Is it better to just take the MCAT and void at this point, or should I cancel/reschedule?

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Hi all,

I am signed up for the April 23rd MCAT. My last day to reschedule is April 8th. I know now with 100% certainty that due to classes, research, volunteering all at once, my MCAT score could be OK, but most likely will not be great.

I definitely will be taking it sometime this summer (I am going to take a gap year, so it won't really matter when), and was thinking at this point, I could just go ahead and take the April MCAT since the ~$100 I would lose won't be much in the long, and I could void it at the end. I would NOT score it.

Would this be dumb? There is a lot of speculation about adcoms being able to hunt down and see if you took the exam and voided it but a lot of people have been saying they can't, or if they can, they don't really have time to look or even care much.

I would prefer to take and void it, since I think it would lower my anxiety a lot about the fingerprinting, constant ID checking, and the general nervousness that comes with a long, high stakes test.

Thanks for reading 🙂
 
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Don't rush the MCAT, I would reschedule it if I were you.
 
If you aren't ready and have any doubt that you won't perform your best, then do not take the test. Adcoms can only see what AMCAS submits to the schools. When you void the exam, it is like you have never taken the test. But keep in mind that if you take the test and get it scored, that score will stay with you forever. I learned that the hard way. If you retake the exam, as per AAMC recommendation, your score is going to be averaged at 75% of the schools. As for taking the exam just for practice, you will be putting yourself through seven hours of misery and then leave wondering what if you have scored really high and just voided that score.
 
If one has the money, then why not take the exam with the intent to void? It seems like it can only help you.

That is what my line of reasoning was. I absolutely will NOT score it, I just do not want a void to hurt me 🙁
 
Right, but I guess what is wrong with voiding it?
I am assuming (please correct me if I am wrong) that now medical schools can view that you have voided.

But, why not just prepare for the exam and take it in april and then take another in june? I mean by end of may you'll get the score from April and if it isn't good you are on the track to take it in june again.
 
That is what my line of reasoning was. I absolutely will NOT score it, I just do not want a void to hurt me 🙁
The void cannot hurt you in anyway, except cause the emotional distress that you are going to feel afterwards.
 
I have seen from a few posts here that adcoms can now see a void (but not a reason for doing the void) if they choose to do so, but I of course am a bit skeptical since there is no real evidence (please correct me if I am wrong) of this.

I am assuming (please correct me if I am wrong) that now medical schools can view that you have voided.

But, why not just prepare for the exam and take it in april and then take another in june? I mean by end of may you'll get the score from April and if it isn't good you are on the track to take it in june again.

I do not not wish to score my exam, my scores on practice tests are OK but when I have time to practice/study more, I am sure I can do better.

The void cannot hurt you in anyway, except cause the emotional distress that you are going to feel afterwards.

I think it will help me emotionally on the real test actually, but I have heard it CAN hurt you.
 
I am assuming (please correct me if I am wrong) that now medical schools can view that you have voided.

But, why not just prepare for the exam and take it in april and then take another in june? I mean by end of may you'll get the score from April and if it isn't good you are on the track to take it in june again.
No they cannot see the voided score. If anything you can always explain that you weren't feeling well and decided to pull-out. No one would question it any further. Taking the test more than once is never a good idea. What if OP scores lower than 500 (i.e 480) and then second time he/she scores 515+. Their actual score would be the average of the two scores.
 
Scoring OK is not a good enough. I'll give you my experience. I was in your shoes OP and I was scoring upper 20s and a 30 on few practices. My actual first score is <20. My second score is 31-35. However, because of the averaging policy, it's a 26.
 
But, why not just prepare for the exam and take it in april and then take another in june? I mean by end of may you'll get the score from April and if it isn't good you are on the track to take it in june again.

Seriously considered reporting you for giving such bad advice. You've been on SDN for a year and made 500 posts - it seems likely that you know this is a terrible idea, and are purposely misleading the OP. As other people have pointed out, schools will see every score, so the best strategy is to do it right the first time.
 
Seriously considered reporting you for giving such bad advice. You've been on SDN for a year and made 500 posts - it seems likely that you know this is a terrible idea, and are purposely misleading the OP. As other people have pointed out, schools will see every score, so the best strategy is to do it right the first time.
OP did not post his practice exam scores here nor the company used. I am giving advice as any premed and as for you threatening me like that, if I wanted to mislead OP, I would have messaged the candidate...not post it out in open for people to dissent. This OP said his MCAT 'could be ok'...no one at the least asked about what that 'subjective' vocab meant...I am the only one to.


