Is it wrong to say that you go to Harvard if you actually go to Harvard Extension?

[disque71]

What do you think? 🙂

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[gossmer]

What do you think? 🙂

You're joking, right?

 

[cubs08]

apparently it worked for that dr. 90210 tool

 

[chaeymaey]

Um, you still go to Harvard. How is it wrong to say that?

 

[Rafa]

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[jebus]

I remember something about this and sure enough:
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00A13FE355A0C7B8DDDA80994DD404482
According to the NYTimes, yes, you're allowed to say you go to Harvard. They own the Red Sox so you can tell that they know everything about Harvard. And that William Safire is such a nice looking, little, old man, even if he used to be a Nixon speechwriter.

 

[anon-y-mouse]

What do you think? 🙂

One of my friends, at HLS, started dating someone who purported to go to Harvard. A few weeks later, my friend stayed over and happened to see the person's ID, which had a big "EXT" on it. Talk about busted!

To imply that you're attending the college when in fact you're at HES is a bit disingenuous at the undergraduate level. However, the master's program (post-bac for getting into med school) has a bit more weight to it. Extension students do have the @fas.harvard.edu email, just like students in the college, though.

 

[funshine]

...except everyone knows any Harvard student with a modicum of good sense and modesty will rarely come right out and say they go to Harvard, unless they're talking to alum...they'll usually look down and mumble something about Boston (even Cambridge is too much of a giveaway)

But if you need to flaunt it...go for it, I guess.

 

[jebus]

...except everyone knows any Harvard student with a modicum of good sense and modesty will rarely come right out and say they go to Harvard, unless they're talking to alum...they'll usually look down and mumble something about Boston.

No way! Everyone I've met who goes/went to Harvard or did a post-doc or is/was a professor there talks about it incessantly. It's like they expect me give them instant credibility or a hot stone massage. I usually give them both.
And technically, the HES students get a degree that says Harvard University. Everyone else gets one that says Harvard College.

 

[Triggity02]

it doesn't matter. both schools (undergrad and extension) hand out A's like candy.
they are notorious for grade inflation, especially the undergrad. NBC's West Wing even refers to this point.

 

[butmylipshurtrealbad]

Oh my, Harvard! 😛

 

[funshine]

No way! Everyone I've met who goes/went to Harvard or did a post-doc or is/was a professor there talks about it incessantly. It's like they expect me give them instant credibility or a hot stone massage. I usually give them both.
And technically, the HES students get a degree that says Harvard University. Everyone else gets one that says Harvard College.

ok, so some students are more annoying than others. My friend never tells people back in our hillbilly state he went to Harvard though. He just says Boston College. I guess it'd be different if we lived in New York.

 

[NotAnMD]

What do you think? 🙂

I actually live in Boston...this question is so silly. HES is basically just another night school in Boston for professionals...my co-workers do it in their spare time. Good luck using it to get into medical school...the adcoms will know...seriously.

 

[red dot]

i'm against it... that is, if you want people to assume you go to harvard, minus the extension part.

i guess it's alright to say "i'm taking classes at harvard" since it's not a blatant lie. but "i'm going to harvard" while you're technically at harvard extension is really leading people on -- people don't just go around naturally assuming you go to harvard extension if you say that.

 

[crazy_cavalier]

The answer to your question (thread title) is a solid "no, it is not wrong."

BUT, only if you swiftly follow up your claim ("I come from Haaahhhvaad") with a low cough and a quick, muttered, "...extension..."

 

[AMitchell]

I actually live in Boston...this question is so silly. HES is basically just another night school in Boston for professionals...my co-workers do it in their spare time. Good luck using it to get into medical school...the adcoms will know...seriously.

Just wanted to comment on the ability of Harvard Extension to get one into medical school. So far, it has gotten me into Pritzker and UMass with interviews at Penn, Columbia, Pitt, Rochester, NYU, etc... Yes, it isnt Harvard College, but it is still a great post-bac program with great directors who write wonderful committee letters that interviewers often mention right off the bat. I was strictly social sciences undergrad and took all my pre-reqs at HES.

 

[Law2Doc]

What do you think? 🙂

I've actually been to a couple of interviews where THE ADMISSIONS PEOPLE put Harvard on the name tag of someone who actually just did postbac at Harvard Extension. So while I don't think you should say it yourself, others certainly might and you needn't refute that.

