Is Hampton U Bias?

[NAVYLABTECH08]

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hi all,

Hampton U has a pre-pharmacy program that preselects members for their pharmacy program. These preselected applicants do not even have to take the PCAT or interview. All they have to do is maintain a C average in the pre-requisites. As a result, some of these students are being held up becasue they can't pass anatomy. they get set back to the next class and this means that less seats are now available. Also, this school loves local ladies. A friend of mine in the class of 2010 said the the male to female ratio is like 1:2. They even rejected my buddy for a much less competitive female.

Compare stats between my denied male friend and this accepted female

Male
GPA-3.3
Physics/O. CHM/CAL- 4.0
PCAT-59%

female
GPA-3.5
Physics/O. CHM/CAL -2.5
PCAT-39%

What is up with that? People, something is wrong with this picture. This accepted female took the same science and math classes with my friend the some of her science teachers refused to even write her a LOR! Has anyone else experienced a bias school like this? I heard that Campbell was very bias!

 

[eelo]

hi all,

Hampton U has a pre-pharmacy program that preselects members for their pharmacy program. These preselected applicants do not even have to take the PCAT or interview. All they have to do is maintain a C average in the pre-requisites. As a result, some of these students are being held up becasue they can't pass anatomy. they get set back to the next class and this means that less seats are now available. Also, this school loves local ladies. A friend of mine in the class of 2010 said the the male to female ratio is like 1:2. They even rejected my buddy for a much less competitive female.

Compare stats between my denied male friend and this accepted female

Male
GPA-3.3
Physics/O. CHM/CAL- 4.0
PCAT-59%

female
GPA-3.5
Physics/O. CHM/CAL -2.5
PCAT-39%

What is up with that? People, something is wrong with this picture. This accepted female took the same science and math classes with my friend the some of her science teachers refused to even write her a LOR! Has anyone else experienced a bias school like this? I heard that Campbell was very bias!

You really have no actual knowledge of any of this. Unless you are a member of the adcom, you have no way of knowing the stats of everyone who went before them, you have no idea what they were looking for in their student body, you ave no idea how any of these people interviewed, and you certainly can not speak to wy they were accepted or rejected.

Hampton is a private HBCU and they, like other schools, can set their bar wherever they wish, and they can set any criteria for admission that they wish, without running it past you, me, or the fencepost for our opinion on its 'fairness.' Their scool, their criteria.

Hampton is also a 6-year program in which students admitted to their prepharmacy program have priority for admission into their pharmacy program after 2 years of study at HU. Did your friend take his classes someplace other than HU? If so, there are probably two chances of him getting accepted there: slim and fat. I know someone with a BS in PreProfessional Sciences, a GPA of 3.2/science GPA 3.4, PCAT of 86, and female, who was rejected by HU. Did they reject her because of institutional bias? Possibly, but more than likely, they rejected her because their charter/mandate is to take their own students. Regardless, she got admitted to her #1 choice (HU was #3) so it really doesn't matter.

I'm curious- why do you think the female applicant above is "...much less competitive?" Look again- overall, she's not. But okay, if you want to blame it on 'bias,' go ahead.

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

Do you have any idea what competitive is? A 39% PCAt should eliminate you period. i don't care if you have a 4.0 GPA, a 39% overall PCAT means YOU DON'T GET INTO PHARMACY SCHOOL. You seem to mention over and over again about what I know. Well, what about her physics teacher who refused to even write her a LOR. Maybe the teacher knew she was not PHARM material. A "C" in O. CHm and physics is not competitive for PHARMACY school. i agree with you on one stat, HU is private and can do whatever they want. However genius, even they realize that the pre-pharm program is not in their best interest and now even their pre-pharm students must now take the PCAT and interivew. Giving medicine is important and the most qualified people should be doing that job. If the PCat is not that important, lets just get rid of the whole test. Who even cares about CHM grades where people get Cs. A C in O. CHM and math sounds like a studnet that will have no trouble passing a more a difficult pharmacy program. I appreciate your reply, but you can not deny that this school is potentially spitting out bad pharmacist. HU is turning away worthy candidates, like your friend, for local favors. Its ridiculous. And smart guy, if my friend's 2 chances are slim and fat with a better GPA and better PCAT score than that dumb female,those odds must be good now that she got in. ALso, i really feel that he did not get in becasue he still needed like a history course.