OP, you have taken practice exam, right? Please score them and get back. Which company have you used?

Anyways, I am giving an unpopular option and not one that many favor so just choose whichever one you are most comfortable with.
 
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OP did not post his practice exam scores here nor the company used. I am giving advice as any premed and as for you threatening me like that, if I wanted to mislead OP, I would have messaged the candidate...not post it out in open for people to dissent. This OP said his MCAT 'could be ok'...no one at the least asked about what that 'subjective' vocab meant...I am the only one to.


OP, you have taken practice exam, right? Please score them and get back. Which company have you used?

Anyways, I am giving an unpopular option but not one that many favor so just choose whichever one you are most comfortable with.
Yeah, OP go shoot yourself in the foot, but hey, what caliber and who's the manufacture of the gun that you are going to use. As @Gurby pointed out, you should know better by now.
 
Scoring OK is not a good enough. I'll give you my experience. I was in your shoes OP and I was scoring upper 20s and a 30 on few practices. My actual first score is <20. My second score is 31-35. However, because of the averaging policy, it's a 26.

Yes I totally understand this. Is my original post very confusing or something? If so, I apologize.

I do not want to score ok, I want to score well, which is why I want to delay my scored MCAT date. But I have been signed up for the April one for a while, and I know that no one can see a voided score, but I have heard they can see a voided attempt, if that makes any sense
 
Yeah, OP go shoot yourself in the foot, but hey, what caliber and who's the manufacture of the gun that you are going to use. As @Gurby pointed out, you should know better by now.
ok if you dissent, I am not being argumentative here. I know better. In fact, I think that if the OP's attitude is such that he/she isn't even scoring the practice exam, they won't be ready until July because they'll probz need 2 months to prepare................

There. No sugar coating. I think this OP may end up sending scores late. If OP takes it in June, (I'm assuming school is out early May?) OP will only have 1 month.
If OP takes it in July, test score will arrive in August, completing app then. But if that makes chances of a higher score, then so be it. There are some people I know who applied later and scored better, things worked in their favor, for others, it was not but that is how impt the MCAT can be and you just have to decide what is important.
 
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Yes I totally understand this. Is my original post very confusing or something? If so, I apologize.

I do not want to score ok, I want to score well, which is why I want to delay my scored MCAT date. But I have been signed up for the April one for a while, and I know that no one can see a voided score, but I have heard they can see a voided attempt, if that makes any sense
"The only way to prevent scores from appearing in your MCAT testing history is to VOID your exam at the end of your testing session. If you VOID your test, it will not be scored at all, and your participation in that administration of the MCAT will not be reported to any schools at all."

http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/mcat-faqs
 
There. No sugar coating. I think this OP may end up sending scores late. If OP takes it in June, (I'm assuming school is out early May?) OP will only have 1 month.
If OP takes it in July, test score will arrive in August, completing app then

Not to be rude or anything, but did you even read my original post? I am not applying this cycle, so my score would in no way be late.
 
Not to be rude or anything, but did you even read my original post? I am not applying this cycle, so my score would in no way be late.
then why in the world are you panicking? Lose the money and run with comfort, you got all the time you have. I scanned your post and missed it, but I though that you taking gap year was because you were going to utilize the time to apply? Unless you're taking 2 gap years? But regardless, for now and coming, I would suggest that if you are too busy to score practice exams, use online Full lengths offered by companies (they are expensive but not compared to purchasing the whole course). This way you can track your progress.
 
then why in the world are you panicking? Lose the money and run with comfort, you got all the time you have. I scanned your post and missed it, sorry. But regardless, for now and coming, I would suggest that if you are too busy to score practice exams, use online Full lengths offered by companies (they are expensive but not compared to purchasing the whole course). This way you can track your progress.

I guess I am "panicking" because voided attempts can be seen, but I am not understanding if there is an impact of having an attempt, but no score, if that makes sense.
 
