Interviews with cumGPAs in 3.0-3.3 range?

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it isn't about percentages accepted, it's about the amount of others, within your race, you're competing against.

Landing in the top 33% out of 5000 is easier than doing the same in 20,000.


This process brings out the best in us.
 
Hahal, yeah, I really am 37. You must have checked out my MDapplicant page. I'm kinda old, eh?

Nonsense one is never to old.


Also you look pretty good for medschool. Just how hard is it to get into california med shcools.
 
Nonsense one is never to old.


Also you look pretty good for medschool. Just how hard is it to get into california med shcools.

California med schools seem to have stats just below Ivy league schools (if not the same for some UC schools). Loma Linda has a bit of a lower stat than the UC schools. But, Loma Linda heavily favors the Seventh day adventist applicants. I think USC rivals the UC schools in difficulty of getting in. From what I've heard, UCSF is one of the toughest to get into in California. As an OOS applicant, you likely have to have even better stat than the ones listed in US News book and have a real good reason for wanting to goto that UC school.
These are just opinions formed from reading some books and opinions of others. Someone can correct me if I'm not correct.
 
California med schools seem to have stats just below Ivy league schools (if not the same for some UC schools). Loma Linda has a bit of a lower stat than the UC schools. But, Loma Linda heavily favors the Seventh day adventist applicants. I think USC rivals the UC schools in difficulty of getting in. From what I've heard, UCSF is one of the toughest to get into in California. As an OOS applicant, you likely have to have even better stat than the ones listed in US News book and have a real good reason for wanting to goto that UC school.
These are just opinions formed from reading some books and opinions of others. Someone can correct me if I'm not correct.

Thanks for clarifying the issue of UC admissions. I keep getting asked about this on other sections of studentdoctor, so now I don't have to type up this lengthy response. I think I might make it a sticky.
 
hey idiot there's no such race as PURPLE!! LMFAO!! and then u wonder why ur acceptance rates are lower.. smh...

For the love of Don Imus.........

Are u for real or you r just playing .................

Prejudice will never cease, all bunch of low lifes...............

System corrupt and bringing up insensitive and sensitive lowlifes alike.....

Please ppl think of saving life and not how well u produce freaking melanin.
 
hey idiot there's no such race as PURPLE!! LMFAO!! and then u wonder why ur acceptance rates are lower.. smh...

OH, Not Quite done..

I think we all get it when someone says u r purple or green or white or black

No race actually purple, but they say it to make their statement to airheads like you. You should be wearing a helmet. ******.
 
Can you read?
As I said before, "My only intention in making my original post was that the criteria and measures that apply to you do not apply to me." At first I had typed out "yea, but you are urm." Then I thought the person might get offended so I added "no offense" (It backfired). Silly me for writing literally what I meant. I only wanted to state a fact and not provoke a reaction hence the 1 true statement. A smart-ass comment would have been "Don't you think the color of your skin had anything to do with it?" or something of that nature. That is different from what you did above. You clearly wanted to offend me and knew what you said would provoke a reaction.

Wow, you stupid bitch. Did my post hit a nerve or something? Since when is trying to be tactful and understanding whining? We were actually having a civil conversation trying to see each other's point of view. Tell you what, if it lets you sleep easier, you can call me a racist.
Are you actually this stupid or just trolling?

I'm beginning to think it's the latter. Because, what kind of a person, who's not incredibly pathetic and needs to reaffirm their self worth, brings up an issue that clearly never goes over well on SDN in a thread that had nothing to do with it?

What exactly did pointing out that he's URM contribute to the thread? Do you think you're some genius who's the first to figure out that race tends to matter in American admissions? Should SDN give you an award for your incredibly insightful observation? No, all you wanted was attention, and you got it.

Now not only are you whining about how 'hard' it is for you, you're whining about getting the reaction you were trying to get in the first place?

edit: don't forget the salt.
 
