Why should I hide my true love?
I think part of it is simply about being open to understanding and appreciating the work of other specialists (not just IM).

As you probably know, med school is a beginning - not an end. Med school is for exploring.

If I were in your shoes, I would not completely ignore the cytotech background because chances are the ad com is going to ask you about it anyway 🙂 You could always say something like, "Given my background I am definitely interested in pathology as a career option, but would like to gain more experience in other fields of medicine before I make a final decision."
 
cytotech27 said:
as a side note- why is everyone (bosses, current students) telling me not to tell ad coms about my interest in path. They tell me to say IM all the way! Why should I hide my true love?

Cytotech27 you are about to get my full efforts here...I like cytotechs they are underappreciated.

I'm not sure why they tell you that...I think it's reasonable to express an interest in whatever field you choose. However, you have to be careful to qualify that with a willingness to try new things. If you say you are only interested in pathology and know you want to go into it, they might not be too impressed. It is similar to someone who goes in and says their lifelong ambition is to be a pediatric nephrologist and they can't even think of any other possible careers. Many med schools are looking for people who have an interest in primary care, in particular "serving the underserved." The problem is that TONS of people go into interviews paying lip service to this, and in actuality may believe it themselves. But then they get well into med school and those plans get shot to ****. But then again, I would also say that anyone entering med school who absolutely does not want to consider primary care probably has no business going to med school. The purpose of being a doctor is to help people, after all.

You certainly don't want to go in to an interview with a "well gee I guess I might like internal medicine the most" attitude. Med schools like people who are potential leaders of the future, who have leadership skills, problem solving skills, and a love of learning and enthusiasm. What they really want to hear is that you have thought about it. Med school is 4 years long, after which comes many years of lots of work with little pay before you are truly a "real doctor." They want to make sure you are not going into it lightly, that you have thought about the sacrifices and rewards it entails, and that you have considered what your life might be like as a result. Thus, only reasonable that they ask you what your plans for the future might be. Be honest. They don't expect people to have had enough clinical experience to be able to fully grasp what it is like to be in a certain field.

You are a different sort of premed - so don't take anything I say here and following personally. You actually have tangible experience in a field. More than the typical college premed who volunteered in a NICU and thus "knows" that they want to be a neonatologist even though they haven't seen any procedures, dealt with the metabolic and infectious complications, or figured out if they enjoy dealing with some of the sickest patients on earth. Your experience will definitely color your future, so acknowledge this in interviews. You like pathology because you have had lots of exposure to the field. That's great!

I get a kick out of lots of other premeds who feel like they have to be definite with their career choices, as if they have the slightest clue about not only what the field they aspire to is like, but whether it is suited to their personality and their mental makeup. Sure, express an interest in dermatology, but understand that it is an interest to find more about the field. You can't go through med school doing all your rotations in different specialties. You have to explore, and you will learn from all of them, some more than others. There will come a time when all med students start to refine their life and career goals so that picking a specialty becomes important. You will start to weed out potential careers early on (like I said a big NO to a career in endocrinology VERY early on) while others may seem attractive but lose luster (like me with geriatrics) once you see what the field is really like. Others may come at you in unexpected ways and you have to be open to realizing the benefits.

So, long story short (too late!), I wouldn't necessarily play down your interest in path, but don't necessarily play it up either. Use it to your advantage. Play the game. Be the compromise candidate! Be Henry Clay! (obscure 1800's American political reference)

BTW, your observation about non-path docs being confused by slides is very accurate - many med schools are now, unfortunately, minimizing the traditional teaching of seeing tons of slides and having tons of lab time. In exchange, they are getting touchy-feely and opening up cans of EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE whup-ass too often. A lot of med school now is not spent on the pathophysiology of things like cancer or CHF, but instead on multiculturalism, sensitivity training, etc, all stuff that is somewhat important to be sure but is so patently obvious to most semi-intelligent individuals that it insults the intelligence to spend so much time on. I want my freaking doctor to understand my health problems and know how to treat them. That is paramount to me. Frankly I don't care if he doesn't understand completely that Polish jokes are potentially insulting and hurtful to me. They should be able to weed out the losers and misfits along the way. By all means spend time on learning how to interview patients and other "social" aspects, but in moderation please. The best doctors and patient advocates are that way because of their life experiences and their own personalities, not because someone talked to them for an hour about "listening" to the patient better. Duh. If you aren't listening to the patient and forming an impression based on that then what the heck are you doing?

