Interesting Video...

[UltimateHombre]

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I stumbled upon this video the other day and although it is an hour long, i ended up watching all of it.

In no way do i agree with this video, but i do think it is worth any students time to watch. I think a majority of the information is pretty misrepresented and tweaked to prove the video's point. And many of their live interview sources are definitely not the norm and biased.... However, it does bring up some pretty interesting points about the rise in tuition. Especially, how it has been steadily increasing even though jobs and income has been falling in the recession.

We will all be professionals and will probably be ok, considering our potential income. But it does make a pretty good point about a basic undergrad degree.

If you are curious enough to watch.... what are your thoughts? What do you feel about the education bubble? Take it for what it's worth.... probably not much...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE

 

[tntme321]

I watched the first two mintues and I agree with what they have said so far. I have been telling my friends this for years now. The students from my highschool who did not attend college are further ahead in life then those who did at this point. I was conditioned by my parents, teachers, etc thay if you did not go to college you were going to be a failure in life. . . essentially in so many words. Call me naive, but I also assumed that when you got a degree from college employers lined up to hand out jobs. I wish my fantasy was true lol

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

I watched the first two mintues and I agree with what they have said so far. I have been telling my friends this for years now. The students from my highschool who did not attend college are further ahead in life then those who did at this point. I was conditioned by my parents, teachers, etc thay if you did not go to college you were going to be a failure in life. . . essentially in so many words. Call me naive, but I also assumed that when you got a degree from college employers lined up to hand out jobs. I wish my fantasy was true lol

They may be ahead now but in a few years you will speed past them.

Have you ever played those games where you had to do a quest so that you can break the level limit and continue leveling pass the capped level? Higher education is equivalent to those quests.

 

[93geo]

👍

 

[MrAvicii]

no college = no dental school.
nuff said.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

If we didn't go to University, then whose graduation ceremonies would recruiters show up to and offer jobs?

That video is a crock a **** lol. I don't think you need a college degree to be successful, but I think it increases your chances.

 

[Choob]

Yes, a college degree does open doors for you. The problem is the price of that opportunity. I think everyone knows that tuition for both public and private institutions are not going down anytime soon. However, If tuition rates keep increasing at the current rate it will not be financially worth it to obtain higher education. The education is in a bubble it's just a matter of time before it pops just like the housing and tech.

 

[Bereno]

I have not watched the video, but will try and do so a little later tonight.

My thoughts on what has been discussed thus far:

Are all hamburgers equal?
No, an McDonalds burger is not going to compare with a Lunchbox Laboratory burger (for those of you who dont know what the Lunchbox Laboratory is, its a super good burger place in Seattle)... I think the same goes for a degree - not all are equal. However, if you are starving, you might still be willing to overpay for the McDonalds burger simply to try and ease your hunger. Similarly, if a school is promising career "satiation", you just might be willing to overpay for that sub-par education. (for profit schools anyone?)

 

[MrAvicii]

if you get a degree in Poly Science, you probably wasted 4 years and a ton of $$$. but if you get a degree in Bio, and then go to any professional school then all the doors have opened up for you. 👍

 

[MAR89]

if you get a degree in Poly Science, you probably wasted 4 years and a ton of $$$. but if you get a degree in Bio, and then go to any professional school then all the doors have opened up for you. 👍

Wait wha? Whatever anyone majors in has very little say in their candidacy for professional schools, granted they take the prereqs/recommended courses. Dental school apps are a case in point. I think someone could even make the argument that a bio degree is more useless than one in poli sci.

 

[MrAvicii]

Wait wha? Whatever anyone majors in has very little say in their candidacy for professional schools, granted they take the prereqs/recommended courses. Dental school apps are a case in point. I think someone could even make the argument that a bio degree is more useless than one in poli sci.

students with poly sci degrees do not go to d-school (usually), last time i checked lol bio is useful as ever, dunno if you've ever cared to read the ADEA book, but the majority of d-school students were bio majors.

 

[UltimateHombre]

students with poly sci degrees do not go to d-school (usually), last time i checked lol bio is useful as ever, dunno if you've ever cared to read the ADEA book, but the majority of d-school students were bio majors.

