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It seems as though nearly everyone who gets into the top med schools went to a highly prestigous undergraduate institution. How plausible is it for the rest of us to get into these schools? Anyone out there from state schools on their way to Johns Hopkins or Columbia, or are we stuck in the same rut for good?
 
sorry dude, its the rut for you +pity+
 
Looking at mdapplicants.com, people from BYU, Earlham, East Carolina U, Emory, Fashion Institute of Technology, UCSB, University of Arizona, University of Central Florida, USC, U of Texas, and U of Wisconsin have been accepted to Harvard in the past two cycles.

Just saying.

Note: I'm not saying that any of these schools aren't fabulous. Just saying that they're generally not considered Ivy or pseudo-Ivy.
 
The people who got into the highly prestigous undergrad schools got into those schools for a reason. If you really want to get into a top school from a state school, you have to prove yourself on a standardized test. That's what the MCAT's are for.
 
One of my friends from Brandeis got into Harvard's MD/PhD program. Another got into UMass, which is difficult even if it is a state school. Both went to Brandeis, which is by no means prestigious (still a high quality school though).
 
Hah, that's pretty funny... FIT, with a minor in Runway Modeling.

I go to UT. I "chose" to attend that school (hah!) because it was the only school that would take me, out of the ten that I applied to, and even then only because of my fantabulous SAT score.

Anyway, it's been a fun three years, but I'm ready to kick it elsewhere. I'll let my fellow state school losers know what's up.
 
Its sad, but true. It helps to get into good med schools if you have done ur undergrad at a prestigious institution. However, about 5-10 percent do come from state schools. Usually, they have great MCAT scores to help them out.
 
CyberTammy said:
Are you kidding??? You actually believed that file... people make up a lot of stuff on there and thats definitely not a real person.

Heh -- I didn't actually read the file, just grabbed the school names. Damn, now I'm really disappointed. FIT was totally where I wanted to do my residency.
 
How is it sad?

There's a big difference between schools and their student body. At top medical schools, everyone who is going to be accepted have great stats.

If the average premed went to night school and got straight A's against working mothers taking classes part time, that should be considered. If you attend a school that has an average MCAT of 30+, then a student who gets a B or an A in a typical premed class must be re-evaluated.

You realize you'll bitch about this, but you'll want it both ways.

That is... if you get into a top 10 medical school, you will expect it to help you for residencies. But by your own logic, you won't deserve extra consideration b/c the medical school curriculum is fairly standardized and it should simply go by class rank and usmle scores. 🙄
 
Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by posts like these that say anything besides a top 10 school means they're "in a rut"? 😡 I mean, there are tons of ppl who would kill for a spot at some lower tier school like Finch just because it means they're gonna be doctors. 🙄
 
sunflower79 said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by posts like these that say anything besides a top 10 school means they're "in a rut"? 😡 I mean, there are tons of ppl who would kill for a spot at some lower tier school like Finch just because it means they're gonna be doctors. 🙄

/ME MURDERS SUNFLOWER.
 
/me realizes that MEG@COOL is a IRC dork.

...

/me realizes that ive given myself away... it was a long time ago, ok?
 
mikedc813 said:
One of my friends from Brandeis got into Harvard's MD/PhD program. Another got into UMass, which is difficult even if it is a state school. Both went to Brandeis, which is by no means prestigious (still a high quality school though).

Harvard shouldn't come as a surprise. Umass, if you are in-state .... you're good to go.
 
docmorgan said:
It seems as though nearly everyone who gets into the top med schools went to a highly prestigous undergraduate institution. How plausible is it for the rest of us to get into these schools? Anyone out there from state schools on their way to Johns Hopkins or Columbia, or are we stuck in the same rut for good?

Have you thought about mortgaging your parents' house and making a generous contribution to one of those top medical schools?
 
This may be cliche but I think it's true. If let's say Harvard is considering two students who have identical stats and ECs and the only difference is that student A went to an Ivy league school and student B went to a state U that is not known for it's academics. In this case Harvard would choose student A because it is assummed that it will be much harder to get the same gpa at a top school than at the state school indicating that person A will perform better in med school. Based on this I think that students coming from schools not known for their academics need to have a higher gpa than those coming from top notch schools to compete for the top med school spots. Of course since it is highly unlikely that there will be two candidates that are identical except for their school, this shouldn't be a concern.
 
