interviewing at pathology programs

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What's a pathology interview like?

I'm about to go on my first interview and I'm a little stressed.

Am I going to get grilled?

Are they going to ask questions like why do you want to go into this field?
 
Most questions I have gotten so far:

Tell me about yourself.
Why Pathology?
Why this program?
What do you for fun?
What do you see yourself doing career-wise?
Or, get sidetracked on off-topic things such as sports, the area, etc.

Rarely:
Strength/Weakness?

And then about 50% of the time they have been just telling me about the program. One or two interviewers did not even ask any questions, just lots of telling about the program/area.
 
my experience has been pretty much the same as sean's thus far. no stressful interviews at all. most common Qs are: why are you interested in our program? what kind of career do you see for yourself (academic vs. private practice, and what area of pathology)? what questions do you have for me?
 
Believe me, the toughest question after you passed the first interviewers is "Do you have any questions for me?"....🙄
 
No grilling whatsoever. Pretty much what everyone else said, except I haven't gotten the strength/weakness question. Even at the most competetive programs where I think I stand only a slim chance of matching, they tell me that their goal through the interview is to try to convince me to go to the program. Seriously. The reason they do that is so they can make sure to fill their spots with the best applicants possible, and it works in your favor. My experience has been that everyone is very polite and only points out strengths in your application. It allows you to be completely relaxed so they can see who you really are. Make sure to bring a list of questions to help you evaluate the program and so you can show the interviewers you are interested and also to fill up time.

Good luck
 
Most interviews at most programs will be low key and the interviewers will attempt to convince the applicant to come to their residency.

However, if there is a weakness in your application as an interviewer I will ask you about this directly. This is done specifically to allow you provide an explanation about why the weakness exists, what steps your have taken to address the issue or why you feel that it will not impact your future career as a pathologist. These questions are typically done in a non-threatening manner. If no one asks the question, then it is just left as a potential negative in the application, when in fact it may not be.

Let me give a specific example. Let's say you received a marginal in your OB/GYN rotation while all your other rotations are high pass or honors. I would ask why there is that outlier grade so that you can provide an explanation, which I will document in the interview report form so that all the residency selection committee will have the information.

Dan Remick, M.D.
Chair, Boston University Pathology and Laboratory Medicine
 
Most interviews at most programs will be low key and the interviewers will attempt to convince the applicant to come to their residency.

However, if there is a weakness in your application as an interviewer I will ask you about this directly. This is done specifically to allow you provide an explanation about why the weakness exists, what steps your have taken to address the issue or why you feel that it will not impact your future career as a pathologist. These questions are typically done in a non-threatening manner. If no one asks the question, then it is just left as a potential negative in the application, when in fact it may not be.

Let me give a specific example. Let's say you received a marginal in your OB/GYN rotation while all your other rotations are high pass or honors. I would ask why there is that outlier grade so that you can provide an explanation, which I will document in the interview report form so that all the residency selection committee will have the information.

Dan Remick, M.D.
Chair, Boston University Pathology and Laboratory Medicine

Dan,

For me personality is HUGE and I have seen a number of residents get booted from training due to what essentially are interpersonal issues. How often do simple social skills make or break applicants for you?
 
The other question I would have in follow up to that is, "how do you know?" I imagine LORs can be somewhat helpful in this instance, but a lot of people put on the "interview persona" which, disturbingly, is often different from their real life persona. I imagine those who conduct lots of interviews would get good at spotting the fakers. But still, there are lots of people (I suspect) who perform rather poorly or unimpressively in residency who seemed excellent candidates at the time of interview!

I agree personality is huge. Some residents are just so much more pleasant to work with and challenge you in good ways. Others make things more difficult and unpleasant. But you can't often tell who fits into these categories on first meeting them. Apart from personality - simple work ethic. Do you show up on time? Do you challenge yourself to do more than the minimum? Do you improve your skills substantially as you train? Do you bring out the best in others? These are hard things to get at!
 
yaah -

if you (or anyone else) figures out how to tell that during a 6 hour interview day you'll make a lot of money... we're talking LADoc rich!! everybody, from lawyers to business people to doctors, would want to figure that out. to me, that's why a letter of rec that i can't see has value. hopefully someone comments about my work ethic in there, and the fact that i don't have access to that should tell the programs that it's an honest opinion since the letter writer could have said i'm a lazy putz and i'd never have known it.

