Is anyone else intimidated by dental school?

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Hello fellow SDNers,

I was just wondering how people were feeling about the idea of going into dental school. It scares me a little bit because I am sure it is what I want to do and I know I have the passion to be a dentist, but the thought of an extremely intensive and rigorous four years in dental school is a little bit intimidating to me, mostly because of my undergraduate habits.

I work 25-30 hours a week and am a full time student, and by the time I get done with my jobs I find myself slacking on my school work because I am so tired from work. This then equates to cramming before the test and getting mediocre grades. (Example 3.3 instead of 3.5+)

From what I've heard undergraduate is nothing compared to dental school, so it scares me to think, "if i cant keep up with undergraduate then how will I keep up with dental school?"

I know in dental school I won't have to work and am just going to take out loans, but is it false to think I can also change my study habits given that I won't have to work jobs, or will dental school classes take place of the jobs and put me into the same undergraduate mess?

Let me know what y'all think I'm curious if other people have these problems??
 
I feel similarly. I told my wife during a run the other day, "I am SO nervous for dental school!!!" It seems so dang intimidating and hard.
 
I know it's going to be really tough. But I'm a bit comforted by the fact that the dental school dropout rate is so low. And that I trust that because the most dental rentals have close to 20 applicants per seat if a school admits me I've earned my place because they only choose people based on their experience that are capable of handling the rigors of their programs.
 
I know it's going to be really tough. But I'm a bit comforted by the fact that the dental school dropout rate is so low. And that I trust that because the most dental rentals have close to 20 applicants per seat if a school admits me I've earned my place because they only choose people based on their experience that are capable of handling the rigors of their programs.


That is a great way to look at things, i respect the positive attitude. I feel like everything else in your life you'll just have to roll with the punches and you'll end up getting through it. 🙂
 
Think of these factors in dental school...
Your entire entering class is on the same exact schedule for the next 4 years and you have all their support and many people to lean on. I think the biggest change from undergrad to dental school will be the fact that there is no way that you can cram for things, you have to study every day even after classes that run from 8-5pm. Consider yourself lucky to have worked in undergrad, if anything your body is used to a schedule you'll have in dental schoolhttp://forums.studentdoctor.net/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=11855421
 
I guess it is also important to take a vacation or break before dental school so that way you are ready to enter dental school and gotten rid of the travel bug or whatever else you may acquire before entering another 4 yrs of school.
 
A good friend of mine told me to have as much fun as I could before starting dental school.
 
Same here. I'm gonna study in a dental school with a mindset that I will jump off a bridge if I am dismissed. too extreme?
 
I guess it is also important to take a vacation or break before dental school so that way you are ready to enter dental school and gotten rid of the travel bug or whatever else you may acquire before entering another 4 yrs of school.

Getting burned out is all too common in dental school. You'll have time for breaks and vacations during summer and winter break as well. A must if you want to keep your sanity.

The only people who really aren't intimidated by dental school are the hardcore gunners (and it's only because they've already accepted the fact that they will be going through 4 years of torture and they deal with it). The rest of us just do whatever we can to stay afloat. and if you aren't intimidated... stop kidding yourself. It's hard. Not impossible, mind you, but hard. Everyone gets through it though it in the end though. Well, most do. :scared:
 
I have always been the top of my class, but I will be average in dental school. I think that this will be the hard part for me. I think I will have to accept the fact that I am an "average" student lol. Don't worry OP, if you can get in, you can get out (by that I mean finish with your DDS/DMD).

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Getting burned out is all too common in dental school. You'll have time for breaks and vacations during summer and winter break as well. A must if you want to keep your sanity.

The only people who really aren't intimidated by dental school are the hardcore gunners (and it's only because they've already accepted the fact that they will be going through 4 years of torture and they deal with it). The rest of us just do whatever we can to stay afloat. and if you aren't intimidated... stop kidding yourself. It's hard. Not impossible, mind you, but hard. Everyone gets through it though it in the end though. Well, most do. :scared:

I guess most people are in the same boat but many don't really talk about it because they are too busy talking about stats, ec's, personal statements, competitiveness, etc. We are all human after all?
 
I have always been the top of my class, but I will be average in dental school. I think that this will be the hard part for me. I think I will have to accept the fact that I am an "average" student lol. Don't worry OP, if you can get in, you can get out (by that I mean finish with your DDS/DMD).