So let it be written! So let it be done!
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Great Post Yaah...jus great
 
yaah said:
In exchange, they are getting touchy-feely and opening up cans of EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE whup-ass too often. A lot of med school now is not spent on the pathophysiology of things like cancer or CHF, but instead on multiculturalism, sensitivity training, etc, all stuff that is somewhat important to be sure but is so patently obvious to most semi-intelligent individuals that it insults the intelligence to spend so much time on. I want my freaking doctor to understand my health problems and know how to treat them. That is paramount to me. Frankly I don't care if he doesn't understand completely that Polish jokes are potentially insulting and hurtful to me. They should be able to weed out the losers and misfits along the way. By all means spend time on learning how to interview patients and other "social" aspects, but in moderation please. The best doctors and patient advocates are that way because of their life experiences and their own personalities, not because someone talked to them for an hour about "listening" to the patient better. Duh. If you aren't listening to the patient and forming an impression based on that then what the heck are you doing?

OMFG I almost coughed up my beer. :laugh: :laugh:

I can totally relate to this sentiment.

My friend said he saw you present at grand rounds and that the surgery attending pimped you. He commented that the surgeon must have a lot of nerve to pimp the pathologist. LOL
 
Ok this might sound elementary,but being an IMG and as yet not having been introduced to american medical system...can anyone explain what does "pimping" mean?....i know the real life meaning, but i was curious what it meant in the medical school parlance?

what IS pimping?

who pimps whom?

what is the objective behind pimping?

Heard a lot of times that word being used, but never could get its accurate meaning....Also, who is a peep?

regards
Quant
 
quant said:
Ok this might sound elementary,but being an IMG and as yet not having been introduced to american medical system...can anyone explain what does "pimping" mean?....i know the real life meaning, but i was curious what it meant in the medical school parlance?

what IS pimping?

who pimps whom?

what is the objective behind pimping?

Heard a lot of times that word being used, but never could get its accurate meaning....Also, who is a peep?

regards
Quant

Ah quant my friend,

Let me tell you about pimping.

In short, pimping is what an attending does to make everyone below him/her feel stupid and to exert dominance. Click on the following link to understand the "art" of pimping:

http://www.neonatology.org/pearls/pimping.html

Pimping is a game that a student or junior resident will never win.

You get asked a question...and you know the answer...and you get it right.
Wonderful! But wait...are you expecting a cookie? Hell no! The attending will respond by asking even harder questions until you can answer no more!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
quant said:
Ok this might sound elementary,but being an IMG and as yet not having been introduced to american medical system...can anyone explain what does "pimping" mean?....i know the real life meaning, but i was curious what it meant in the medical school parlance?

what IS pimping?

who pimps whom?

what is the objective behind pimping?

Heard a lot of times that word being used, but never could get its accurate meaning....Also, who is a peep?

The surgery attending attempted to barter me as a sexual object. Thus, in pimping me out he was basically selling me to the highest bidder. 😉

Naw, pimping just refers to asking questions you know the answer to so that you can test the knowledge of someone inferior to you. Thus, surgeons do it all the time to residents and students. It's like asking rhetorical questions. Anyway, I didn't get pimped as much as the surgical resident who I thought was going to be shot because his "clinical summary" took about 15 minutes. I was quick. I did get asked an unfair question about whether the cause of death should have been "sepsis" versus "Systemic inflammatory response syndrome." Semantics, my friends. But you already know that. My response was to say "I don't know the answer to that." I brought pictures of dead bowel. I think I am now a superstar.

