Is it important to attend a school located in the region you want to practice in eventually?

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I'm making a decision between two schools similar in prestige (low-mid tier), one in the northeast and one in the midwest. I would like to match to a residency in the northeast eventually, and the match lists for both of these schools favor the regions they're located in. I prefer the midwestern school but want to make sure I'm not jeopardizing my chances of matching/practicing in the northeast. Is this something I should be concerned about?
 
That doesn't make sense. You should look at the residency programs in the area you prefer to see if they have regional preferences, not the other way around. The match lists with regional preferences are more likely due to self-selection and much less likely due to the fact they couldn't get in anywhere outside the school's region. You're trying to decide between NYMC and Beaumont? For a new-ish school, Beaumont has pretty kick*ss matches. Go to the school you think you'd be happier at.
 
curbsideconsult said:
That doesn't make sense. You should look at the residency programs in the area you prefer to see if they have regional preferences, not the other way around. The match lists with regional preferences are more likely due to self-selection and much less likely due to the fact they couldn't get in anywhere outside the school's region. You're trying to decide between NYMC and Beaumont? For a new-ish school, Beaumont has pretty kick*ss matches. Go to the school you think you'd be happier at.
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You're probably fine at both places, assuming that's your choice.
 
WingedOx said:
ah, well, in that case you're screwed.


/though seriously, if you name the schools, we could be of more assistance.
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Ha!

Yes, it would be more helpful. I quite understand the urge (and probably necessity) to try to be as anonymous as possible while getting helpful advice. But it really doesn't make sense to be this cryptic when previously OP had started a thread where she wanted help deciding between NYMC, OUWB, and SLU with specific pros/cons of each school.
 
curbsideconsult said:
Ha!

Yes, it would be more helpful. I quite understand the urge (and probably necessity) to try to be as anonymous as possible while getting helpful advice. But it really doesn't make sense to be this cryptic when previously OP had started a thread where she wanted help deciding between NYMC, OUWB, and SLU with specific pros/cons of each school.
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In this case, I didn't think it was necessary to name the two schools but it's NYMC and SLU.
 
Med Ed said:
It's not the endless financial train wreck that has been NYMC, and it's not on probation like SLU. OUWB is a solid school directly connected to a massive (and busy) health system with abundant GME.
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Why is NYMC an endless financial trainwreck?
 
FlavivirusProtease said:
Why is NYMC an endless financial trainwreck?
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Losing money for years. Even the Catholic Archdiocese of NY couldn't help them, which is saying a lot. I've been told by a faculty colleague who collaborates with someone at NYMC that half of the research faculty have fled since the takeover by Touro.
 
Goro said:
Losing money for years. Even the Catholic Archdiocese of NY couldn't help them, which is saying a lot. I've been told by a faculty colleague who collaborates with someone at NYMC that half of the research faculty have fled since the takeover by Touro.
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Outside of fewer and maybe lower quality pubs, is that a real issue though?
 
Goro said:
Fewer research opportunities for the students.
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That's not too bad I guess. I don't really feel at home in a research lab unless it's broke. I'm working at a big research school on the west coast right now, and it scares me how much money people spend on a whim here.
 
Med Ed said:
You can find the actual letter here, for some reason.

The short answer is that it's on probation for a constellation of rank amateur mistakes pointing towards a broader culture of mismanagement.
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Interesting, though I also remember GWU (or was it Rozzie Frank's?) probation letters years ago. I think the LCME does this for anyone they ding.

Reading that was darkly amusing though. Some of it certainly looks like Brown M&Ms problems, but other stuff like...

The medical school and its clinical affiliates do not share responsibility for the learning environment in clerkships. They have not conducted periodic evaluations of the learning environment in order to identify positive and negative influences on the maintenance of professional standards, develop and conduct appropriate strategies to enhance positive and mitigate negative influences, and identify and promptly correct violations of professional standards.

...and...

Currently, the responsibility for linking and mapping learning objectives to educational program objectives and outcome assessments is at the level of individual courses and clerkships. Neither the Curriculum Management Committee nor the Curriculum Oversight Committee has an effective, centralized system in place for ensuring linkage of course/clerkship objectives to educational program objectives or outcomes across the curriculum.

...being done poorly is hardly unique to SLU. I'm pretty confident that my own school was good at making sure the Is were dotted and the Ts were crossed on the paperwork involving this stuff, but goddamn if they didn't suck at it in practice.
 
FlavivirusProtease said:
Why is NYMC an endless financial trainwreck?
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NYMC associated itself with the Catholic Archdiocese back in the early 1980's, and with it the loose network of Catholic hospitals in that part of New York. The problem was that NYMC was essentially placing a bet on the financial success of said network, and it didn't turn out so well. Westchester Medical Center, the main academic hospital affiliated with NYMC, required bailouts in the millions from public funds.

The Archdiocese itself regularly ran (runs?) in significant debt, relying on the gradually withering support of the faithful to keep itself afloat. And then there were all the court settlements.

My understanding is that Touro bought NYMC for a song, essentially agreeing to take the institution's debt in lieu of payment. Given the overall situation I don't think it's surprising that few want to be there these days.
 
The school’s leadership and faculty created the “School of Medicine
Strategic Outlook 2016-2017.” While this document contains a list entitled
“measures of progress” under five headings, the majority of these measures
are not quantified. Completion dates are not included and responsible
individuals/groups are not identified. The survey team reviewed the
school’s continuous quality improvement process and determined that it
does not establish short- and long-term programmatic goals

Reading that felt like getting dinged by JCAHO for having a box not checked in your (otherwise completely useless) mental health treatment plan.
 
WingedOx said:
The school’s leadership and faculty created the “School of Medicine
Strategic Outlook 2016-2017.” While this document contains a list entitled
“measures of progress” under five headings, the majority of these measures
are not quantified. Completion dates are not included and responsible
individuals/groups are not identified. The survey team reviewed the
school’s continuous quality improvement process and determined that it
does not establish short- and long-term programmatic goals

Reading that felt like getting dinged by JCAHO for having a box not checked in your (otherwise completely useless) mental health treatment plan.
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I am getting flashbacks to the “Biased Humanities Professor” thread.

Just tell them what they want to hear
 
Wouldn't SLU being on probation make them work hard to improve the program? I feel as if it may turn into a positive
 
Mrd7889 said:
Wouldn't SLU being on probation make them work hard to improve the program? I feel as if it may turn into a positive
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I know that probation is a scary word to pre-meds, but really, it's just fixing a lot of administrative stuff. As Med Ed points out, it was fairly amateurish mistakes
 
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