That's exactly what i tried to say before, thank you! yes, many URMs apply to places they shouldn't because they think it's going to help them more than it is. If you are underprepared, you are underprepared. I understand that with my GPA many people may think that about me, but there are extenuating circumstances which i explain well in essays and in person, and my MCAT score and experiences have shown that I'm capable and ready. These are things you don't see on my MDapps, so to the other poster who actually said i wouldn't have those interviews if i were white, maybe you shouldn't make assumptions, because i know EXACTLY why i have an interview at Brown, the one definitive reason, and I am confident that I would have it if i were white, asian, or purple. I'm done defending myself, but thank you TheRealMD for understanding what i was trying to say before about many times minorities having lower acceptance rates because they think it helps them more than it does.

Oh please do share this insight with the rest of us!

What is your cumulative GPA again? 3.15? And BCPM of 3.0? Well I have read the MSAR, and at 3.15 something like 2 percent of all matriculants have this low a GPA. In other words, it is very difficult to get an allo admission with this GPA, all else being equal, and what I and others are suggesting is that what uniquely "qualifies" you in this process is your URM status...no reason to be defensive about something you cannot change, but quite irksome that you deny it is a factor in your "success" this far.

I would be amazed to see a white applicant with a 3.15 with as many interviews as what you report...in fact, I issue that challenge to SDN - with a 3.15 or less, how many allo interviews did you get, and specifically did you get one to Brown, Tufts, or GWU? Can anyone with these stats match 8 allo interviews in early October? Or at least 6 allo interviews at non historically black schools?
 
What exactly did pointing out that he's URM contribute to the thread? Do you think you're some genius who's the first to figure out that race tends to matter in American admissions?
Tell that to the self-proclaimed geniuses who are still in denial.

No, all you wanted was attention, and you got it.
It's obvious I am not going to convince you on this matter. Believe what you want to.

Now not only are you whining about how 'hard' it is for you, you're whining about getting the reaction you were trying to get in the first place?
I never once mentioned my application. I only said the criteria that apply to you and I are different. I never said it was harder for me. Why do you lie? I don't understand what your problem is. It is obvious that you cannot read and your just attacking me, I'm done arguing with you on this thread. You can pm me if you want continue this pointless back and forth.
 
ok...ok...let' s all settle down. I never specified whether "anyone who aplied as non-URM or URM" got interviews in this range. I just wanted to know who got interviews with this 3.0-3.3 GPA range, period. And if you did, I'll check your mdapplicants page to see if you were non-URM or URM. Simple as that.😀

Thanks for the responses guys.
 
WTF.

Can we have ONE thread where people just go "wonk wonk wonk" about being URM? Does it need to be brought up constantly? My gosh... its like if you're black (or another URM) better not even post on here because some ***** is going to remind you, no matter what the thread topic is.

Example:

What color should I wear to an interview?

SDN: Umm it doesn't matter, you're URM!!!!

What is UMDNJ's curriculum...

SDN: -silence! You're URM!!!

Of course I am exaggerating but still.... 🙄 can't we all just discuss what we have in common and that's (presumably) that we're all trying to get into medical school? There are some flaming racists on here and these people need to stop. To those of you who just have an opinon, sometimes your opinon is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

Anyways, good luck to everyone.
 
WTF.

Can we have ONE thread where people just go "wonk wonk wonk" about being URM? Does it need to be brought up constantly? My gosh... its like if you're black (or another URM) better not even post on here because some ***** is going to remind you, no matter what the thread topic is.

Example:

What color should I wear to an interview?

SDN: Umm it doesn't matter, you're URM!!!!

What is UMDNJ's curriculum...

SDN: -silence! You're URM!!!

Of course I am exaggerating but still.... 🙄 can't we all just discuss what we have in common and that's (presumably) that we're all trying to get into medical school? There are some flaming racists on here and these people need to stop. To those of you who just have an opinon, sometimes your opinon is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

Anyways, good luck to everyone.

Silence you're an URM!!!
 
hey idiot there's no such race as PURPLE!! LMFAO!! and then u wonder why ur acceptance rates are lower.. smh...