About 50% of applicants are bio majors... only becuase it makes the most sense with the prereqs. But plenty of other majors apply and get in. I am personally a communication major and it will not affect my d-school admissions. GPA, DAT and just about everything else is more important than major.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813958

 

[yappy]

OP: saw ½ the video. This is not uncommon rhetoric in today's high tuition/unemployment environment. There is almost an anti-intellectual element to it as well. The two main points I take away, and agree with, are that college is not for everyone (meaning not everyone should go to college), and it is getting too expensive. I spoke with some administration at my college and they were able to show me how: as tax revenue decreased, tuition increased. In effect the budget was being balanced on the backs of college students. I thought that was unfortunate because the earners who were currently working got their college largely subsidized and in their high income years they were deciding to vote down measures to cover youths' college.

To be clear he showed how the real price per student had not gone up much but the cost was being shifted from tax payer to student.

One thing I dont understand either is how this dentist cannot manage to pay off 100k over the course of her career? That seems odd. She also mentioned she made 80k as a dentist. It would seem that if she worked full time she would be able to do better than that.

EDIT (last thing): OH CRAP lol. They put on Gerald Celente - he's so full of conspiracy/futurist BS. Worst part is he has an MBA LOL! He's also a right-wing-nut, not unlike Beck.

 

[MrAvicii]

About 50% of applicants are bio majors... only becuase it makes the most sense with the prereqs. But plenty of other majors apply and get in. I am personally a communication major and it will not affect my d-school admissions. GPA, DAT and just about everything else is more important than major.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813958

i wasnt the one who said bio helps, there were multiple threads on this by doc toothache himself. plus if majority of people do bio, i would still do it too. i dont know how communication degree really enhances your application either. but thats just my opinion.

 

[2th Doc]

Haven't watched the video yet, but I'd just like to say thank you to Mr. O for cutting our subsidized loans. Oh, you're adding the previously allowable subsidized loan amounts to our unsubsidized limits? How convenient.

 

[UCLAzy]

i wonder if they realize the irony of spending about an hour trying to tell you not to 'just do' what everybody else is doing, but spend the last 5 minutes telling you to invest everything you have in gold and silver.

 

[BobLoblawDDS]

students with poly sci degrees do not go to d-school (usually), last time i checked lol bio is useful as ever, dunno if you've ever cared to read the ADEA book, but the majority of d-school students were bio majors.

What major are you? I'd be surprised if you studied science, as you seem to lack basic reasoning skills and an understanding of causality. Poli-(not poly)sci students don't normally go to dental school because it is not normally their goal, not because their degree is any less "useful" than a science degree. Very few poli-sci students, if any, are interested in healthcare or dentistry, so why on earth would they know anything about the field, nevermind actually end up in it? Science majors are exposed to the healthcare fields from early on, so it's natural that we end up in fields like medicine, dentistry, pharmacy.

That said, I'd say a B.Sc. is just about as useless as a B.A., since to gain significant job prospects you need to do something BEYOND your bachelor's. You need a graduate degree, certificate, a professional degree, a technical diploma. That's what gets you the job. IMO the most useful undergrad degrees are in commerce and engineering. Graduates of B.Coms and B.Engs can get a decent-paying (70-90K) job right out of school. You find the same salary with only a B.Sc. in Biology and get back to me.

 

[MAR89]

i wasnt the one who said bio helps, there were multiple threads on this by doc toothache himself. plus if majority of people do bio, i would still do it too. i dont know how communication degree really enhances your application either. but thats just my opinion.

No one's saying one degree helps an applicant get into dental school more than another. The bottom line is that whatever the major is, it doesn't really matter, unless your first choice is a place like Nova, known to favor applicants with heavy bio backgrounds. The thread you're referring to may be this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=516945

and it states just the opposite of what you're saying.

Anyways, we're hijacking this thread.

Gerald Celente's kind of a douche.

 

[MrAvicii]

What major are you? I'd be surprised if you studied science, as you seem to lack basic reasoning skills and an understanding of causality. Poli-(not poly)sci students don't normally go to dental school because it is not normally their goal, not because their degree is any less "useful" than a science degree. Very few poli-sci students, if any, are interested in healthcare or dentistry, so why on earth would they know anything about the field, nevermind actually end up in it? Science majors are exposed to the healthcare fields from early on, so it's natural that we end up in fields like medicine, dentistry, pharmacy.