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Thanks! Fellow Washingtonian, man this rain sucks...
 
Hello fellow SDNers,

I was just wondering how people were feeling about the idea of going into dental school. It scares me a little bit because I am sure it is what I want to do and I know I have the passion to be a dentist, but the thought of an extremely intensive and rigorous four years in dental school is a little bit intimidating to me, mostly because of my undergraduate habits.

I work 25-30 hours a week and am a full time student, and by the time I get done with my jobs I find myself slacking on my school work because I am so tired from work. This then equates to cramming before the test and getting mediocre grades. (Example 3.3 instead of 3.5+)

From what I've heard undergraduate is nothing compared to dental school, so it scares me to think, "if i cant keep up with undergraduate then how will I keep up with dental school?"

I know in dental school I won't have to work and am just going to take out loans, but is it false to think I can also change my study habits given that I won't have to work jobs, or will dental school classes take place of the jobs and put me into the same undergraduate mess?

Let me know what y'all think I'm curious if other people have these problems??

Based old D1/D2 tests I've seen from my friends (Immunology, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy), dental school material is definitely not harder than undergrad. I'd say it's equivalent to or a little easier than my junior/senior year courses. What I personally think will make it tough for me is how much there is to cover and in a shorter period of little time. That, and the new courses, like biomaterials and the clinical stuff.

You don't need to get everything right in dental school...you just have to do better than everyone else. Just like in undergrad, don't share your notes or help anyone out, and you'll be fine.
 
I guess most people are in the same boat but many don't really talk about it because they are too busy talking about stats, ec's, personal statements, competitiveness, etc. We are all human after all?

Just wait until you get into dental school.

Everyone complains about undergrad together, complains about taking the DAT together, complains about applying together, complains about going through dental school together. It's the same path everyone goes through when they're on that boat together. But don't worry about it right now. Just get that acceptance and enjoy life while you can.
 
I know a guy at my state school that got a 16 on the DAT and is doing really well in dental school. He's a D4 now and has a high GPA.

It appears to be about perseverance and work ethic than pure intelligence, IMO.
 
Based old D1/D2 tests I've seen from my friends (Immunology, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy), dental school material is definitely not harder than undergrad. I'd say it's equivalent to or a little easier than my junior/senior year courses. What I personally think will make it tough for me is how much there is to cover and in a shorter period of little time. That, and the new courses, like biomaterials and the clinical stuff.

You don't need to get everything right in dental school...you just have to do better than everyone else. Just like in undergrad, don't share your notes or help anyone out, and you'll be fine.

Agree with your first paragraph. Second paragraph, not so much.

Helping people out is fine. I share my notes and help my struggling friends all throughout undergrad, and I plan on doing that too in dental school. You should be confident in your abilities so much that, even if they have your notes, you'll still be able to get higher marks than them. Think of it this way: If you get 100% on all the test, then no one can beat you.
 
Hello fellow SDNers,

I was just wondering how people were feeling about the idea of going into dental school. It scares me a little bit because I am sure it is what I want to do and I know I have the passion to be a dentist, but the thought of an extremely intensive and rigorous four years in dental school is a little bit intimidating to me, mostly because of my undergraduate habits.

I work 25-30 hours a week and am a full time student, and by the time I get done with my jobs I find myself slacking on my school work because I am so tired from work. This then equates to cramming before the test and getting mediocre grades. (Example 3.3 instead of 3.5+)

From what I've heard undergraduate is nothing compared to dental school, so it scares me to think, "if i cant keep up with undergraduate then how will I keep up with dental school?"

I know in dental school I won't have to work and am just going to take out loans, but is it false to think I can also change my study habits given that I won't have to work jobs, or will dental school classes take place of the jobs and put me into the same undergraduate mess?

Let me know what y'all think I'm curious if other people have these problems??

depends on what your goals are. If you just want dentistry and no specialization, you get get by with undergrad level study habits (for the most part ~ ofc I am assuming you have average intelligence).

If your looking to gunner up (top 10-15% of class), yeh, thats like 2-3 times more studying than just passing.... you WILL have to re-adjust EVERYTHING, including how fast you read and memorize.