 

[eelo]

Do you have any idea what competitive is? A 39% PCAt should eliminate you period. i don't care if you have a 4.0 GPA, a 39% overall PCAT means YOU DON'T GET INTO PHARMACY SCHOOL. You seem to mention over and over again about what I know. Well, what about her physics teacher who refused to even write her a LOR. Maybe the teacher knew she was not PHARM material. A "C" in O. CHm and physics is not competitive for PHARMACY school. i agree with you on one stat, HU is private and can do whatever they want. However genius, even they realize that the pre-pharm program is not in their best interest and now even their pre-pharm students must now take the PCAT and interivew. Giving medicine is important and the most qualified people should be doing that job. If the PCat is not that important, lets just get rid of the whole test. Who even cares about CHM grades where people get Cs. A C in O. CHM and math sounds like a studnet that will have no trouble passing a more a difficult pharmacy program. I appreciate your reply, but you can not deny that this school is potentially spitting out bad pharmacist. HU is turning away worthy candidates, like your friend, for local favors. Its ridiculous. And smart guy, if my friend's 2 chances are slim and fat with a better GPA and better PCAT score than that dumb female,those odds must be good now that she got in. ALso, i really feel that he did not get in becasue he still needed like a history course.[/quote]

I have been sitting on adcoms (non-pharmacy) and professional education boards for over 15 years, so yes, I do have an idea what 'competitive' is. It is what the school says it is, not what you think or what I think or what the people in the next classroom think.

But what it comes down to, after all that ranting, is that your friend was in fact NOT qualified for admission. Was it, by chance, the required African-American history course that your friend was missing? As an HBCU, they WILL require an African-American history course, and anyone who doesn't have one WILL need to get it. It's like a church-affiliated school requiring a Religion or Philosophy course; it is required, whether you like it or not, and candidates who don't have it can be described in one word: unqualified. I'm going to make a leap of faith here and guess further that, if your friend was missing the AA History course, it was because your friend wasn't a HU student to begin with? They're a 6-year program; they're generally only going to take people who've been in their program since the beginning. I'm not sure why that concept is escaping you.

I live in the area and I've had the chance to meet and work with some graduates of HU's pharmacy program. The ones I've met have seemed to be doing just fine, they've completed school, passed the NAPLEX, and are moving on with their life. I'd say those are "worthy candidates," do you agree? Would you further agree that someone who completed a program with all As and Bs, yet couldn't pass the NAPLEX, would be an "unworthy candidate?" It's all about NAPLEX pass rates, not about GPAs, PCATs, or anything else. It's not about who is the "most" quaslified or who is the "least" qualified; if they complete the program and pass the NAPLEX, they're qualified; there's no most or least about it.

And for the record, the person I know who wasn't admitted to HU is a "local female" who was not admitted because she wasn't part of their 6-year program. They don't take many people from outside their program; I don't know of anyone who transferred into their program (in other words, who was accepted at a point after their first semester).

Your friend stands a good chance of getting admitted to other pharmacy programs. If HU was his/her only choice, and if my assumptions about him/her having done pre-pharm work somewhere other than HU are correct, then your friend didn't do very much research into HU or its program, or how HU chooses its candidates.

 

[NAVYLABTECH08]

Ok,

I think we are saying the same thing here, just in another way. HU is primarily about their pre -pharm students. I think that my friend only applied to them last year. However, he is applying to other schools now. Good luck to anyone, not in the pre-pharm program that tries to class up at HU

 

[heatherkmd]

I am at Campbell and I had not heard that they were biased at all. I know they look at the whole picture, the interview and how the interviewee does is a big determining factor. You have no idea how their interviews went.....I thought most schools have a PCAT cut-off~ that is the only thing that really surprised me about the applicants you mentioned in there post. I hear the incoming class at Campbell has an average of ~90% on PCAT. !!! wow~~

 

[Caverject]

This is in the wrong forum...

and 39% PCAT with a 4.0 gpa is competitive to get into pharmacy school...it should at least get you an interview