I guess I am "panicking" because voided attempts can be seen, but I am not understanding if there is an impact of having an attempt, but no score, if that makes sense.
If it is just money that is the issue and you want to get an experience out of taking the exam, just don't. It's no use, please. I just threw my idea in incase you were getting like a 505 on the kaplan fls because I know that company really deflates scores.

Follow the link I posted. I believe gonnif is an adcom so what he says in it is worth listening to. I am not an expert in mcat test taking and this new mcat is a whole new hodgepodge of things.
 
I guess I am "panicking" because voided attempts can be seen, but I am not understanding if there is an impact of having an attempt, but no score, if that makes sense.
I cannot find anything official on AAMC, but since the new general consensus is that it can be seen, then I have to go with the flow. But regardless, this voided MCAT isn't on your AMCAS application, only on a report that someone can look up. No one will knit-pick OP. There is a myriad amount of acceptable answers as to why you voided the exam. If you are a good candidate all around then you will get an interview. This whole mcat history report is kinda like the rule about lying on your application. It's not likely that someone will verify the validity of your listed experience, especially since schools get 5k+ applications. But I have seen posts on here before about people s*ing themselves when they got caught and asking for advice.
 
Well that's not good. I no-showed twice for the new exam (my head wasn't all the way straight lel).
 
You will have 10 minutes at the end of the exam to decide to void. Do you want to be at the end of perhaps the most stressful day you will have in this process, worn, nervous, unsure, to have to make a decision to void or not. A just "OK" score is more problematic than a void. Go into the MCAT feeling confident and ready not already considering the possibility of a void before you even start. The head game and attitude is the real battle in MCAT
Kaplan prep actually spends half a lesson talking about this exact concept. Unless you are in dire circumstances on test day, like getting sick (or perhaps taking it on 1 hour of sleep like me 😀), you should NEVER void. You want to go in feeling that there is a 0% chance of voiding, even if you feel like the test did unspeakable things to you.
 
If you aren't ready and have any doubt that you won't perform your best, then do not take the test. Adcoms can only see what AMCAS submits to the schools. When you void the exam, it is like you have never taken the test. But keep in mind that if you take the test and get it scored, that score will stay with you forever. I learned that the hard way. If you retake the exam, as per AAMC recommendation, your score is going to be averaged at 75% of the schools. As for taking the exam just for practice, you will be putting yourself through seven hours of misery and then leave wondering what if you have scored really high and just voided that score.

Where does it say this? I've read on a lot of med school websites they will look at the most recent score, while taking into consideration the second or that you have taken it twice.
 
Where does it say this? I've read on a lot of med school websites they will look at the most recent score, while taking into consideration the second or that you have taken it twice.

The 75% number is entirely made up but yes a fair number of evaluators do average multiple MCAT scores per as what gonnif stated that's what the AAMC recommends. Many schools will tell you if you ask them "we use the highest score" which can often mean they use the highest score in what they report in MSAR, not that the highest score is magically the only one used in evaluation. Schools have every incentive to tell you "well use the highest score". In reality, the process is much more complicated and varied than that.

This is often a rather variable and subjective topic. Even within a particular medical school there can be ADCOMs who disagree on this and will view multiple MCAT scores differently. I know of this being the case personally at more than one school.

As a general rule, one score is always better than two. And really whether or not a school averages is besides the point. It should be relatively straightforward that someone who takes a test more than once to get a certain scores is showing something different than someone who simply has to take it once to reach that score. How each school or evaluator will look at them differently(and therell be some who dont really) varies, but it just follows basic logic. Just like having to retake a class to get an A is different than getting an A on the first attempt(yes an individual class and the MCAT are different but that's besides the general point).
 
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A voided exam is never scored. There is no score to report, no scoring report is produced and none is "pushed" out to the schools.
Every exam attempt however is always tracked by AMCAS. It will not say why there is no score associated with exam attempt. Most schools will never see this see this as the vast majority use automatic populating of their internal application system. However, if a school "manually" looks up your ID in the MCAT reporting system an exam attempt can be seen as scheduled but again, it would say nothing as to why there is no score report associated with it. This change in system reporting was instituted with the new MCAT reporting system in 2015.

That however, the concern over a void issue was not the reason I suggested this OP reschedule . It was the below comment by the OP.