"Peeps" is slang for "People." In hospitals, internal medicine residents think they are being cute and refer to all of their patients as "peeps." It has become a common term due to popular culture in which many popular "artists" use the term "My peeps" to refer to their friends. "My people" just doesn't sound cool. Neither does "my peeps" in my opinion, but people think they are being cool by saying it. Andy is just using it frequently because he knows I dislike the term and find it trite, unoriginal, and representative of poor moral class and standing.

Gawd I'm famous now if I am being recognized at grand rounds. Did he say I made a fool of myself? I wished I had a case where there was a bit more definitive cause of death...I couldn't give a good answer. How does one die of sepsis that has been present for about one week, but then attribute the sepsis to ischemic bowel which has been present for LESS than one week? IMHO, the sepsis caused the ischemic bowel. But what caused the sepsis? Je ne sais quoi. Perhaps the pneumonia, the pancreatitis, or the fact that you removed 3/4 of his liver. No one has any idea what I'm talking about but so what.
 
ah....ahhhh....enlightenment!

thank you mon ami!...

Merci Beaucoup!

Regards
Quant
 
I agree with you that "peeps" sounds a trifle demeaning....

Something like
"Dear Students, today we shall study a rare case of so and so in my "PEEPS" ????????????" (Did i get it right?)

Highly disconcerting... :laugh:
 
Is there something called "reverse pimping?" where a junior resident keeps asking the attending questions till he can answer no more?....im sure that d end with a disgruntled attending who would lose no future chance to "pimp" the junior resident into dust!....

pardon the repeated references to pimping, im trying to learn the slang... :laugh: :laugh:
 
yaah said:
Gawd I'm famous now if I am being recognized at grand rounds. Did he say I made a fool of myself? I wished I had a case where there was a bit more definitive cause of death...I couldn't give a good answer. How does one die of sepsis that has been present for about one week, but then attribute the sepsis to ischemic bowel which has been present for LESS than one week? IMHO, the sepsis caused the ischemic bowel. But what caused the sepsis? Je ne sais quoi. Perhaps the pneumonia, the pancreatitis, or the fact that you removed 3/4 of his liver. No one has any idea what I'm talking about but so what.

I'm somewhat familiar with the story as he recounted it over dinner. He did make the point that pathologists like to use the word "likely" in respect to what "may" have caused the death. Of course, the surgeons don't like ambiguity. He didn't note that you came across as a fool.

I think the topic came up since I commented that surgeons are tightwads whereas pathologists are more laid back. He agreed and thus, made a seque (sp?) to this story. Didn't remember most of the story...I was already on my 3rd beer by that point.
 
This tumor is likely highly suspicious for malignancy.
 
AndyMilonakis said:
I'm somewhat familiar with the story as he recounted it over dinner. He did make the point that pathologists like to use the word "likely" in respect to what "may" have caused the death. Of course, the surgeons don't like ambiguity. He didn't note that you came across as a fool.

I think the topic came up since I commented that surgeons are tightwads whereas pathologists are more laid back. He agreed and thus, made a seque (sp?) to this story. Didn't remember most of the story...I was already on my 3rd beer by that point.

I probably did say likely a bit too much 😉. I didn't hear or see anyone directly laughing at me so I guess that's a start. I likely did come off as a bit laid back though. Maybe should have buttoned my coat.

There are no definites in medicine, despite what surgeons say. Everything is also working in concert. Occasionally, there is an obvious event. The AAA ruptures. The massive stroke. The massive MI. But quite often, it is a constellation of things that dooms a patient, as in this case. Yes, he "likely" died from sepsis and ischemic bowel. But maybe his acidosis from his congested lungs induced an arrhythmia. I could not make this speech at the conference, however.

I'm glad I am now being discussed at drunken dinners, at least. That's the first step towards success!

quant - your quote about peeps - to be correct, you would say..."a rare case in ONE OF my peeps." Peeps is plural. Oddly, when one refers to one patient very rarely does one say peep.

To complicate matters further, a peep also refers to a disgusting marshmallow conconction.
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yaah said:
I'm glad I am now being discussed at drunken dinners, at least. That's the first step towards success!

Who said anyone was drunk? 😀

Anyways, my friend said you handled the questions very well. I told him I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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