It's definitley possible - I goto a state school known for more or less having an open admissions policy because it's an urban campus and has a mission to admit those who are underpriveleged - as such its academic prestige is no where near ivy level. And I know several people who've made it to top 15 med schools. Sure you might have to work harder and prove yourself a little more, but you can't choose medicine and then be lazy right?
 
HollyJ said:
Looking at mdapplicants.com, people from BYU, Earlham, East Carolina U, Emory, Fashion Institute of Technology, UCSB, University of Arizona, University of Central Florida, USC, U of Texas, and U of Wisconsin have been accepted to Harvard in the past two cycles.

Just saying.

Note: I'm not saying that any of these schools aren't fabulous. Just saying that they're generally not considered Ivy or pseudo-Ivy.

Wisconsin is one the best schools in the country, especially for science! I think the OP was talking about UW-Milwaukee...or little satellite schools. I know some people from these, and it is really sad they are even trying. Ever wonder who the thousands of people who don't even get secondaries are?
 
This may not go over well, but I think your Ivy League schools are filled with grade inflation and cheating. Look at Bush...straight C's and he was coked up. I would rather be at Mich, UW, Texas...
 
I graduated from the University of Kentucky and I'm going to Yale in the fall. Yes, there's room for hicks in the Ivy League.
 
adamj61 said:
Wisconsin is one the best schools in the country, especially for science! I think the OP was talking about UW-Milwaukee...or little satellite schools. I know some people from these, and it is really sad they are even trying. Ever wonder who the thousands of people who don't even get secondaries are?

Like I said, it's not that I think that the schools I listed aren't fabulous, just that they're not huge "name" schools. I mean, Emory is an unbelievable school, so is UW, so are some of the others. I listed those to show that there's a a wide range of schools represented that aren't Ivy.
 
Ok, I'm going to try to shed some light using two sources I picked up applying in the last cycle. Columbia gives a student handbook to interviewees that lists the undergrad institutions of each class and Cornell gives a list of accepted students to accepted students.

Here's where a few students chosen randomly from Columbia's class of 2007 went for undergrad:

Notre Dame, JHU, Yale, Messiah, Princeton, Temple, Columbia, BU, Georgetown, Columbia, Harvard, Union, Princeton, Columbia, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Morgan State, Harvard, Michigan, Oberlin, Virginia Polytech, Stanford, Fordham, U Wisconsin, Georgia Inst. Tech., Dartmouth, Case Western, UC Berkley, BYU, Yale...and I'm tired of typing

Here are a few from Cornell's accepted class of 2008:

Columbia, Cornell, Univeristy of Florida, Columbia, Penn, Oberlin, University of Virginia, Cornell, University of Virginia, Penn, Stanford, UC Berkley, Princeton, Princeton, Cornell, Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University, Bowdoin, Yale, Harvard, Harvard, Harvard, Davidson, USC, Cornell, Univeristy of Florida, Harvard, Cornell, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard, University of Wisconsin-Madison, JHU, Middlebury college, Tulane, Stanford, Santa Clara University...and I'm tired of typing again.


Now I'm wondering why I typed all that. Looking over the list it seems like 20-25% of the class at these schools are not from big name undergrad institutions. Of course "big name" is comepletely subjective. Personally, I think most of the people who get into the most competitive schools are people who differentiate themselves from the masses of applicants in some meaningful way. I would expect this to be especially true of applicants from less-well-known schools.
 
This may not go over well, but I think your Ivy League schools are filled with grade inflation and cheating. Look at Bush...straight C's and he was coked up. I would rather be at Mich, UW, Texas...
uh yeah
 
Is there something wrong with non-Ivy league schools? I thought the USMLE was used to rank how well medical students are doing?
 
CyberTammy said:
Are you kidding??? You actually believed that file... people make up a lot of stuff on there and thats definitely not a real person.



My friend went from the university of Arkansas to Hopkins so its very posible that those files are correct.
 
State school for undergrad and Hopkins this fall. If your stats are comparable, then don't worry so much about what school you grad from.
 
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