You will have 10 minutes at the end of the exam to decide to void. Do you want to be at the end of perhaps the most stressful day you will have in this process, worn, nervous, unsure, to have to make a decision to void or not. A just "OK" score is more problematic than a void. Go into the MCAT feeling confident and ready not already considering the possibility of a void before you even start. The head game and attitude is the real battle in MCAT

Gotcha, thank you. So it seems like the voiding is not the problem, just the fact it's hard to make that decision to do so.
 
http://www.med.wisc.edu/education/md/admissions/frequently-asked-questions-faqs/108
Data from the AAMC suggest that applicants who took the MCAT more than once perform in medical school most like applicants who only took the MCAT once and had the average of the multiple scores. In other words, someone who took the MCAT twice and had total scores of 28 and 32 is most likely to perform in medical school like someone who took the MCAT once and had a score of 30.
The 75% number is entirely made up but yes a fair number of evaluators do average multiple MCAT scores per as what gonnif stated that's what the AAMC recommends. Many schools will tell you if you ask them "we use the highest score" which can often mean they use the highest score in what they report in MSAR, not that the highest score is magically the only one used in evaluation. Schools have every incentive to tell you "well use the highest score". In reality, the process is much more complicated and varied than that.

This is often a rather variable and subjective topic. Even within a particular medical school there can be ADCOMs who disagree on this and will view multiple MCAT scores differently. I know of this being the case personally at more than one school.

As a general rule, one score is always better than two. And really whether or not a school averages is besides the point. It should be relatively straightforward that someone who takes a test more than once to get a certain scores is showing something different than someone who simply has to take it once to reach that score. How each school or evaluator will look at them differently(and therell be some who dont really) varies, but it just follows basic logic. Just like having to retake a class to get an A is different than getting an A on the first attempt(yes an individual class and the MCAT are different but that's besides the general point).

That makes complete sense, thank you!
 
Right, but I guess what is wrong with voiding it?

If you take the exam and then void it, how exactly has this helped you at all?

You won't know how you did on the test unless you have it scored. You could take it and think you did badly and then come back with a great score. Or you could think you did great and then end up doing poorly. So taking the exam for 'practice' and then voiding it is a real waste of your time.

Take the test when you feel ready. Plan to just take it once. Do not take it, get a bad score, and then immediately retake it. That would be making a bad situation worse.
 
Hello everyone,

I am in a rather similar situation as the @kitkat13 so I thought I would continue on this thread .


I registered to take the MCAT on August 25th. 95% of content review is finished. The amount of content review that is left does not scare me because they are subjects that I am familiar with and only need to refresh a few ideas.


However, the closer I get to the test date, the less confident I feel. I have not taken any full lengths and I am afraid that two weeks of practice with full length will not be enough. Basically, I think emotionally, I am not where I want to be and it is only getting worse.

My plan is to only write this exam ONCE, so I do now want to go in there with the thought that I am going to void it.

The next time I can take the MCAT is next summer year. However, taking the mcat next year significantly complicates my situation.


I was wondering what are your suggestions? Should I take a few more days then assess? then if things do not improve, I will have to accept that writing it next year is a better bet?


I appreciate your time for reading my post
Many thanks
 
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Hello everyone,

I am in a rather similar situation as the @kitkat13 so I thought I would continue on this thread .


I registered to take the MCAT on August 25th. 95% of content review is finished. The amount of content review that is left does not scare me because they are subjects that I am familiar with and only need to refresh a few ideas.


However, the closer I get to the test date, the less confident I feel. I have not taken any full lengths and I am afraid that two weeks of practice with full length will not be enough. Basically, I think emotionally, I am not where I want to be and it is only getting worse.

My plan is to only write this exam ONCE, so I do now want to go in there with the thought that I am going to void it.

The next time I can take the MCAT is next year ( because I don't want to prep for mcat and study full time at the same time). However, taking the mcat next year significantly complicates pretty much everything in my life and that is why I have been pushing myself to take it this summer.

I have a solid foundation in sciences and are used to taking tests with limited time, but mentally and emotionally I feel "spaced-out". It is hard for me to accept not to take the mcat this summer, especially after all my investment, both in terms of money and more importantly energy.

I was wondering what are your suggestions? Should I take a few more days then assess? then if things do not improve, I will have to accept that writing it next year is a better bet?


I appreciate your time for reading my post
Many thanks

How are you doing on the practice tests?
 
That will give you a better idea if you should reschedule or not.