 

[isobel]

Just wanted to comment on the ability of Harvard Extension to get one into medical school. So far, it has gotten me into Pritzker and UMass with interviews at Penn, Columbia, Pitt, Rochester, NYU, etc... Yes, it isnt Harvard College, but it is still a great post-bac program with great directors who write wonderful committee letters that interviewers often mention right off the bat. I was strictly social sciences undergrad and took all my pre-reqs at HES.

i back this up. in at Temple, waiting to hear from Columbia and Northwestern post-interview, and interviewing at Tufts next week. the classes are rigorous enough for premed requirements.

that said, harvard and the HES are totally different. many of the classes are exactly the same but there are no entrance requirements to go to HES. anyone can go. but the thing is, not everyone will do well.

being in the HES, i personally would never try to pretend i was going to harvard. they're 2 different things. plus, harvard is so cliche in boston.

 

[oneaat]

my guess is that once you get accepted, the admissions office classifies you as a harvard student, so they can boost the impressiveness of their incoming class. (am i a little bit cynical? yes, i am.)
on a sort of related note - why are people who went to harvard so ashamed of it? if someone asks where you went to school, just answer the freaking question. i will neither look up nor down at you if you say harvard. it's a statement of fact, not the be-all and end-all of your personality. jeez.

 

[almost_there]

my guess is that once you get accepted, the admissions office classifies you as a harvard student, so they can boost the impressiveness of their incoming class. (am i a little bit cynical? yes, i am.)
on a sort of related note - why are people who went to harvard so ashamed of it? if someone asks where you went to school, just answer the freaking question. i will neither look up nor down at you if you say harvard. it's a statement of fact, not the be-all and end-all of your personality. jeez.

Probably because many people are affected by the Harvard name, either positively or negatively. Most folks don't want to be judged or pigeon-holed by the school they went to.

Incidentally, I think that it is this, rather than modesty, that makes most Harvard folks avoid coming right out and saying where they went to school.

 

[BerkeleyMD]

What do you think? 🙂

Nah... totally fine.

You could even be in the area and just use the Harvard library so you can tell people you are going to Harvard to study medicine. I remember people joking about doing this during my BU interview.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Harvard Extension School is basically an open-enrollment program for anyone who wants to pay for and take classes at night. For pete's sake, high school kids take physics there along with college aged kids, and parents, and just about anyone that wants to. There's nothing special about it at all. Why would anyone want to mention it, or be intentionally misleading? Are you that insecure?

 

[potato51]

I actually know a couple doctors who lead people to believe they got their MD's at Harvard when in fact they did their MPH's there, which is also very impressive.

 

[Centinel]

You have to choose between two positions: (clearly) either you a) do say you are a Harvard student or b) you do not say that you are a Harvard student.

In favor of saying that you are a Harvard student:
- you are taking classes through Harvard.

In opposition to saying that you are a Harvard student:
- you do not live in the Houses, which are the social residences which many would say define a Harvard education
- you are one of 13,000 Extension students, not one of the ~6,000 undergraduate students

In the end, it seems that you would want to emphasize that you go to Harvard to tie yourself in with the elite institution and make yourself therefore more desirable. Yet Harvard College is known for its undergraduate education, while Harvard Extension School is not generally known. It seems disengenuous to say that you go to Harvard without specifically mentioning that you are going to the Harvard Extension School because the two programs are not equivalent.

I would vote for full honesty, as always, but I'm sure others here will think that not being candid will be the most beneficial. Be careful. The fact that you even thought to ask the question suggests that you understand the two programs are not equivalent.

 

[noonday]

no, it's not the same at all. and i agree that unless it came up directly in a conversation, or was really really relevant (ie, defending the big H), most harvard alums really don't scream it fro the rooftops. so it will be kinda obvious. sort of like starfu&*ing.

now, you could say, quietly and mumbed, if asked where you're going (and only then), "um, well, a small extension school outside boston" (undergrad/college alums usually go with "a small liberal arts school outside boston")

;-)

 

[funshine]

my guess is that once you get accepted, the admissions office classifies you as a harvard student, so they can boost the impressiveness of their incoming class. (am i a little bit cynical? yes, i am.)
on a sort of related note - why are people who went to harvard so ashamed of it? if someone asks where you went to school, just answer the freaking question. i will neither look up nor down at you if you say harvard. it's a statement of fact, not the be-all and end-all of your personality. jeez.

