Is it rude to ask my PI to be paid?

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I've been volunteering in a lab for a few months now, but my duties are pretty similar to the other undergrads (who are paid). The thing is, I had originally applied for a paid position, but I was rejected, so I asked to join as a volunteer. Would it be inappropriate for me to ask to be paid, especially considering how I came to the lab in the first place?
 
Probably. Unless you phrase it very politely and your PI is a very nice person, it would probably not come off well. Also, I'd assume they hired one of the other undergrads for the position, right? They may not have it in the budget to hire someone who already does the work for free.
 
I would ask them that if an opportunity to get paid comes along could you be considered for it. I have worked in a lab and sometimes I get paid while other time our grants suck and I work as a volunteer. Getting compensated is always nice but should not be the main goal as an undergrad researcher
 
Actually, I think it's fair to ask if there were opportunities to be paid/stipended in the future. Just don't imply that you feel entitled as such
 
I've been volunteering in a lab for a few months now, but my duties are pretty similar to the other undergrads (who are paid). The thing is, I had originally applied for a paid position, but I was rejected, so I asked to join as a volunteer. Would it be inappropriate for me to ask to be paid, especially considering how I came to the lab in the first place?
After volunteering in a lab for a couple months and learning that they were recently awarded a huge grant, I politely asked to be paid. I got paid.
 
If you were rejected for a paid position but then asked to join as a volunteer the answer will probably be a no. If you talk to your PI in a tactful and professional way I don't think it would be inappropriate. Keep in mind that the paid position probably went to another student though and they might not have the money to pay an additional undergrad. Money's tight in research.
 
Honestly didn't know one could be paid for UG research (aside from summer REU). Guess my old PIs were either cheap or felt that getting an 'A' was good enough compensation lol
 
Honestly didn't know one could be paid for UG research (aside from summer REU). Guess my old PIs were either cheap or felt that getting an 'A' was good enough compensation lol

I'd be fine with just getting credit, but right now I'm not getting that or money
 
I'd be fine with just getting credit, but right now I'm not getting that or money

Sucks but sometimes it happens. Some of the suggestions above seem solid though.
 
First, ask indirectly (if there are some other positions) and then very politely ask if you could have one of 'em.
 
Yes.

What part of "volunteer" don't you understand?


I've been volunteering in a lab for a few months now, but my duties are pretty similar to the other undergrads (who are paid). The thing is, I had originally applied for a paid position, but I was rejected, so I asked to join as a volunteer. Would it be inappropriate for me to ask to be paid, especially considering how I came to the lab in the first place?
 
I haven't been fortunate enough to participate in research, but I've been in the workforce long enough to know that if they denied you a paid position and took you on as a volunteer, it's because you're not in their budget right now. Unless something has changed in that area and you are responsible, I don't think it's a good idea to pursue compensation just yet. Just keep doing your work and show eagerness to learn, this is how I've moved forward at every job I've had. Don't ask them to adjust their value of your work, let them see that you're valuable.
 
I really don't see why it's so rude. It's not like he can't be "promoted" to a paid position, especially if he's showing the aptitude and motivation his lab requests of paid undergraduates.

That being said, I do think it's a little early to be asking for pay, if you've only been there for a few months. I think you can tell how close the lab is to you and what their general attitude toward you is. It's also a matter of lab dynamics; some are more abrasive, others not so much, so you could potentially be rubbing people the wrong way. If you don't seriously need the money, protect your experience and continue to do good work. A great LOR is more important in the long run. At the very least, wait until you've created a positive image in the lab.
 
Yes.

What part of "volunteer" don't you understand?
I disagree. Volunteers do not typically have the same responsibility or commitment as paid staff. At that point, it becomes the PI taking advantage of a volunteer.

At my alma mater it is common for students to volunteer or work for credit first and then get asked to stay for pay later, especially if your credentials at the time of applying were lackluster. A few months is a short period of time, but after 2 semesters or a full summer? I think that's appropriate. The right way to approach it would be to tell your PI that you appreciate the opportunity he's given you to train in his lab, you've learned a lot, but you can't afford to only volunteer anymore. Ask if there is any room in the budget for you to be taken on as paid staff (or if there will be soon) and be prepared to leave or cut back hours if he says no. You could also ask for credit instead of pay, as dropping a class to do research for credit would open hours up to work for pay elsewhere. If you truly are operating like the paid staff, it would hurt him to lose your help in the lab.

Please note that the most appropriate way to handle this would have been to be upfront about your expectations after you were rejected but before you took the position in a volunteer. It would have been totally fine then to ask if there was an opportunity for paid work later, and then you wouldn't be potentially working for free for a few months in a lab that may never pay you.
 
Yes.

What part of "volunteer" don't you understand?