Thank you for your post.
I took section bank questions and made a half length out of it. All my sections are 50% or less except CARS 68%

I rescheduled for september 9th. This means I cannot apply for this cycle and have to apply for next cycle.
Since any date after august 31st would be considered for the next cycle, I am thinking of even doing a later, maybe January.

Problem is:
1. I have already paid for the test and to reschedule it
2. I have already spent time and energy

On one hand, doing it later during the year may make things worse since I will already be in my second year in pharmacy and keeping As everywhere is only going to get harder.

On the other hand, I know that it is not recommended to do the mcat and study full time, but I am thinking I have covered the whole material and now I need to practice and tone it.


Any thought or suggestion would be much appreciated?
 
I think if you are going to study for the mcat with a full load of courses, you should be confident that you will have at least a few hours everyday for most days of the week to study consistently. Consistency is key. Though it is ideal for some people, you don't necessarily need 8 hour chunks of time every time you study. You just need a routine. Plus, you've already put in a lot of the work so you are no where near starting from scratch. That being said, one month may not be sufficient to get a very high score, whether you will be taking classes or have this entire month devoted to mcat studying. Better to postpone to early next spring and have sufficient time to put several hundred hours of extra prep over a more extended period of time than just a month, since you will be applying next year anyway.
 
I think if you are going to study for the mcat with a full load of courses, you should be confident that you will have at least a few hours everyday for most days of the week to study consistently. Consistency is key. Though it is ideal for some people, you don't necessarily need 8 hour chunks of time every time you study. You just need a routine. Plus, you've already put in a lot of the work so you are no where near starting from scratch. That being said, one month may not be sufficient to get a very high score, whether you will be taking classes or have this entire month devoted to mcat studying. Better to postpone to early next spring and have sufficient time to put several hundred hours of extra prep over a more extended period of time than just a month, since you will be applying next year anyway.

Thank you for your post, I appreciate it.
I am just wondering if I will be able to keep the same mindset once Uni starts again, because even though I may be able to make time for practice, I will also be studying a whole lot of other material. Will be able to keep everything in place in my head? I tried to study for the mcat material that were linked to those courses I was studying last year ( example physiology). But I couldnt because studying for each purpose required a different a mindset.

Also, if taken next year, a lot of things will probably "evaporate" because reviewing and practicing wont be concatenated.
 
reschedule. do not plan to go in and take a void.

Hi gonnif, I read your comments about voiding vs. rescheduling an MCAT but I think my situation is different. I can still cancel and get my money back. I'm planning to take the MCAT and void it. I am 100% not prepared. I realize that adcoms can see an attempt with no score if they check, but I am ok with that. But I was wondering if it is looked at negatively by adcoms? That's my issue, not the money. Thank you!!
 
If you are not prepared than why on earth are you taking the MCAT

I am preparing for it but I am not yet prepared. So I actually may not be taking the mcat. But I am interested in still attempting the test to get a feel for the exam. Is an attempt without a score a negative point for an applicant if adcoms happen to manually check for that?
 
I am preparing for it but I am not yet prepared. So I actually may not be taking the mcat. But I am interested in still attempting the test to get a feel for the exam. Is an attempt without a score a negative point for an applicant if adcoms happen to manually check for that?
If you have the $300 then sure why not.

Edit: I guess that going to your location and testing KNOWING you're going to void is kind of pointless. N=1 here but my actual MCAT results were the polar opposite of how I felt walking out of the testing center.
 
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I am preparing for it but I am not yet prepared. So I actually may not be taking the mcat. But I am interested in still attempting the test to get a feel for the exam. Is an attempt without a score a negative point for an applicant if adcoms happen to manually check for that?
You're supposed to "get a feel for it" with the AAMC practice materials, not by taking and voiding an actual test! That doesn't even get you results, so you won't even know how you did. You can put yourself through simulated test conditions using the AAMC practice tests, and get a scaled, predictive score. My opinion is that you should cancel your MCAT in advance if you know going in that you will void.
 
But I am interested in still attempting the test to get a feel for the exam. Is an attempt without a score a negative point for an applicant if adcoms happen to manually check for that?


There is an ultra cheap and reliable way to do that and it's called "official full-length practice tests."
 