I'll give you an example, right now we are going through finals weeks (we have, I think 8 finals? I lost count lol).... Anyways, last night I only slept for 2 hours, and tonight, it sure as heck is feeling like an all-nighter type .....its only 9PM, the night is young, I am sick (but not tired) of studying, so I keep taking frequent breaks every 1 hour or so..... I kinda like it to be honest, I am one of these people that works better under-pressure so, I am loving it (and I actually didn't know this about myself until DS started), so you might be the same way.

DS is "hard" but its.... interesting. As far as the material goes, the material is a tad-bit easier than 300/400 level undergrad courses, but because we cover SOOO MUCH in short amount of time, its actually harder than undergrad, HOWEVER, what makes it alot harder isn't the material or the amount, its the tests. The tests, I can honestly say, are about 4 times harder than any undergrad test. VERY specific, minute detail stuff pulled out of no-where. You'll have a 300 point-point lecture, and one question will come form slide #50 based on a written description (written in smaller font) under an image lol.... most of us don't read those cause we are trained to read the actual fonts.

Oh and don't even get me started on midterms and finals where you have questions written by the professor MANY years ago, but as he/she updates the lectures yearly, they don't update the tests (and since tests are collected and never returned) we don't have access to them from upper classmen, these are what I call "WTF" type questions.... no where in the lectures, not talked about in class, but they show up. Its about how much logic and reasoning skills you have to be able to "guesstimate" the correct choice.
 
Based old D1/D2 tests I've seen from my friends (Immunology, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy), dental school material is definitely not harder than undergrad. I'd say it's equivalent to or a little easier than my junior/senior year courses. What I personally think will make it tough for me is how much there is to cover and in a shorter period of little time. That, and the new courses, like biomaterials and the clinical stuff.

You don't need to get everything right in dental school...you just have to do better than everyone else. Just like in undergrad, don't share your notes or help anyone out, and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]

I really hope we don't end up at same school. I share my notes, my recordings, help others understand the material, and I do well not at the expense of others! Best way of learning is by teaching, explain a problem to a friend and you'll see what I mean. So selfish!!!!!
 
From my experience, I believe we all can evolve into the more difficult level of academia. I remember highschool use to be hard but eventually I got the hang of it. College was a rude awakening, my first semester i made like a 3.3 gpa. I took my 3.3 and asked myself how I can change and adapt to the new level of schooling and I eventually came up with formula of discipline and workethics to yield A's. Not everyone start off well in dental school but everyone can better themselves at it. May it be dental school, undergrad, or anything else you are involved with, theres always room for improvement. If you posses the desire to improve im sure you'll do great.
 
To be honest, I'm not too worried. I look at it as an experience. An experience that few people get to have. Yeah, there are going to be long nights and lots of work, but we all knew that coming in right? Rather than looking at the bad, I am actually excited for all the good. Meeting new friends, being in a new place, learning new things (and things that will be relevant to my life career). How many people get to say "Oh man I was up all night studying for my dental school midterms"? Sure it may be terrible at the time, but if you think about it, just being able to say that is pretty damn awesome. I would wager the majority of us would never let ourselves fail, especially not now, not after all the time and effort put in. I say bring it on, and enjoy every minute of it.
 
It's all what you make of it. Don't worry too much. The only thing stressing you is yourself.

I was never top of the class in undergrad, heck I was happy just to pass with a C or B.
Come dental school, and now i'm in the top of the class, and it doesn't have to be all stressful or anything either.

I've never stayed up past 1:30, nor had less than 5 hours of sleep, and i've gotten all A's so far.

It's all about working smart.
 
I really hope we don't end up at same school. I share my notes, my recordings, help others understand the material, and I do well not at the expense of others! Best way of learning is by teaching, explain a problem to a friend and you'll see what I mean. So selfish!!!!!

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You can do well in dental school while helping others. There is no reason to not be a team player!! 👎 for selfishness
 
in my opinion people are just full of it. in elementary school my teachers would warn me how hard middle school was......in middle school your teachers would warn you how strict your high school teachers would be.....in high school teachers warn you about college......so all those people warning you about dental school are probably full of it....however i would imagine that if you wanted to specialize then yes it would be hard....if not. then i dont think it will be that bad........this is america. land of the lazy.......on so many interviews i talked to students who said they partied 4 nights a week there freshmen year.....and they are now getting ready for there residencies...i even talked to guys who said you just need to study 2-3 nights before the exam..........soooooo like i said. dont put much worth to what people say. because in my opnion people just like to over exaggerate things so they can make themselsves feel that they have done what know one else can accomplish.
 

