Interesting Grand Rounds Talk

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distalpanc

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First post on here- wanted to share a great video presentation of a grand rounds talk I thought was excellent. As a disclaimer, it is 30 min long but well worth it:

http://vimeo.com/11378278

A chief resident gives his thoughts on healthcare reform and surgeons.
 
I'm watching it, I'll let you know what I think, but I don't think it brought up any new information. Also, since it is a Grand Rounds presentation by a resident, it strayed into the usual "I'm making jokes, look at me" territory. (Around 7:00, where he starts joking that one of the residents in the program was Hootie from Hootie and the Blowfish and another resident was a YouTube singing sensation.) I could do without that stuff.

Further into the video, we get the body of the presentation, that surgeons are increasingly burnt out due to loss of autonomy (from bureaucracies and also mandates forced on us from Medicare/Medicaid) and (the lack of) tort reform. The problem is that, with or without Obamacare, those remain. What I have always said is that we're fighting a losing battle because the left has ingrained into the current generation, even physicians, that healthcare is a "right." It's not, it's a service provided by people and those people are not slaves. But when faced with Obamacare, our options are either Obamacare or the current system. And the current system (pre-O-care) is already problematic. We already have healthcare controlled by the government. I'm not saying, for example, that UTIs are "good" by any stretch, but the fact that Medicare can just say "oh, UTIs should never happen and therefore we won't pay for any UTIs or urosepsis or pneumonias, etc, etc" is ridiculous. That's some bureaucrat who never had to take care of a patient sitting around who decided that all he has to do is take away our money and we'll snap to it. My response would be to just dump all Medicare patients. Let him take care of them. I have better things to do than get reimbursed pennies for my work with increasing amounts of paperwork and delayed payments.

The reality is that what has destroyed our system is the government promise to everyone that everyone gets everything. We've all heard ad nauseum about the families who keep their elderly demented parents trundling between nursing homes and the hospital, often the ICU, who want "everything done" because they pay for practically none of it. And we all demand that now. And as a result, healthcare has skyrocketed. Contrary to popular belief, it's not "impossible" to pay for your own healthcare, but who wants to pay a few thousand dollars for your appendectomy when you can get it for free, ostensibly? That would be a sucker's proposition. Or how about the fact that we spend the bulk of our healthcare dollars on people in the last month of their life, just to say we did "everything" to prolong it? Everyone is afraid to tell people flat out "this is futile care and I'm not participating in it" because then you're the mean physician who didn't care. And don't get this confused with Obamacare, where people are just told "you don't really need a pacemaker" simply on the basis of their age. I'm talking about literally futile care, and if anyone can't tell the difference then I suggest you immediately stop practicing medicine.

We won't get back to free-market medicine because people demand all the latest tests, every bit of labwork. And they won't pay for it. People are ignorant. How many of you have had a patient say "I'm not leaving the hospital because what if I have to come back?" Now, I'm not saying they're bad people for saying that. I'm just saying they're ignorant. And they can do that because they don't pay for it. Can you imagine telling a hotel that? "Oh, I just don't feel like leaving today, come back tomorrow and I'll let you know." And guess what? Half the time, we just let them languish because it's easier and we don't want to anger anyone! Ridiculous.

Combating that mentality of entitlement is the main thing we have to do, and it won't work because we will get tarred as being "uncompassionate."
 
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What I encourage all physicians to do is to simply work until you feel the return is not befitting your level of work. And when that time comes, don't feel the need to "work harder for less" like some hamster in a wheel. Don't bow to the pressures of the government. That's what they want. When that time comes, just retire immediately.

The only time anything happens is when people suffer. Don't ever forget that. And, no, I don't care if someone quotes that out of context. My favorite anecdote comes from Nevada, when the legislature said they couldn't pass tort reform. So all the trauma centers closed in Las Vegas. And guess what? 24 hours later, they had tort reform. If we act like it's our duty to continue to maintain the system, we never win.

That's why when O-care kicks in, I'm going to embrace it. I'll just become a salaried employee of a hospital and, like I said, do nothing. I'll just keep postponing operations and punching out at 2 PM. Sure, I'll make far less than current surgeons, but I'll still be making OK money. And any physician who thinks that's heartless, be my guest at taking up my slack. Have at it. And all the liberal physicians who are pro-O-care can also do that. Have them go into primary care, have them see the patients for free, have them do high-risk operations for low pay. I'll be kicking it at home in front of the television. 👍
 
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Glade, I was beginning to think I was crazy, but reading your stuff on this thread makes me feel better- I'm not the only one.

Healthcare is not a right- it is a service. I totally agree.

I didnt sacrifice my life to train as a top-end surgeon to be poor and get sued by free-loaders. I want to get paid alot of money.

I think the physicians should go on strike for a bit and when grandma cant get seen at 3am in the ER, or when people are inconvenienced then maybe people will wake-up. thats reform....
 
You're not crazy. The problem is that in medical school and residency training (and further if you stay in academic centers), you're sheltered. Academia has always been the refuge of the liberal. Like, you actually get trained into thinking it's a sin to want to make money as a physician. Everyone is all aghast like "whaaaa? You whaaaaa???? I'm outraged!"

Here's my list of reasons why I wanted to go to medical school:

1) Make money.
2) The thing that interested me (I like the disease processes and the human body is scientifically fascinating).
...
9758943) I want to make the world a better place.
9758944) I like working for free.

But you go on med school interviews and residency interviews and job interviews and you're supposed to lie like a dog and say "I just, I just want to make people smile!!!" And then immediately go into Radiology because you realized right after the interview you're not a big fan of clinical patient contact. 👍 Or go into Anesthesiology because your favorite part of taking care of patients is when they are no longer awake. Seriously, it's embarrassing how much we're forced to lie in the medical field.
 
Glade, I was beginning to think I was crazy, but reading your stuff on this thread makes me feel better- I'm not the only one.

Healthcare is not a right- it is a service. I totally agree.

I didnt sacrifice my life to train as a top-end surgeon to be poor and get sued by free-loaders. I want to get paid alot of money.

I think the physicians should go on strike for a bit and when grandma cant get seen at 3am in the ER, or when people are inconvenienced then maybe people will wake-up. thats reform....


I totally agree with you and Glade
 
glade, I just want to say thank you for eloquently putting into words what I have been trying to do for a while (but have been failing miserably). Hats off to both you and ESU_MD.

Thanks, and hopefully I'll be your residents one day. That way you can help un-wash the brains of the socialist faithful.