Umm... didn't anyone else take a HUGE offense to this comment? Are you calling URMs inherently dumb? Or am I just reading too much into this? Whether I am or not, I think that your comments on this thread are unacceptable and completely uncalled for. If you're so insecure about getting into medical school that you are making such rude comments about people you do not even know, there is probably a reason for it. So maybe you should stop wasting so much time in here... get better grades... find a new personality... have sex... do something.

Weren't you the one all upset about never having been kissed at 28 or something? After reading your comments, I am no longer surprised.

**SMH**
 
Free love rocks my world. take that as you will
 
WTF.

Can we have ONE thread where people just go "wonk wonk wonk" about being URM? Does it need to be brought up constantly? My gosh... its like if you're black (or another URM) better not even post on here because some ***** is going to remind you, no matter what the thread topic is.

Example:

What color should I wear to an interview?

SDN: Umm it doesn't matter, you're URM!!!!

What is UMDNJ's curriculum...

SDN: -silence! You're URM!!!

Of course I am exaggerating but still.... 🙄 can't we all just discuss what we have in common and that's (presumably) that we're all trying to get into medical school? There are some flaming racists on here and these people need to stop. To those of you who just have an opinon, sometimes your opinon is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

Anyways, good luck to everyone.


Oh please - we aren't even close to racist..we're just recognizing an advantage in the face of racial quotas. Go to www.m-w.com and look up racist...

we do not believe that "race" alone is defining the character of these applicants, we're just stating the obvious fact that you're at a better shot of applying to schools if you're URM.

Look at my MDAPPS page...if I were URM, I'd be sweeping **** up.
 
Oh please - we aren't even close to racist..we're just recognizing an advantage in the face of racial quotas. Go to www.m-w.com and look up racist...

we do not believe that "race" alone is defining the character of these applicants, we're just stating the obvious fact that you're at a better shot of applying to schools if you're URM.

Look at my MDAPPS page...if I were URM, I'd be sweeping **** up.


Umm...eh..the point was that it does not need to be said evertday....

Three points to "blondnuttyboy":

1. Please, go get laid. all that anger....the spirit of my post wasn't angry in the least, nor was a really disputing any or that crap u posted. This isnt the place for a huge discourse on AA
2. I dont want to look at your mdapps. ok? 🙂 I am not worried about your stats hun.
3. Get over what ever it is you THINK you know about the admissions process. K? SOME (but not all...logic here) of you are racist and thats the truth, now lets get past it. That was the point of my post 🙂
4. (an extra one added in for you!) I love you and wish you the best!
 
Originally Posted by BeatrixKiddo
hey idiot there's no such race as PURPLE!! LMFAO!! and then u wonder why ur acceptance rates are lower.. smh...

SHE's clearly not racist. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MY THINKING!!!

🙄
 
Thanks for clarifying the issue of UC admissions. I keep getting asked about this on other sections of studentdoctor, so now I don't have to type up this lengthy response. I think I might make it a sticky.

I'm doing my undergrad at UCLA, and I can testify that getting into UC schools is basically just as hard as any Ivy Leage school. The reason for this is simply because California has soooo many well qualified applicants applying for the UC schools. Each school is about 90% instate (if not more, they are very instate biased), and because they are a public school system; tuition is lower ... making more applicants. Also, they are all great schools ... so take a huge pool of applicants, a small number of spots, schools that can be extremely selective and offer lower tuition than most privates ... and you do the math. For example, USC ( personally not a fan, but I can admit they have a solid program) has about a 6% acceptance rate, where UCLA has a 2.2% (one of the lowest I have ever seen). In my opinion, CA residents kinda get screwed med school wise, simply because the UCs are just so stinkin' hard to get into.

Note: My stats are just kinda from reading things/knowing med students here etc ... I wouldn't quote me on much, but they are accurate enough to make my point!!
 