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You can do well in dental school while helping others. There is no reason to not be a team player!! 👎 for selfishness

Based old D1/D2 tests I've seen from my friends (Immunology, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy), dental school material is definitely not harder than undergrad. I'd say it's equivalent to or a little easier than my junior/senior year courses. What I personally think will make it tough for me is how much there is to cover and in a shorter period of little time. That, and the new courses, like biomaterials and the clinical stuff.

You don't need to get everything right in dental school...you just have to do better than everyone else. Just like in undergrad, don't share your notes or help anyone out, and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]

I really hope we don't end up at same school. I share my notes, my recordings, help others understand the material, and I do well not at the expense of others! Best way of learning is by teaching, explain a problem to a friend and you'll see what I mean. So selfish!!!!!

You all can go ahead and help your friends succeed in dental school, just don't complain when you're applying to specialties and the competition is too fierce.
 
This is a strange mentality. If you are destined to be a specialist, you will be. You have to EARN it, not stab everyone in the back and step on anyone you can to get to the top. Remember that those same classmates you didn't share notes with will be your referring docs.
 
depends on what your goals are. If you just want dentistry and no specialization, you get get by with undergrad level study habits (for the most part ~ ofc I am assuming you have average intelligence).

If your looking to gunner up (top 10-15% of class), yeh, thats like 2-3 times more studying than just passing.... you WILL have to re-adjust EVERYTHING, including how fast you read and memorize.

I'll give you an example, right now we are going through finals weeks (we have, I think 8 finals? I lost count lol).... Anyways, last night I only slept for 2 hours, and tonight, it sure as heck is feeling like an all-nighter type .....its only 9PM, the night is young, I am sick (but not tired) of studying, so I keep taking frequent breaks every 1 hour or so..... I kinda like it to be honest, I am one of these people that works better under-pressure so, I am loving it (and I actually didn't know this about myself until DS started), so you might be the same way.

DS is "hard" but its.... interesting. As far as the material goes, the material is a tad-bit easier than 300/400 level undergrad courses, but because we cover SOOO MUCH in short amount of time, its actually harder than undergrad, HOWEVER, what makes it alot harder isn't the material or the amount, its the tests. The tests, I can honestly say, are about 4 times harder than any undergrad test. VERY specific, minute detail stuff pulled out of no-where. You'll have a 300 point-point lecture, and one question will come form slide #50 based on a written description (written in smaller font) under an image lol.... most of us don't read those cause we are trained to read the actual fonts.

Oh and don't even get me started on midterms and finals where you have questions written by the professor MANY years ago, but as he/she updates the lectures yearly, they don't update the tests (and since tests are collected and never returned) we don't have access to them from upper classmen, these are what I call "WTF" type questions.... no where in the lectures, not talked about in class, but they show up. Its about how much logic and reasoning skills you have to be able to "guesstimate" the correct choice.

sounds like a bio question I got on the DAT. Buried in Campbells near the end. In the illustration captions. Never mentioned once in the actual text. Not even a see figure so and so.
 
This is a strange mentality. If you are destined to be a specialist, you will be. You have to EARN it, not stab everyone in the back and step on anyone you can to get to the top. Remember that those same classmates you didn't share notes with will be your referring docs.

Whoa, who said I would be stabbing people in the back and stepping on people?
I won't sabotage someone's project or give them misleading information; I'll just do my best to outdo them in every way possible.

I might not be helpful with school work, but I can charm your pants off on the polo field. I'll be on great terms with my referring docs.
 
Based old D1/D2 tests I've seen from my friends (Immunology, biochemistry, physiology, anatomy), dental school material is definitely not harder than undergrad. I'd say it's equivalent to or a little easier than my junior/senior year courses. What I personally think will make it tough for me is how much there is to cover and in a shorter period of little time. That, and the new courses, like biomaterials and the clinical stuff.

You don't need to get everything right in dental school...you just have to do better than everyone else. Just like in undergrad, don't share your notes or help anyone out, and you'll be fine.

😱
 
Whoa, who said I would be stabbing people in the back and stepping on people?
I won't sabotage someone's project or give them misleading information; I'll just do my best to outdo them in every way possible.

I might not be helpful with school work, but I can charm your pants off on the polo field. I'll be on great terms with my referring docs.