Probably because many people are affected by the Harvard name, either positively or negatively. Most folks don't want to be judged or pigeon-holed by the school they went to.
Incidentally, I think that it is this, rather than modesty, that makes most Harvard folks avoid coming right out and saying where they went to school.

You're right. Keeping quiet is also just a way of protecting yourself from further scrutiny. Harvard and other elite schools are like the luxury-brands of education, and you'd be surprised at the number of people who might react badly to those names. Just think about how eager some posters are in pointing out the grade inflation at Ivies. Also, you have to remember that many kids at these prestigious schools are just average, hard-working students who did well in hs, had some sort of hook and just got really lucky in college admissions. There's this expectation that if you're from a top school, you're brilliant, talented, and extremely articulate, which just isn't true sometimes. Those are some pretty high expectations, and you can't blame them for being a bit insecure.

 

[EZMcFlo]

Harvard Extension School is basically an open-enrollment program for anyone who wants to pay for and take classes at night. For pete's sake, high school kids take physics there along with college aged kids, and parents, and just about anyone that wants to. There's nothing special about it at all. Why would anyone want to mention it, or be intentionally misleading? Are you that insecure?

I disagree with the statement "there is nothing special about it". Harvard professors teach the courses at HES, which follow the same format as normal courses at the college. You are essentially getting the same education that the undergraduates receive in similar courses. However, it would be misleading to say that you go to Harvard if you are simply taking courses at the extension school because you did not go through any selection process. Misleading someone = lying. Who exactly are you planning on telling this to, anyway?

 

[gostudy]

Ha! "Is it wrong" threads are funny. If you have gone through the mental proccess and decided to post on SDN if something is wrong, then there is a good chance that it's wrong.

 

[medworm]

IMO...

The difference b/w Harvard Extension and Harvard College is more than night and day, and frankly I wouldn't want to be caught bragging about how attending HES, by extension, is the same as attending Harvard.

LOL

 

[jbar]

Just think about how eager some posters are in pointing out the grade inflation at Ivies..

Some of the Ivies. I went to Dartmouth and the average GPA for a Bio major is 3.1, and most of my pre-med classes had a B/B- average.

 

[PineappleGirl]

I live in Boston and tons of people take classes at HES, especially people who work for the college or the hospitals (since they give tuition remission). I think it is wrong to allow people to conclude that you are attending Harvard College when indeed you are taking classes at night at the extension school. What a lot of people taking HES classes seem to say is something like "I am taking a class at Harvard" or "I'm taking night classes at Harvard". This is something of a compromise position I believe. You get to say you are affiliated with Harvard, but it's clear you are not in the elite Harvard College.

I also concur with what others are saying is that most people, at least those who are currently attending Harvard College, tend to downplay their affiliation. It actually kind of pisses me off. I understand they don't want to appear snobby, but it's kind of irritating to hear "oh I go to a school in Boston". Well, what school??? People who graduated from Harvard, especially in academia (I'm thinking of several of my ugrad profs) LOVE to play up their affiliation, however.

 

[PurpleHaze]

If your tuition money goes to Harvard University, then I think u should be able to say that you go to Harvard.

 

[1Path]

So let me make sure I understand this correctly. If you take classes at ANY other school in the universe whether it be post-bacc, evening classes, day classes or online classes, it OK to say you attend/ed that school. But if you ONLY take classes at Harvard extension, then it's lying to say you attend school there? Give me a break!

If you take PAY for classes at Harvard, take classes AT Harvard, and will receive a transcript FROM Harvard, then you GO/WENT TO HARVARD.

Don't hate on those who will have the big "H" on thier list of transcripts. 🙄

 

[Law2Doc]

So let me make sure I understand this correctly. If you take classes at ANY other school in the universe whether it be post-bacc, evening classes, day classes or online classes, it OK to say you attend/ed that school. But if you ONLY take classes at Harvard extension, then it's lying to say you attend school there? Give me a break!

If you take PAY for classes at Harvard, take classes AT Harvard, and will receive a transcript FROM Harvard, then you GO/WENT TO HARVARD.