Agreed. You asked to take the job as a volunteer. You can't complain about not getting paid now.

You could keep looking for paid lab positions, ask about working for credit (it would likely be an easy A) or CAUTIOUSLY ask about being considered should a paid spot open up. Also, see if your school has merit-based work study before you do option 3-- my undergrad had that, and it meant your lab only paid 1/3 of your wages and the financial services office paid the rest.
 
It really depends on the financial situation of the lab and your capacity in the lab. If you're just coming in a few hours a week to wash silverware then it's not worth it. If you're actually doing something more meaningful then you have something to stand on.

My personal story was that for lunch/dinner I would always just order the hamburger (cause it was cheap) and the PI walked in one day and asked why I kept ordering the hamburger. I responded that I couldn't afford anything else and left it at that. They promptly offered to pay for my time. Granted this was after 2 years of volunteering and I would come in most days if my schedule permitted and did work that really helped the lab so it probably wasn't too difficult to justify but it was really nice that she cared enough.
 
If you were rejected for a paid position but then asked to join as a volunteer the answer will probably be a no. If you talk to your PI in a tactful and professional way I don't think it would be inappropriate. Keep in mind that the paid position probably went to another student though and they might not have the money to pay an additional undergrad. Money's tight in research.

My PI recently hired 4 more undergrads, so I was thinking he would probably have enough money to pay me as well.

I disagree. Volunteers do not typically have the same responsibility or commitment as paid staff. At that point, it becomes the PI taking advantage of a volunteer.

At my alma mater it is common for students to volunteer or work for credit first and then get asked to stay for pay later, especially if your credentials at the time of applying were lackluster. A few months is a short period of time, but after 2 semesters or a full summer? I think that's appropriate. The right way to approach it would be to tell your PI that you appreciate the opportunity he's given you to train in his lab, you've learned a lot, but you can't afford to only volunteer anymore. Ask if there is any room in the budget for you to be taken on as paid staff (or if there will be soon) and be prepared to leave or cut back hours if he says no. You could also ask for credit instead of pay, as dropping a class to do research for credit would open hours up to work for pay elsewhere. If you truly are operating like the paid staff, it would hurt him to lose your help in the lab.

Please note that the most appropriate way to handle this would have been to be upfront about your expectations after you were rejected but before you took the position in a volunteer. It would have been totally fine then to ask if there was an opportunity for paid work later, and then you wouldn't be potentially working for free for a few months in a lab that may never pay you.

To be honest I did tell my PI that I was more interested in credit then money... but then again, he hired so many more undergrads I thought he could afford to pay me as well, at least during the summer, and then I could move on to credit in the fall.

Also, I go to a BIG college, so I don't think he would have much trouble finding a replacement for me lol
 
Applied for the paid spot...did not get it...offered to do it for free...asks to get paid.

The social ineptitude of premeds is baffling.

You should know the context of a situation before you decide to pass judgement.

The level of snark present on this website is what baffles me.
 
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My PI recently hired 4 more undergrads, so I was thinking he would probably have enough money to pay me as well.



To be honest I did tell my PI that I was more interested in credit then money... but then again, he hired so many more undergrads I thought he could afford to pay me as well, at least during the summer, and then I could move on to credit in the fall.

Also, I go to a BIG college, so I don't think he would have much trouble finding a replacement for me lol
If you've already been trained and function autonomously in the lab then it would be kind of a pain to replace you, since the new hire would have to be trained all over again. If you're super low on the totem pole and need to be micromanaged, you're replaceable and not worth paying anyway.
 
I've been volunteering in a lab for a few months now, but my duties are pretty similar to the other undergrads (who are paid). The thing is, I had originally applied for a paid position, but I was rejected, so I asked to join as a volunteer. Would it be inappropriate for me to ask to be paid, especially considering how I came to the lab in the first place?

It isnt rude unless you bust down the door and start making demands. You can meet with them and then kindly ask if there are any funding opportunities for you while working in the lab. Express that you would be more than willing to look into applicable grants that would cover your pay to show initiative (i did that for one of my previous labs and because i showed initiative they found a way to fund me on their own). Further express that although you love volunteering, you truly love being in the lab and having additional funds to help you (with life, med apps, etc) would be greatly appreciated.
 
My PI recently hired 4 more undergrads, so I was thinking he would probably have enough money to pay me as well.

To be honest I did tell my PI that I was more interested in credit then money... but then again, he hired so many more undergrads I thought he could afford to pay me as well, at least during the summer, and then I could move on to credit in the fall.

Also, I go to a BIG college, so I don't think he would have much trouble finding a replacement for me lol

Or, on the flip side, even less likely to pay you because he's eating the cost of 4 more undergrad workers. All a matter of perspective.
 
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