That said, I'd say a B.Sc. is just about as useless as a B.A., since to gain significant job prospects you need to do something BEYOND your bachelor's. You need a graduate degree, certificate, a professional degree, a technical diploma. That's what gets you the job. IMO the most useful undergrad degrees are in commerce and engineering. Graduates of B.Coms and B.Engs can get a decent-paying (70-90K) job right out of school. You find the same salary with only a B.Sc. in Biology and get back to me.

im a non trad student, and yes i was a non-science major. but i dont get why i would study engineering for d-school???, i would only hurt myself with low grades and take classes that i would not need for the future. if you took the time to understand what i meant, then you would see im talking about D SCHOOL ONLY! I'm saying you need an undergrad degree in FOR EXAMPLE Bio, in order to go professional school.

I would take the science route if i was to go to a professional school. But what I meant about Poly or Poli science (same diff to me) is that in general that degree is BS (as in bullcrap) because you cant do anything with it afterwards. Meanwhile other careers from undergrad provide a long term model of success i.e. speech pathology, nursing, d. hygienist, etc.

 

[MrAvicii]

No one's saying one degree helps an applicant get into dental school more than another. The bottom line is that whatever the major is, it doesn't really matter, unless your first choice is a place like Nova, known to favor applicants with heavy bio backgrounds. The thread you're referring to may be this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=516945

and it states just the opposite of what you're saying.

Anyways, we're hijacking this thread.

Gerald Celente's kind of a douche.

if thats wrong, then its wrong. i would still pursue a science degree if i wanted to go to prof school (like d.school or med school), i wouldnt major in literature. but thats my opniion and my choice.

 

[yappy]

But I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank. His "sky is falling" message really sells. Esp. to people who are very upset with or never supported the current administration. There has been so much fear and hate since the 08 electon. I have tried to talk to many people about politics or tax policy (I have taken a few courses and enjoy reading econ journals) and their response to me is "It's all funny money! Have you read Celente's books? He was on Glenn Beck the other day...".

What a notion, fear sells. I'll let them spend their money building that bomb bunker in their backyard and buy all of celente's books.

No one's saying one degree helps an applicant get into dental school more than another. The bottom line is that whatever the major is, it doesn't really matter, unless your first choice is a place like Nova, known to favor applicants with heavy bio backgrounds. The thread you're referring to may be this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=516945

and it states just the opposite of what you're saying.

Anyways, we're hijacking this thread.

Gerald Celente's kind of a douche.

 

[BobLoblawDDS]

im a non trad student, and yes i was a non-science major. but i dont get why i would study engineering for d-school???, i would only hurt myself with low grades and take classes that i would not need for the future. if you took the time to understand what i meant, then you would see im talking about D SCHOOL ONLY! I'm saying you need an undergrad degree in FOR EXAMPLE Bio, in order to go professional school.

I would take the science route if i was to go to a professional school. But what I meant about Poly or Poli science (same diff to me) is that in general that degree is BS (as in bullcrap) because you cant do anything with it afterwards. Meanwhile other careers from undergrad provide a long term model of success i.e. speech pathology, nursing, d. hygienist, etc.

I'm not sure where you got the "engineering-dentistry" relationship. I didn't say that at all. All I said was that if one was to get a single degree that allowed them the best initial job prospects upon graduating, engineering would be it.

You seem to be equating the ability to attend to dental school to "a useful career path," which is absurd. You can put dentistry up on a pedestal; that's fine. Most people here do. But you have to realize that that's not the case for everyone.

If you don't think a degree in political science can lead to a good career, then I'm not sure what to say to you. A career is what you make of it. And I hope that when, if, you get into dental school, most of your classmates are history majors.

Sorry for the derail. Back to the video. I'm at my lab so I haven't got time to watch it. Maybe later tonight.

 

[MrAvicii]

I'm not sure where you got the "engineering-dentistry" relationship. I didn't say that at all. All I said was that if one was to get a single degree that allowed them the best initial job prospects upon graduating, engineering would be it.

You seem to be equating the ability to attend to dental school to "a useful career path," which is absurd. You can put dentistry up on a pedestal; that's fine. Most people here do. But you have to realize that that's not the case for everyone.

If you don't think a degree in political science can lead to a good career, then I'm not sure what to say to you. A career is what you make of it. And I hope that when, if, you get into dental school, most of your classmates are history majors.