Don't hate on those who will have the big "H" on thier list of transcripts. 🙄

Just for the record, most folks who do premed prereqs at Harvard Extension don't actually get any sort of degree from there, just a sponsorship letter. Their undergrad is where they went to college. The transcripts, I suspect, say extension school or school of continuing education of something of that ilk, not Harvard U. But who really cares -- many HES postbacs get into really good places, and adcoms are not those confusing them with Harvard grads.

 

[anon-y-mouse]

Just for the record, most folks who do premed prereqs at Harvard Extension don't actually get any sort of degree from there

This is false. Most people who do premed prerequisites at HES get an ALM -- Masters in Liberal Arts or some such.

 

[Orthodoc40]

This is false. Most people who do premed prerequisites at HES get an ALM -- Masters in Liberal Arts or some such.

HES is NOT a degree program of ANY kind!!

It is just an open enrollment program where you can take MANY classes at night - accounting, russian, physics, organic chemistry - whatever.
Just sign up & pay for the class.
SOME people who are taking classes there as prereqs for medical school enroll in their official premed program, which again, basically just amounts to the same thing, except that these people are eligible to get a committee letter of recommendation. It's still open enrollment. THAT IS IT. NOTHING SPECIAL!
That is why it IS misleading to say you "go to Harvard" - which implies you are a full time student at Harvard. You know that is the conclusion people will draw when you say that. Therefore it is intentionally misleading. How's that reasoning difficult to follow?
The harvard extension school program is no more impressive than any other college's night class program around here. In fact, they are well known for giving out easy A's in most cases.

 

[Law2Doc]

This is false. Most people who do premed prerequisites at HES get an ALM -- Masters in Liberal Arts or some such.

Most folks I've come across in medicine have done the Health Careers Program - the extension school's postbac. It's not a degree program. I seriously doubt that the majority of med school bound HES folks are coming out of graduate programs.
(FWIW, If you do a graduate program then you certainly cannot say that is your undergrad.)

 

[1Path]

This is false. Most people who do premed prerequisites at HES get an ALM -- Masters in Liberal Arts or some such.

The one person I know that did the extension courses DID have Harvard University on his transcripts (this was years ago so things may have changed) with something about extension too. Plus, when you fill out amcas, what do Harvard extension folks put, just extension? I doubt it. The HAVE to put WHERE they took those extension courses. And my friend DID go on to get an MS degree a few years later from Harvard.

 

[1Path]

HES is NOT a degree program of ANY kind!!

I don't think this matters at all. When you were an undergrad and someone asked where you went to school, did you say "I'm in a degree program at University of X" or did you say "I attend University of X"??

I guess for those folks who said "I'm in a degree program at X", did you also go on to tell the person what your major was, how many hours you had completed, what your grades were last term, how many classes you have with your sorrority sisters, what buildings your classes were in.........

 

[DrBowtie]

I don't think this matters at all. When you were an undergrad and someone asked where you went to school, did you say "I'm in a degree program at University of X" or did you say "I attend University of X"??

I guess for those folks who said "I'm in a degree program at X", did you also go on to tell the person what your major was, how many hours you had completed, what your grades were last term, how many classes you have with your sorrority sisters, what buildings your classes were in.........

I think the implicit status if you tell someone that you go to any college is that you are a full-time degree seeking student.

I think you are in the minority on this one.

 

[jebus]

HES is NOT a degree program...

Yes it is.