The other question I would have in follow up to that is, "how do you know?" I imagine LORs can be somewhat helpful in this instance, but a lot of people put on the "interview persona" which, disturbingly, is often different from their real life persona. I imagine those who conduct lots of interviews would get good at spotting the fakers. But still, there are lots of people (I suspect) who perform rather poorly or unimpressively in residency who seemed excellent candidates at the time of interview!

I agree personality is huge. Some residents are just so much more pleasant to work with and challenge you in good ways. Others make things more difficult and unpleasant. But you can't often tell who fits into these categories on first meeting them. Apart from personality - simple work ethic. Do you show up on time? Do you challenge yourself to do more than the minimum? Do you improve your skills substantially as you train? Do you bring out the best in others? These are hard things to get at!
 
I'm sure it's my letter of rec that is getting me all these awesome interviews. I haven't gone a single interview without someone mentioning it. Thank God for wonderful mentors. One of these days I'm hoping to see what they wrote about me...
 
This reply is addressed to several people who have asked about the importance of the interview both inside and outside this forum.

Individual impressions from interviews have little value, group impressions from interviews are extremely beneficial.

Back when I was doing medical school admissions, we had some faculty who were convinced that they possessed outstanding insight that would allow them to predict medical student performance on the basis of the interview. Because they were skilled clinicians and respected physicians at a major academic medical center they knew that they could accurately read a candidate within a few minutes.

Unfortunately, data were generated that showed that their prescience was flawed. First, the US postal service did a study showing that experienced human resource personnel could not accurately predict who would go "postal" on the basis of an interview.

Second, I watched those medical students where 2 interviews were excellent, the letters were excellent, but one single interviewer gave a less than stellar evaluation. None of these students ever had a problem. I recieved a substantial degree of grief about admitting a student when the senior faculty were sure that their interview skills had found a flaw. The flaw was in their impression that they could predict future performance.

Third, Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric says in his book Winning that at his best his executive level hiring decisions were correct about 80% of the time. This comes from the person who has been described as the CEO of the century. If his impression is only good 4 out of 5 times, imagine what mere mortals are like.

The point is that a single interview has very poor predictive value.

However, I am a strong believer in concept of quorum sensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing . If several interviewers have the same negative impression of the candidate, even though the numbers and letters of reference look great, then that information needs to be taken seriously. Articles have been written about collective wisdom in making decisions compared to expert opinion and collective wisdom usually outperforms expert opinion.

When making human resource decisions, i.e. hiring, firing, promotion etc the appropriate evaluation includes the synthesis of as much information as possible from a variety of sources. Believing a single source is likely to lead you astray.

Another significant advantage of having multiple sources and interviews in addition to making the correct decision, is that you have buy in from the group because they had the opportunity to provide input.

This was a little long, but there have been numerous posts about the importance or lack of importance of the interview. To state it again, a single interview has limited value, impressions from the group have strong predictive value.

Dan Remick, M.D.
Chair, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Boston University
 
good explanation, Dr. Remick. what you're saying is pretty intuitive when one takes the time to think about it. if 2 residents and a faculty member say, "hey, candidate X is kind of a jerk" then you'll probably give it some real consideration, much more so than a single interviewer saying they don't like a candidate. thanks for some data to back up the intuitive point.
 
good explanation, Dr. Remick. what you're saying is pretty intuitive when one takes the time to think about it. if 2 residents and a faculty member say, "hey, candidate X is kind of a jerk" then you'll probably give it some real consideration, much more so than a single interviewer saying they don't like a candidate. thanks for some data to back up the intuitive point.

Nice. Instead of all that, why don't you just write "Dr. Remick, you're awesome. Please accept this $500 and grant me an interview."

Seriously, though, thanks for summarizing his post. 👍
 
This reply is addressed to several people who have asked about the importance of the interview both inside and outside this forum.

Individual impressions from interviews have little value, group impressions from interviews are extremely beneficial.