You know, normally I couldn't care less about people on the internet or forum arguments, but after reading your posts on here, and looking at your twitter feed out of curiosity, I have come to the conclusion that you are either a huge troll or a total douche.
 
You know, normally I couldn't care less about people on the internet or forum arguments, but after reading your posts on here, and looking at your twitter feed out of curiosity, I have come to the conclusion that you are either a huge troll or a total douche.

Kind of a 20/80 split. It's cool, I'm not offended. I'm not for everyone.
 
Trust me folks, this whole "I am a gunner, I will not help others so I can specialize" mentality will go down the drain when you start dental school.

Here is the reality, EVEN if you are a top gunner, and wanna hit the top 10%, it is within YOUR BEST INTEREST to help your classmates. In my limited time in dental school I learned one big lesson and that is: you can't be excellent in every class, some classes you'll be brilliant in them, while sucking at others (example handle skills).... your classmates, whom aren't fortunate enough to have your I.Q could have phenomenal hand skills, they can help you with projects that normally would take you 20+ hours to complete on your own (and taking time away from studying for exams)....

Instead, you help your classmates (example hold study sessions with them and explain difficult concepts with (say) biochem) and they in turn, will help you complete a project in less than 2-3 hours (that typically takes 20+ hours to master)...

Trust me, the top gunners, will always outrank everyone else even if they help the class, yes THEY ARE that talented.
 
I agree with people above about sharing things with other people in dental school. The school I just interviewed, It was nice to see that happening such as sharing your notes with all the classmates, giving those notes to the underclassman, and sharing lecture recordings with everyone...etc.
 
Trust me, the top gunners, will always outrank everyone else even if they help the class, yes THEY ARE that talented.

And work that hard? :xf:

I'm of the mindset that, after a certain point, what really separates the people who are at the top and those who are not is hard work and working smartly. And I feel like that point hits somewhere either during college or right before you start a graduate/professional program.
 
I was one of those students that rarely went to class in undergrad and studied at the earliest 2 days before the test and managed a 3.45 in undergrad.

I was a bit burnt out before I started dental school. Never had a summer off in undergrad. Took my last undergrad final in mid July and started dental school less than a week after. Never really got a vacation.

Fall semester of first year, I kept the same undergrad habits and it wasn't pretty. I made As in some classes, mostly Bs, a few Cs, and was also very close to failing a class. I should mention we have 8-9 classes a semester.

Spring semester of 1st year, I started to change a few habits... I made As in half my classes and Bs in half.

This semester (my 2nd year), I completely changed my study habits and I'm on my way to all As and maybe 1 B+.

In short, my cramming habits might of worked for me, but I wasn't happy with my grades. I don't care to specialize, but I also don't like getting Cs or being close to failing. I think it's important to keep up with the material and be smart in how you study and prioritize the material. Also... like someone mentioned earlier... don't skip the small fonts on random slides in your lectures. I can't tell you how many times I've had a question asked over something that wasn't even talked about but was in tiny font on 1 slide out 100 in one of the 15 lectures.
 
I'll just do my best to outdo them in every way possible.

I might not be helpful with school work, but I can charm your pants off on the polo field. I'll be on great terms with my referring docs.

you will quickly become the class pariah at whatever institution you attend.

best of luck with that.
 
I graduated from DS 24 years ago......I am a troll watching this website on my son's account as he goes through the application process. I just couldn't resist chiming in on this thread.

The best metaphor that we came up with while I was school was this:

Dental school is like having a running chainsaw shoved up your ass.......the damage is very evident,but, it is impossible to identify the damage caused by every tooth on the saw.

That being said, as previously stated, everybody is in the same boat. Misery loves company. Your crew will help you get through it........and you will GET THROUGH IT.

Additionally........Good luck to everybody, tonight is going to be a exciting time for everybody. I think you have chosen a great profession and these are going to be times you will remember for the rest of you lives.
 
And work that hard? :xf:

I'm of the mindset that, after a certain point, what really separates the people who are at the top and those who are not is hard work and working smartly. And I feel like that point hits somewhere either during college or right before you start a graduate/professional program.

I couldn't tell you... I am not DS2.... thats the year that ultimately builds (or breaks) class rank since it seems to be the most challenging.

I do however believe, there is a special breed of students, who can pull legitimate all-nights (the night before the test), and score the highest in the class (or at least be one of top 10 scores).... these guys, yeh they only need to study 1 night before, its enough for them.... This is beyond "work ethic", this is more natural ability to memorize HUGE quantity of material and retain it enough for the exam to begin.
 