Harvard, for Less: Extension Courses' New Allure
CAMBRIDGE, MA, Nov. 17 - Laura Shortill had a 3.6 GPA at her Buxton, Me., high school and her SAT's were ''fairly average,'' she said. ''Nothing astronomical.''
So when she applied to Harvard, Ms. Shortill knew it was a stretch. And she had a backup: Harvard.
Although Ms. Shortill was accepted elsewhere, including Johns Hopkins, when she was rejected by Harvard College, she moved to Cambridge anyway. She enrolled in a bachelor's degree program at Harvard University Extension School -- for a fraction of the admissions requirements and a fraction of the cost.
''I had Harvard as my reach school,'' said Ms. Shortill, 20, ''and I had Harvard as my safety school.''
Students Ms. Shortill's age make up a small but growing percentage of Harvard Extension School these days, said Michael Shinagel, the dean. While the school does not keep count, he said, the number of bachelor's degrees it gives out (118 last year) is double that of 10 years ago, largely because of younger students, at least some of them drawn by the chance to experience Harvard at bargain-basement prices.
''I can tell by the physiognomy, by the color of the hair, by the body types that we're getting leaner and younger,'' Dr. Shinagel said. ''Clearly the trend is to a younger student population.''
Extension and continuing-education schools have long served midcareer adults and people with some previous college credit. They still account for most extension students, and many do not accept students under 25 or without college experience.
But schools that accept younger students say interest is increasing, driven largely by economic considerations, although at Harvard it is also fueled by the fact that it is Harvard.
''There is a group of what you might call traditional college-age students who are with us now,'' said Robert E. Wiltenburg, dean of University College, the extension school of Washington University in St. Louis.
Dean Wiltenburg said that the number of students in his undergraduate degree program tripled in the last five years, and that most students studying full-time were 25 or younger.
University of Phoenix, a continuing-education school with 176 campuses, last year dropped its rule that students be at least 22, and now 18-to-22-year-olds are nearly 10% of its 160,000 undergraduates.
At University of Maryland University College, a continuing-education school, students 25 and under seeking bachelor's degrees are the fastest-growing population, tripling to 4,200 in 04 from 1,400 in 97, said Mary Ellen Hrutka, dean of undergraduate studies.
''Faculty members are adjusting their pedagogy to reflect age diversity,'' Dean Hrutka said, including in her course on women in business, where all the students once had careers, but now several are too young.
The trend reflects the increasing number of students struggling to afford college, even as they realize it is increasingly necessary, experts say.
''The cost of college has risen, and the federal aid that is available has not kept up,'' said Kay J. Kohl, executive director of the University Continuing Education Association. ''A large proportion of traditional-age college students come from low-income families or are basically debt averse.''
The same impulse has more students attending community colleges for two years before switching to a four-year institution. The National Center for Education Statistics reported that in 2000 only 27% of students fit the traditional description of enrolling right after high school, attending full-time, being financially supported by parents and either not working or working part-time.
Extension schools, with evening and weekend classes, appeal especially to students who need jobs to afford college and whose income then disqualifies them for financial aid but is not enough for full tuition.
Harvard Extension School, with its mission of making a part of Harvard broadly accessible, is unusually inexpensive, charging about $550 per lecture course compared to about $4K per course at Harvard College.
Other recent high school graduates, as well as home-schooled students, are also pursuing bachelors degrees at Harvard extension. Jeanne Margaret Nurse, although largely an A student, did not even apply to Harvard's undergraduate program. One of 12 children, Ms. Nurse, 20, who went to high school in St. Louis, said her family's income was too high to qualify for financial aid but too low to afford a regular college.
And Chip Perro is thrilled with his extension school decision.
''I really wanted to go to a good school,'' said Mr. Perro, 21, from the Boston suburb of Natick, who failed to get into Harvard College or other top universities. ''My degree will be a degree from Harvard University. Sounds pretty good to me.''