2.2% for a state school? That's a lower acceptance rate than Mayo...
 
UCLA med school has an aceeptance rate of about 4.5%, not 2.2%. UCSF is also under 5%, but not as low as 2.2%.

Also, this may be useful to you: http://career.ucla.edu/GraduateSchool&PreProfessionalServices/UCLAMatriculantsToMedSchool.asp

These figures are for 2005, so they are probably pretty accurate today.

From the David Geffen SOM website: "Last year 5,467 applications were received. The Admissions Committee requested supplemental information from approximately 3,000 applicants and interviewed close to 600 students."

There offer around 150 seats ... so

3,000/5,467 = 54.9% received secondaries, 600/5,467 = 11% of those who actually applied (not % of those who received secondaries) were invited for an interview, and finally 150/5,467 = 2.7% accepted. Note: This is not taking into account your chance once you have a secondary, then from there chances of getting an interview, then from there chances of an acceptance (which obviously the numbers would be quite different for). However, just simply taking the number of people who apply, given the number of seats offered ... the rate is 2.7%.
 
From the David Geffen SOM website: "Last year 5,467 applications were received. The Admissions Committee requested supplemental information from approximately 3,000 applicants and interviewed close to 600 students."

There offer around 150 seats ... so

3,000/5,467 = 54.9% received secondaries, 600/5,467 = 11% of those who actually applied (not % of those who received secondaries) were invited for an interview, and finally 150/5,467 = 2.7% accepted. Note: This is not taking into account your chance once you have a secondary, then from there chances of getting an interview, then from there chances of an acceptance (which obviously the numbers would be quite different for). However, just simply taking the number of people who apply, given the number of seats offered ... the rate is 2.7%.

150 seats doesn't mean 150 acceptances. They accept about 300 people a year because not everybody who gets accepted at UCLA ends up enrolling there. Check the acceptance rate in MSAR.
 
150 seats doesn't mean 150 acceptances. They accept about 300 people a year because not everybody who gets accepted at UCLA ends up enrolling there. Check the acceptance rate in MSAR.


In that sense, I meant 150 acceptances - that number has nothing to do with matriculation. I'm actually unsure how many people choose to attend UCLA after their acceptance. I don't know if the MSAR differs, but I'm just getting my info off the Geffen-SOM website.
 
In that sense, I meant 150 acceptances - that number has nothing to do with matriculation. I'm actually unsure how many people choose to attend UCLA after their acceptance. I don't know if the MSAR differs, but I'm just getting my info off the Geffen-SOM website.

Don't be unsure. Someone who used to be on the ad com at UCLA told me that they accept about 300 people a year. This number varies somewhat from year to year, but the acceptance rate is pretty much 4.5%
 
Don't be unsure. Someone who used to be on the ad com at UCLA told me that they accept about 300 people a year. This number varies somewhat from year to year, but the acceptance rate is pretty much 4.5%

Yeah, you are probably right ... I'm just grabbing numbers off the website (plus I have been told it's around 2.5% before), but nothing offical. Not really trying to argue. It's rough either way!! Even though Undergrad admission here is even slightly below 10% (the year I was accepted 45,000 people applied -largest applicant pool in the nation - and 4,000 were accepted), it's just a great (but tough) school all around.
 
US News and World report gives UCLA's acceptance rate as 4.6% last year, which is pretty rough, but not Mayo (2.4% lowest in the nation.)
 
after seeing all the 3.7 GPA's - I'm panicking so here's the scoop

GPA 3.3 (bad)
BCPM 3.2 (worse)
MCAT 12/12/11/Q (ok)
URM - yes - hispanic (south american)

EMT - 5+ years - certified in 2 states - still active member
lots of voluteer work in hospitals
worked for oral surgeon - 2 summers
summer in Mexico working on Red Cross ambulances/in ER's - scrubbed in on some surgeries

advised by my HCEC that I should probably wait a year - do post bac or something to increase my chances

decided to try - applied to 24 schools - none in the top tier

so far:

U MD - hold (and I'm a Maryland resident)
GW - hold
Penn State - hold

Georgetown - NO
Vanderbilt - NO

U VT - interview
Uniformed Services - interview
VCU - interview

16 left to hear from

is there any reason to be optimistic - yeah -yeah - there's always hope - but I'm beginning to believe it won't happen

as I see it, trying to explain the poor GPA isn't going to be easy - does the argument that not all GPA's are equal have any weight? I'm at Cornell -the grading curve is tough - does that matter?

would love to hear from accepted students who made it in spite of a less than stellar GPA

thanks
 
after seeing all the 3.7 GPA's - I'm panicking so here's the scoop

would love to hear from accepted students who made it in spite of a less than stellar GPA

thanks

I have a BCPM of 2.7 and a cum of 2.9 and I haven't had any problems getting interviews. In fact I already have a couple of acceptances. You should be fine.:luck:
 
after seeing all the 3.7 GPA's - I'm panicking so here's the scoop

GPA 3.3 (bad)
BCPM 3.2 (worse)
MCAT 12/12/11/Q (ok)
URM - yes - hispanic (south american)

EMT - 5+ years - certified in 2 states - still active member
lots of voluteer work in hospitals
worked for oral surgeon - 2 summers
summer in Mexico working on Red Cross ambulances/in ER's - scrubbed in on some surgeries

advised by my HCEC that I should probably wait a year - do post bac or something to increase my chances

decided to try - applied to 24 schools - none in the top tier

so far:

U MD - hold (and I'm a Maryland resident)
GW - hold
Penn State - hold

Georgetown - NO
Vanderbilt - NO

U VT - interview
Uniformed Services - interview
VCU - interview

16 left to hear from

is there any reason to be optimistic - yeah -yeah - there's always hope - but I'm beginning to believe it won't happen

as I see it, trying to explain the poor GPA isn't going to be easy - does the argument that not all GPA's are equal have any weight? I'm at Cornell -the grading curve is tough - does that matter?

would love to hear from accepted students who made it in spite of a less than stellar GPA

thanks

http://www.career.cornell.edu/downloads/Health/accapp06.pdf

That's the data for Cornell applicants. That's only for non-URM applicants though so you can expect your chances to be higher. When did you have HCEC send out your letter packet?
 
I have a BCPM of 2.7 and a cum of 2.9 and I haven't had any problems getting interviews. In fact I already have a couple of acceptances. You should be fine.:luck:

Ok, I have to ask. How did you get accepted at your Umich interview?
 
packet went out 8/15/07 - all secondaries completed by 9/15

I have seen those stats for Cornell - the problem is that there we only 6 applicants with my MCATS and my GPA or worse - half didn't make it - not too encouraging
 
packet went out 8/15/07 - all secondaries completed by 9/15

Quite frankly, with a 3.3/35, I would've expected you to do better (although 3 interviews isn't bad). If you went against HCEC's advice, then it might be reflected in their letter. They generally try to write as positive of a letter as possible but they do have to address any possible concerns (as well as rank applicants from Cornell) which is why it's called the Health Careers EVALUATION Committee.
 
HCEC didn't say DON"T apply - just that if I waited a year and did something to enhance my application, I'd have a better shot...seems obvious - actually, they read their letter to me and it was pretty good - did comment that to my credit - I had taken some pretty difficult science classes
 
They read you the committee letter? How'd that happen?
 
MDWANNABE86: your GPA isn't great, but it's not horrible (sub-3.0). Your GPA is very high and balanced, at that. Add in that you are a URM and you went to a very strong undergraduate school, and I think you'll definitely get in somewhere.
 
Umm...eh..the point was that it does not need to be said evertday....

Three points to "blondnuttyboy":

1. Please, go get laid. all that anger....the spirit of my post wasn't angry in the least, nor was a really disputing any or that crap u posted. This isnt the place for a huge discourse on AA

[. . .]
4. (an extra one added in for you!) I love you and wish you the best!


lol my girlfriend (who doesn't practice abstinence) is half hispanic/half African-american.