Greeting to all,

When you start DS, you will tell yourself of these two things shortly:

1. Too much materials given and be expected to master in such a period of time.

2. After school laboratory work that does not leave enough time for didactic study.

In most instances, a person will be strong in either one so when that is the case, you can devote more time to the area that you are weak in. It is very rare that a student is deficient in both so you do not need to worry. As for me, I spent 1/4 of the time needed to complete laboratory work but I spent way way more time in didactic than 99.9% of my classmates did. I am a kind of person that digests the material slowly. There are some things that you can do to make things go smoothly in the next four years:

a. Pay attention in class and reviewed your notes IMMEDIATELY after each class. Try to memorize as much as possible if not the entire thing. If something is not clear, ask for clarification. DO NOT wait until the next day. At the next class period (same class) do the same but again review your last class notes. Keep doing this until the test date. You will see that once this is done, it is very easy to get the material mastered even when volumes are thrown at you.

b. Do your best to complete the lab work while in the lab. Do not play around and plan to complete it after school. Use the time effectively. Trust me, you would rather stay at home relaxing or at the bar having a drink (and review your notes) than staying in the lab. There will be times that you will need to do after hours but again, trust me, 90% can be easily completed while in the lab.

c. Avoid group study whenever possible. In my opinion, it is nothing more than a social meeting than a study session. Be a loner and separate yourself in a corner of the library. You can concentrate much better and study more effectively this way.

d. Have the comfort knowing that everyone is in the same boat with you. You sink they sink. But even in the case that you are the only one that sinks, there are life vests available. DS will do everything it can to keep the student. Dismissing student(s) looks bad on school reputation and is not profitable for them. There is help available for you just for the asking.

e. Have the comfort knowing DS attrition rate is very low. When a person is dismissed, it is likely due to person's lack of commitment rather than fault in the teaching system. If you want to have your DDS/DMD you will get it. Simple.

Dental school is no doubt hard but at the same time very rewarding, Four years will go by very fast before you know it. So do not allow unfounded worries get to you! Good luck! DP
 
This is all really helpful and great to hear, thanks everyone!! Good luck I hope everyone got the call of their dreams today!
 
As a current D1, and heading into finals week, I can say that while the last 4 months were far from pleasant, they were not nearly as horrible as I had thought they were going to be.

That said, I was a bit shocked to find myself not at the top of my class. And that said, I was even more shocked at how quickly I became comfortable with that. After all, there are no A's and B's in DDS. 😉

But I might have a different perspective than most, as I am a 30 year old engineer turned dental student, dad, and husband with a 45min commute (one way). It is comical to hear the single traditional students complain about not having 'time'.
 
I was also intimidated by:
-College applications
-Moving to school and a new roommate
-Living in a city coming from the country
-Bio classes
-Ochem
-Ochem Lab
-Biochem
-Physics blah 👎
-Working 2 jobs during school
-Job search after school was over
-DAT
-Dental school applications
-Dental school interviews
-My parents losing their jobs
-December 1st
-Picking a school
-Affording deposits

Look at your track record. Clearly, if you bring yourself to something, you can bring yourself through it. All my D1 friends did!
 
I was also intimidated by:
-College applications
-Moving to school and a new roommate
-Living in a city coming from the country
-Bio classes
-Ochem
-Ochem Lab
-Biochem
-Physics blah 👎
-Working 2 jobs during school
-Job search after school was over
-DAT
-Dental school applications
-Dental school interviews
-My parents losing their jobs
-December 1st
-Picking a school
-Affording deposits

Look at your track record. Clearly, if you bring yourself to something, you can bring yourself through it. All my D1 friends did!

+1 Thats an awesome way to look at it Dantemac!! 👍


I hate to get all motivational and crap like that, but this is one of my all time favorites! -
"He failed in business in 1831. He was defeated for state legislator in 1832. He tried another business in 1833. It failed. His fiancee died in 1835. He had a nervous breakdown in 1836. In 1843 he ran for congress and was defeated. He tried again in 1848 and was defeated again. He tried running for the Senate in 1855. He lost.The next year he ran for Vice President and lost. In 1859 he ran for the Senate again and was defeated. In 1860, He was elected the 16th President of the United States. He was Abraham Lincoln." BAM
 
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