Students have access to Harvard faculty, even Nobel laureates like Roy J. Glauber, a physicist who has taught extension classes. At least 52 of the 128 credits required for the extension bachelors degree must come from courses taught by Harvard instructors. And some courses are virtually identical to those at Harvard College, professors say.
Ms. Shortill, majoring in classics, is taking the course Ancient Christianity with Helmut Koester, who teaches the same course at Harvard College and Divinity School.
Ms. Nurse takes a course called Justice taught at Harvard College by Michael Sandel, a well-known political scientist. It is videotaped and is one of 75 courses offered online for extension students.
And Mr. Perro said he discovered that a high school classmate attending Harvard College ''had one of the same instructors for an expository writing course.''
Their instructor, Thomas A. Underwood, said the extension course ''aspires to be the equivalent'' of the college course. To get a bachelor's degree in either school, students must take that course and get a B-.
The differences, professors say, come mainly from the students. The rigorous competition for getting into Harvard College make its students ''almost like polished river stones,'' Dr. Underwood said.
Extension students are all ages and from all academic backgrounds, and many have jobs, marriages and children. There are no requirements to take extension courses; getting into the bachelor's degree program is permitted if students get at least a B minus in three extension courses, including expository writing.
''There's a much wider spectrum of good and not so good and poor students,'' Dr. Koester said.
But some professors say the real-world experiences of extension students make the classes less academic and more practical.
Greg Harris, a Harvard College preceptor teaching advanced fiction writing in the extension school, said that he started with an academic approach, but that some students said, '' 'Get that stuff out of the way because I just want feedback on my writing.' ''
What extension students do not get is the experience of living in college dorms, socializing routinely with others their age and having access to all libraries, dining halls and other facilities. They also do not get as much faculty advising.
For that reason, heads of some other continuing-education schools say younger students are a bad idea.
''We've in fact discouraged it,'' said Jay A. Halfond, dean of Metropolitan College, Boston University's continuing-education school. Metropolitan College used to have younger students, he said, but they ''were more likely to have academic and disciplinary issues, issues of plagiarism, attendance and neglect, misbehavior of sorts.''
He added, ''I've spoken to parents about this: do you really want your child in school with 30-year-olds? Unless your child is very mature and independent and able to juggle commitments, it's not a good choice.''
At Harvard, although extension students must maintain a C average and fulfill language, science and math requirements, they may deal with the perception that they are not full-fledged Harvard citizens.''Some people are like, 'What are you exactly?' '' Ms. Shortill said. ''But some people are like, 'Oh my goodness, you can do that? Wow, that was really smart of you to figure that out.' ''
Social life can be challenging too because most classmates are older and return home to families. But some students like the mix of ages, and that the evening classes allow daytime pursuits. And there is the diploma, a bachelors of liberal arts in extension from Harvard University (that other diploma says bachelors of arts from Harvard College).
Dr. Shinagel put it this way: ''Let's say you're buying a Gucci handbag and you're going to pay a thousand dollars for it, and Gucci also puts out a line that doesn't call itself Gucci but is close in quality to a Gucci and you can get it for $50. That's what this is.''
Not everyone buys that analogy.
''I think that's sort of going to Harvard the wrong way for the wrong reasons,'' Dr. Halfond said.
But on a résumé, most employers would probably not know the difference, he and others said.
Gail Kaplan, a legal recruiter in Boston, said: ''If I were sending someone with a Harvard Extension School degree to a law firm in Boston, I know it would not get the same reaction as Yale or Harvard or Stanford or Princeton. But if I sent them to St. Louis or California, people wouldn't notice as much.''
Dr. Shinagel said extension graduates had done illustrious things, including attending Harvard's medical and law schools.
Dr. Underwood said students getting bachelor's degrees from the extension school were ''brilliantly milking the cow of Harvard University.''
''If for some reason your finances or your SAT's wouldn't get you into the Ivy League,'' he said, ''you could come and get a very similar experience and then have the Harvard name on your résumé. People say Harvard-trained, they don't say Bunker Hill Community College-trained.''