I love you more. I hope we both land nothing but acceptances and share a night out as med students..I'll buy the whisky sours.
 
I myself have chosen to spend my free time watching trashy reality tv, I mean 'cause who doesn't want to throw in their $.02 about how much of a bi-atch Heidi's being to Lauren on "The Hills?" DON'T JUDGE ME!!!!


👍👍👍👍👍👍👍:laugh:

I just submitted my secondaries so no interviews yet. I'm not URM but I am po'... We'll see.
 
back to the point of the thread:

Science GPA: 3.2
Overall: 3.3
MCAT: 36R

So far, interviews at penn state, tulane, case western, and my 2 in-state schools.
 
I'm glad all this URM mess is being put to rest. So did anyone watch The Hills last night? Isn't it so scandalous that Lauren and Brody are messing around again? And what's up with Justin Bobby? Heidi and Spencer are so over by the end of the season I mean he hasn't even told his parents he's getting married.

To the OP: which schools are you the most concerned about? I have the premium edition of US News so I can look up some interview/acceptance stats if you want.
 
Ok, I have to ask. How did you get accepted at your Umich interview?


I interviewed with Dr. Remick and at the end of it he said he would love to have me at UM and that I would be receiving an acceptance in the mail. I haven't gotten it yet but I hope he wasn't lying!
 
To the OP: which schools are you the most concerned about? I have the premium edition of US News so I can look up some interview/acceptance stats if you want.


Hi, I'm most concerned about Howard Univ, & Rosalind Franklin. And would you know their average GPA/MCAT of accepted applicants as well.?......🙂
 
I interviewed with Dr. Remick and at the end of it he said he would love to have me at UM and that I would be receiving an acceptance in the mail. I haven't gotten it yet but I hope he wasn't lying!

ummm
 
I interviewed with Dr. Remick and at the end of it he said he would love to have me at UM and that I would be receiving an acceptance in the mail. I haven't gotten it yet but I hope he wasn't lying!

I'm confused...😕
1) If no AMCAS schools can give out acceptances before October 15th, how do you have 3?
2) Who is Dr. Remick? because he's definitely not the director nor the dean of admissions...
3) Never listen to interviewers who say you'll get in - they don't make the final decision on applicants. There was a recent thread about interviewers saying stuff like "oh you'll get in for sure," and unfortunately it doesn't necessarily happen...

😕
 
School Howard University (DC) Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science (IL)
Public/Private Private Private
Size 458 750
U.S. News research rank N/A N/A
U.S. News primary care rank N/A N/A
Location
City/State Washington, DC North Chicago, IL
Distance from home (miles) N/A N/A
Admissions
Acceptance rate 6.2% 6.0%
In-state/Out-of-state acceptance rate 23.0% / 6.0% 12.4% / 5.0%
Number of applicants 4,591 7,210
Applicants interviewed 354 672
Number accepted 283 438
Number enrolled 118 184
Average undergraduate GPA 3.34 3.45
MCAT
Overall average composite 8.2 9.7
Verbal reasoning 8.2 9
Physical sciences 7.8 10
Biological sciences 8.7 10.2
Average MCAT writing O P
Academics
Faculty-to-student ratio .5 .9
Graduates entering primary care specialties* 36.9% 48.3%
Graduates accepting in-state residencies (2004 and 2005) 27.3% 29.7%
Cost
Private tuition $24,055 $36,740
Public in-state tuition N/A N/A
Public out-of-state tuition N/A N/A
Required fees $1,636 $160
Room/board and misc. expenses $15,600 $16,000
Financial Aid
Students receiving loans 87.1% 80.9%
Students receiving grants/scholarships 49.6% 39.5%
Average indebtedness (2004) $129,136 $172,179
Student Body
Percent male/female 47.5% / 52.4% 56.6% / 43.3%
Percent minority 95.8% 46.1%
 
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