internship question

[justcallmepsych4life]

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How many full-page reports are considered "competitive" when applying for internship? I heard that 15 is competitive, but some people say they have only wrote a handful.

 

[Justanothergrad]

As all useful answers go, it depends.

It depends on the site, the instruments you include and have exposure to, the track (Neuro v non-neuro especially), the rest of your application, etc. In my experience, competitive candidates are competitive across the board and people review them as a whole package. If you are 10-15, you are probably in good company

 

[PsychFL91]

semi-related question, but are full-page reports the same thing as integrated reports?

 

[WisNeuro]

semi-related question, but are full-page reports the same thing as integrated reports?

No, although I don't know what you mean by a full page report. In this vein, in reviewing internship applications, looking at the number of reported "integrated reports" in conjunction with the "assessments administered", it is abundantly clear that the majority of applicants either do not know what constitutes an integrated report, or straight out misrepresent their number of integrated reports.

 

[PsychFL91]

No, although I don't know what you mean by a full page report. In this vein, in reviewing internship applications, looking at the number of reported "integrated reports" in conjunction with the "assessments administered", it is abundantly clear that the majority of applicants either do not know what constitutes an integrated report, or straight out misrepresent their number of integrated reports.

Yea I'm not sure what a full-page report is either. OP mentioned them in their comment, and it was the first time I had heard of that kind.

 

[Justanothergrad]

No, although I don't know what you mean by a full page report. In this vein, in reviewing internship applications, looking at the number of reported "integrated reports" in conjunction with the "assessments administered", it is abundantly clear that the majority of applicants either do not know what constitutes an integrated report, or straight out misrepresent their number of integrated reports.

An integrated report just means a single BDI, right? 😉

 

[smalltownpsych]

I would hope that an integrated assessment was at least a full page report. My outpatient therapy intakes are usually more than a page, I can’t see any assessment being fit onto a page unless the font was really really small.

 

[WisNeuro]

An integrated report just means a single BDI, right? 😉

That's what many applicants seem to think.

 

[Pragma]

A lot of applicants also seem to think that "integrated" means a really long boilerplate cut-and-paste descriptive information about individual scores from WAIS and MMPI report writing software.

Number? Depends where you are going and what type of internship it is. I've seen anywhere from 5 to 100+ in applications.

 

[psych.meout]

That's what many applicants seem to think.

Wow, do people at this level really not know what the word "integrate" means?

 

[WisNeuro]

Wow, do people at this level really not know what the word "integrate" means?

I would venture that most applicants do not read the APPI instructions that include a definition of what an integrated report entails. More than you'd think make this mistake on their applications.

 

[Justanothergrad]

I would venture that most applicants do not read the APPI instructions that include a definition of what an integrated report entails. More than you'd think make this mistake on their applications.

I'm a cynic, I think its also often the case that they feel the need to ignore that part of the instructions to be competitive. When I would see '100+' integrated reports on applications (for profit PsyD frequently, but not exclusively), I would just laugh.

 

[WisNeuro]

I'm a cynic, I think its also often the case that they feel the need to ignore that part of the instructions to be competitive. When I would see '100+' integrated reports on applications (for profit PsyD frequently, but not exclusively), I would just laugh.

Yeah, the AAA's seem to do this more than most. Congrats on administering 50-ish BDI/BAIs. You have reached the level of a trained monkey. You still have a ways to go to get to the integrated report. I always compare reported integrated reports to what they've actually done. If these are wildly discrepant, you definitely lose points.

 

[CatsFan]

Yeah, the AAA's seem to do this more than most. Congrats on administering 50-ish BDI/BAIs. You have reached the level of a trained monkey. You still have a ways to go to get to the integrated report. I always compare reported integrated reports to what they've actually done. If these are wildly discrepant, you definitely lose points.

100 isn't crazy for neuro, though, right? I mean, if you've done at least a couple years of neuro practica...one integrated report a week...

 

[WisNeuro]

100 isn't crazy for neuro, though, right? I mean, if you've done at least a couple years of neuro practica...one integrated report a week...

100 is fine for some neuro heavy people. But, many students list a number of integrated reports that is incompatible with the number of assessments that they have reported as administered. I had one application that obviously thought that writing up an MMSE/MoCA alone counted as an integrated report based on their reported assessments administered, saying that they had done something like 120 integrated reports, with almost no other assessment instruments reported. That application went into the round filing bin.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

100 isn't crazy for neuro, though, right? I mean, if you've done at least a couple years of neuro practica...one integrated report a week...

Not crazy, no (bias alert: I had >100 integrated reports way back when), but also certainly not necessary. I've more typically seen in the 50-ish range perhaps.

More important would be the balance with other aspects of the application. 50 reports + some pubs and posters would likely be viewed more favorably than 100 reports with little to no substantial research experience.

 

[researchgirl]

As a non-neuro person, I'd say >10 integrated reports would be the most you'd need to be competitive (assuming they appear to be truly integrated as referenced above), though you could certainly have fewer and still be interviewed/strongly considered. (AKA I'm not more impressed with you as a candidate because you have 20, 30, or 50, your 10 is sufficient for my purposes.)

 

[PsychPhDone]

As a non-neuro person, I'd say >10 integrated reports would be the most you'd need to be competitive (assuming they appear to be truly integrated as referenced above), though you could certainly have fewer and still be interviewed/strongly considered. (AKA I'm not more impressed with you as a candidate because you have 20, 30, or 50, your 10 is sufficient for my purposes.)

Data point: I had 4-6 reports. Not neuro. Research heavy sites.

 

[neuroprof]

At my program (clinical phd) they said if not applying to neuro positions around 10 or more is fine. probably risky after you get under 7