 

[1Path]

I think the implicit status if you tell someone that you go to any college is that you are a full-time degree seeking student.

I think you are in the minority on this one.

If I tell someone I have a job does that mean I work full-time? People really need to get over their assumptions about the lives of other people. 🙄

 

[Orthodoc40]

Yes it is.

No, it is not. Why don't you research it yourself?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/

 

[jebus]

Sure, thanks for the link. It tells you they award the following degrees:
Bachelor of Liberal Arts
Master of Liberal Arts
Master of Liberal Arts in Biotechnology
Master of Liberal Arts in Educational Technologies
Master of Liberal Arts in Environmental Management
Master of Liberal Arts in Information Technology
Master of Liberal Arts in Journalism
Master of Liberal Arts in Mathematics for Teaching
Master of Liberal Arts in Museum Studies
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/2005-06/programs/

What is the Extension School's connection with the rest of Harvard?
Harvard Extension School is part of the Division of Continuing Education, Faculty of Arts and Sciences, Harvard University. One of 12 degree-granting schools at Harvard, the Extension School is distinguished by its program of open admission, part-time study, evening courses, and low tuition.

Do you offer degree and certificate programs? How do I apply?

Yes, the Harvard Extension School awards undergraduate degrees, master's degrees, certificates, and diplomas. See Programs for information about applying.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Sure, thanks for the link. It tells you they award the following degrees:
Bachelor of Liberal Arts
Master of Liberal Arts
Master of Liberal Arts in Biotechnology
Master of Liberal Arts in Educational Technologies
Master of Liberal Arts in Environmental Management
Master of Liberal Arts in Information Technology
Master of Liberal Arts in Journalism
Master of Liberal Arts in Mathematics for Teaching
Master of Liberal Arts in Museum Studies
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/2005-06/programs/

Right, sorry, you can be enrolled in a degree program.
Those are also open enrollment - you just show that you've met the prereq's.

Taking premed classes there is NOT a degree program!
It is open enrollment, come one, come all. There is no selectivity involved.

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

Only if you are allowed into the harvard club.

 

[DrBowtie]

If I tell someone I have a job does that mean I work full-time? People really need to get over their assumptions about the lives of other people. 🙄

Well depending on the job I would assume it was fulltime. Just as depending on the type of school I would assume fulltime.

Come on you are splitting hairs here.

 

[HarvardPostBac]

If I tell someone I have a job does that mean I work full-time? People really need to get over their assumptions about the lives of other people. 🙄

WOW....
I never thought people could be so uptight and superficial.

A. HES is a division of Harvard University. If you want to get technical, YOU are a student of Harvard University!!

B. The only people who go around name dropping are people who are vain and insecure.

I chose this program because it is absolutely outstanding in many ways. If you can gain sponsorship to medical school through a good gpa and good MCAT score, you are extremely likely to be accepted to an allopathic medical school. I am guessing the people debating this are either snobby harvard undergrads or people not familiar with the school. I have attended different schools throughout the country and I have to say those who do well here are among the best and brightest I have ever seen.

Most Postbac programs throughout the US are through the Department of Continuing Education at said university. Do you ever see this argument for other schools?!?! The Harvard name just carries a prejudice whether good or bad.

We are just trying to get the best education we can for our money. Some of us actually have to pay for school ourselves! This debate is just splitting hairs. Get over it.

 

[PeripateticMD]

...except everyone knows any Harvard student with a modicum of good sense and modesty will rarely come right out and say they go to Harvard, unless they're talking to alum...they'll usually look down and mumble something about Boston (even Cambridge is too much of a giveaway)

But if you need to flaunt it...go for it, I guess.

THIS IS SO TRUE!!!! (well, professors and post docs don't need to be humble about it anymore). I ALWAYS answer "I go to grad school in boston" or "I went to graduate school in boston" and then they inevitably ask "which school" at which point I look guilty and mumble "harvard".

Personally, I know (as anyone who really knows harvard knows) that you don't even have to apply to go to HES (although you may need to have money). So going to HES is not anywhere near the feat of going anywhere else at harvard (where you actually have to apply, be competitive and get in). Regardless, HES does have many of the same professors (not always) and does attract pretty strong students.

I personally don't like when anyone flaunts they go to harvard. I'd rather flaunt my undergrad b/c i like it better than harvard 🙂. But when HES students flaunt it, and then don't tell you anything else, it just makes me think they're very insecure and came to H for the name only. Ah well, that's really all it is. It's $30,000 or more for an H stamp on your arse. The teaching is below mediocre, community generally lacking, but the network (if you like to shmooze) is great.

 

[Schaden Freud]

Being a Harvard College student is to being a Harvard Extension student as being a tenured Harvard professor is to being a Harvard janitor.

You're part of the system but don't make your position out to be more than it is.

WOW....
I never thought people could be so uptight and superficial.

A. HES is a division of Harvard University. If you want to get technical, YOU are a student of Harvard University!!

B. The only people who go around name dropping are people who are vain and insecure.

I chose this program because it is absolutely outstanding in many ways. If you can gain sponsorship to medical school through a good gpa and good MCAT score, you are extremely likely to be accepted to an allopathic medical school. I am guessing the people debating this are either snobby harvard undergrads or people not familiar with the school. I have attended different schools throughout the country and I have to say those who do well here are among the best and brightest I have ever seen.

Most Postbac programs throughout the US are through the Department of Continuing Education at said university. Do you ever see this argument for other schools?!?! The Harvard name just carries a prejudice whether good or bad.

We are just trying to get the best education we can for our money. Some of us actually have to pay for school ourselves! This debate is just splitting hairs. Get over it.