Hi gonnif, I read your comments about voiding vs. rescheduling an MCAT but I think my situation is different. I can still cancel and get my money back. I'm planning to take the MCAT and void it. I am 100% not prepared. I realize that adcoms can see an attempt with no score if they check, but I am ok with that. But I was wondering if it is looked at negatively by adcoms? That's my issue, not the money. Thank you!!

They can't see the attempt. I have called AAMC multiple times. Others have called multiple times. There is no way adcoms can see it. Absolutely no way.
 
Just almost absolutely no way. See my extensive previous posts on the subject with all the details.

I did. You states that there is a special portal which can be used to see this, but AAMC vehemently denies any sort of portal which does this.

NO ONE at AAMC knows about a portal. It is fake news generated by these forums.

Since all of my conversations have been recorded, it doesn't bode well for AAMC if those portals exist, so please let me know if you have some evidence.
 
AAMC staff is absolutely correct that at no time will the MCAT Score Reporting System or any score report show to any school that a exam attempt was void.

Where you got the phrase "special portal" I have no idea. Is is simply the MCAT Score Reporting System and how it works.

See page 24 of attached (which refers solely to the student's or the MCAT Exam Takers ability; it does not refer to a school's ability)
"Indication of a voided exam will be displayed in the MCAT Score Reporting System after the scheduled score release date, but your decision to void an exam is not released to any medical schools."

So all your attempts will be listed in the MCAT Registration System which is where the dates in MCAT score reporting system are generated from.

While all MCAT exam score reports are automatically sent to the schools which are automatically updated to your AMCAS/Admission file, schools can manually lookup an AMCAS ID and go manually get a score report. All your attempts will be listed by date. There will never be any indication of a void. However, if a user where to click on an MCAT date for a applicant that, for whatever reason has no score associated with it (cancellation, technical error, or void) , it will came back with some message that no score is available. Again, at no time will the word "void" appear. And, again, it is so unlikely in this entirely automated that anyone would go back and manually check nor is it likely they would interpret as anything other than no score available.

One reason that a school might look into the manual system is that if someone applies with no score and has a planned date, the school has no way of knowing if the date has been changed or cancelled. So lets suppose you void the exam for that planned date so no score is available and thus no report is sent to the school. A contentiousness admission director might see the planned date has passed, no report has shown up, and thinking it was a technical glitch, goes into the MCAT Score Reporting System , finds the planned date, clicks on it and a message shows up with "No Report Available". It will say nothing else at all.


Haha. It is funny how there is NO EVIDENCE for this statement you made in the post. I have called AAMC multiple times in the past and asked specifically about this supposed way about checking score reports, and they stated that there is no such thing!!!!

Please find evidence for your claim. If not, this is fake news.
 
Haha. It is funny how there is NO EVIDENCE for this statement you made in the post. I have called AAMC multiple times in the past and asked specifically about this supposed way about checking score reports, and they stated that there is no such thing!!!!

Please find evidence for your claim. If not, this is fake news.
Aside from coming off sounding pretentious, it doesn't matter. The level of effort that one would have to go through to check for an equivocal answer makes the chance of such a thing adversely affecting you negligible.
 
Aside from coming off sounding pretentious, it doesn't matter. The level of effort that one would have to go through to check for an equivocal answer makes the chance of such a thing adversely affecting you negligible.

I think it is more about the legitimacy of the users who post such things with confidence. Identifying those users helps students like me understand which users are trustworthy (although we should always be on watch for inaccurate information).
 
Haha. It is funny how there is NO EVIDENCE for this statement you made in the post. I have called AAMC multiple times in the past and asked specifically about this supposed way about checking score reports, and they stated that there is no such thing!!!!

Please find evidence for your claim. If not, this is fake news.

I would trust @gonnif who has been working on getting people into med school for many years over you.
 
I would trust @gonnif who has been working on getting people into med school for many years over you.

You can. Or, you can actually figure things out yourself by calling AAMC. Not a very good trait for a physician to accept statements that are not backed up by evidence, and blindly accepting the statements of a supposed "expert" is not very scientific.
 
You can. Or, you can actually figure things out yourself by calling AAMC. Not a very good trait for a physician to accept statements that are not backed up by evidence, and blindly accepting the statements of a supposed "expert" is not very scientific.

Well said. I'm a big fan of questioning everything, especially supposed authority/experts.
 
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