Sorry for the derail. Back to the video. I'm at my lab so I haven't got time to watch it. Maybe later tonight.

its a d-school forum, so is it a shocker im into d-school lol its not like some general forum. undergrad is not useless unless you do something with your degree. but what i meant is a degree in poly science is not useful for all intensive purposes because unless you get a masters or a law degree (which is horrible) you cant do much with it.

my initial point was also that undergrad is not useless (contrary to what this video says), assuming you pick the right major. its probably bad to get a degree in a major that yields no income, because then you are self fulfilling the prophecy that college is a waste of time & money.

 

[BobLoblawDDS]

but what i meant is a degree in poly science is not useful... you cant do much with it.

Sure. Like biology.

... for all intensive purposes...

 

[yappy]

Dang, stop thread-jacking you two. Let me let you in on a little secret; for alot of jobs, ones that are worth getting, your degree doesnt mean BS other than the fact that you have one.

I've meet people who cannot get a job in business who have a business degree and I've meet people who are on executive staff that majored in english. I have another friend working in biomedical sales who partied his way through a communications degree and now makes 100k.

What these stories have in common is that they proved their potential in low level positions and worked up in a company. They were not handed some great position because they had degree X.

 

[MrAvicii]

Sure. Like biology.

i never said to pursue biology w/o a prof school, but its still worth more in the real world than a poly sci degree. 🙂 this is all opinion based and this getting outta hand lol we are hijackers! time to end this thread and move on!

 

[MowgliR]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=826754

 

[full]

Finally a video that speaks against the mainstream politically correct BS. However, it obviously is bias and not balanced. I also don't like the fear mongering.

It has some good points. You won't be told these things in grade school because (1) in school they only teach you what is politically correct or they'll be fired and (2) 99% of teachers just regurgitate the mainstream BS and aren't even aware of the subtext.


Private schools charging $40k/yr. for tuition? WOW! How could this be worth it? $60K a year after room and board. $240K debt at graduation. Current recession= unlikely to find a "real" job. If you are the lucky few who get a "real" job, you'll be making $35k/yr (most majors). It's a job you will probably hate anyways...you're owned by the system.

Maybe it's worth it if it's a top 15 school (e.g harvard, upenn, mit) since big time corporations give BS degrees from those schools 6 figure salaries....otherwise I'd just go to an in-state public.

People don't even know why they go to college. It's mostly social pressure. It's too awkward/embarrassing to just sit at home and do nothing especially if you come from an upscale area where everyone else is going to college. Pressure from parents who don't know what's going on and are just regurgitate what TV tells them. But I think the main reason is because everybody else is doing it and it's too awkward/embarrassing to break from the pack.


The dentist interview thing is obviously not the full story. They've gotta be hiding something. How could she graduate dental school with $216K and still be in massive debt?

If you're a dentist and make $150K + per year then I'd think the loans are worth it, especially with IBR.

 

[Bereno]

After watching the video, I think the thing I agree the most on is that the over-saturation of degrees devalues the degree itself. I also agree that the government should increase the requirements to obtain a student loan. Sorry, but I think those getting degrees in community psychology or english, etc really need to evaluate their career choices.

Other than that, the video reeks with propaganda haha

 

[UltimateHombre]

I would take the science route if i was to go to a professional school. But what I meant about Poly or Poli science (same diff to me) is that in general that degree is BS (as in bullcrap) because you cant do anything with it afterwards. Meanwhile other careers from undergrad provide a long term model of success i.e. speech pathology, nursing, d. hygienist, etc.

I do agree with you... the only reason i am a communication major is because i am interested in it and my major doesn't matter for d-schools. It is essentially a means to an end.

The problem is that a vast majority of majors in school are not really going to help you with much in the job world. Any of the social sciences, humanities, and half of the business degrees are not "skill" oriented at all and doesn't really provide you with much more than a broad education and critical thinking skills. Even in the sciences a basic biology degree doesn't provide you much. If you want to get into lab/pharma work, many companies would prefer to hire a biochem, microbio, molecular bio, or genetics major over a general bio major any day. Even then, if you want to make decent cash you need a grad degree.

IMO pick a skill specific degree (engineering, nursing, accountancy, etc) or plan on going to grad/professional school.

 

[UltimateHombre]

After watching the video, I think the thing I agree the most on is that the over-saturation of degrees devalues the degree itself. I also agree that the government should increase the requirements to obtain a student loan. Sorry, but I think those getting degrees in community psychology or english, etc really need to evaluate their career choices.

Other than that, the video reeks with propaganda haha

Well said 👍