Back when I was doing medical school admissions, we had some faculty who were convinced that they possessed outstanding insight that would allow them to predict medical student performance on the basis of the interview. Because they were skilled clinicians and respected physicians at a major academic medical center they knew that they could accurately read a candidate within a few minutes.

Unfortunately, data were generated that showed that their prescience was flawed. First, the US postal service did a study showing that experienced human resource personnel could not accurately predict who would go "postal" on the basis of an interview.

Second, I watched those medical students where 2 interviews were excellent, the letters were excellent, but one single interviewer gave a less than stellar evaluation. None of these students ever had a problem. I recieved a substantial degree of grief about admitting a student when the senior faculty were sure that their interview skills had found a flaw. The flaw was in their impression that they could predict future performance.

Third, Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric says in his book Winning that at his best his executive level hiring decisions were correct about 80% of the time. This comes from the person who has been described as the CEO of the century. If his impression is only good 4 out of 5 times, imagine what mere mortals are like.

The point is that a single interview has very poor predictive value.

However, I am a strong believer in concept of quorum sensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing . If several interviewers have the same negative impression of the candidate, even though the numbers and letters of reference look great, then that information needs to be taken seriously. Articles have been written about collective wisdom in making decisions compared to expert opinion and collective wisdom usually outperforms expert opinion.

When making human resource decisions, i.e. hiring, firing, promotion etc the appropriate evaluation includes the synthesis of as much information as possible from a variety of sources. Believing a single source is likely to lead you astray.

Another significant advantage of having multiple sources and interviews in addition to making the correct decision, is that you have buy in from the group because they had the opportunity to provide input.

This was a little long, but there have been numerous posts about the importance or lack of importance of the interview. To state it again, a single interview has limited value, impressions from the group have strong predictive value.

Dan Remick, M.D.
Chair, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Boston University

Dr. Remick
Thank you for your input regarding this issue. We are currently grappling with one candidate in particular. One attending (program director) has a very strong opinion about this person, while the rest of us are very skeptical. Your perspective is very helpful, and I have passed it along to our P.D.
 
Nice. Instead of all that, why don't you just write "Dr. Remick, you're awesome. Please accept this $500 and grant me an interview."

Seriously, though, thanks for summarizing his post. 👍

actually, he already offered me an interview. and it only cost me $300. :laugh:
 
I have often wondered whether it would be practical to offer an 'early decision' program whereby programs make early offers to candidates without interviews.

this is an excellent point, and it's one i've discussed with my friends over the past few months. i think such a system should be instituted, the same way early decision exists for med school admission at most places. while i personally wouldn't have participated because i didn't go into the process with a clear #1, i think many candidates do and would participate. one of the downsides to such a program would be for people like me though. if program X has 4 slots per year and they fill 2 via the early decision in november, well that makes it that much tougher for a regular match candidate. thus i may have to interview at even more places to feel comfortable that i'll match. but for the system as a whole i agree it would eliminated a lot of wasted time and dollars. i wonder if this idea has ever been seriously considered by the ACGME and/or NRMP.
 
The match benefits candidates more than it benefits programs, IMHO. I don't know why anyone would want to go to an early decision type of program. Inevitably that would result in many people "settling" at a choice that is not their #1. You would be faced with many tough decisions and not have a lot of information to evaluate these tough decisions. Having something like an "early decision" may sound appealing when you are on interview #12 and have maxed out your second credit card, but consider it in the appropriate context. Consider having been at one of the programs in the middle of your list - one in which you thought it might be nice when you applied but on your interview day it was a little disappointing, and it has moved down on your list once you saw other programs. Well, that program may offer you a spot. Do you take it? Do you take the risk you get a program even further down your list? Do you roll the dice? Remember, the more "competitive" the program, the more likely people are to jump at an offer, so your chances of getting in anywhere are probably less than that of the match.

This is what fellowship application is like, except fellowship application is a smaller pool of candidates and a smaller list of programs, and it is easier to evaluate them beforehand (because you have more knowledge and advice). It's bad enough with fellowships.
 
Dan,

Stellar reply to the questions. I actually had a real life hospital QA issue come up today and mentioned your quorum sensing, impressing my colleagues who agreed..thanks.
 
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