Is John Kerry Respected

[SheroDoc]

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I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

 

[Tiger26]

As a member of the military and an American, I can tell you that I despise John Kerry for many reasons. His military record alone is enough to hate the man as an individual.

1) He applies for a 1-year deferment during the latter stages of Vietnam, when many thought the war was about to start winding down. Now, he proclaims that he willfully volunteered to serve and defend.
2) He openly admitted to commiting atrocities and war crimes against the Vietnamese.
3) His medals are a joke. He got three Purple Hearts (the magical number required to get back to the states), yet he did not miss a day of duty. Two of them were self-inflicted and required no more than an hour of medical treatment. One was from him shooting a grenade launcher at a rock outside the boat. I know that if I get wounded in combat, it's likely going to be serious enough to have to miss at least a day of duty.
4) He parlayed a dead Vietnamese man and child and a bullet in the ass into a bronze star.
5) When getting back to the US, Kerry showed ultimate disrespect by tossing his medals over the infamous fence.

Now he claims to be a hero and a patriot.

IN A TIME OF SPONTANEOUS TERRORIST ATTACKS, BUSH HAS BEEN THRUST INTO THE POSITION OF A WAR PRESIDENT. KERRY WOULD MERELY BE A WAR CRIMES PRESIDENT

Never mind the fact that he has voted against every major weapons system while in the Senate and voted to decrease intelligence funding by 7 billion dollars. Of course, he promised to reform it. HaHa.

Now this is some of his military past. A group of fellow service is coming out with a book in the next few days outlining some of his other atrocities and dishonesty. It's called something like Swiftboat Commanders Against Kerry.

For a look at the anomalies between his promises and the rest of his record, go to http://www.flipflopper.com/

 

[tman]

I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

NO

 

[Globus P]

I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

A big NO

 

[doctor07]

In response to a previous post, and simply to play devil's advocate, if you compare military records between the presidential contenders, Bush doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Mirror Form]

In response to a previous post, and simply to play devil's advocate, if you compare military records between the presidential contenders, Bush doesn't have a leg to stand on.

That's 100% bullsh*t. Of course dubya is a far cry from being a war hero. But Bush never went around proclaiming himself to be a war hero, nor did he call his fellow service men war criminals in order to advance his own political career, nor did he throw his medals back, nor did he fake injuries to receive medals he didn't deserve, etc etc etc.

 

[Heeed!]

I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

Let me think about that for a second........ah, NO.

Let me ponder for 2 more seconds.....Nope. Same answer. NO.

 

[MoosePilot]

If he's elected, I'll continue to pay the proper respect to my elected president.

Until then, I believe I'm free to say hell no.

 

[R-Me-Doc]

I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

I respect Kerry and I plan to vote for him.
Can't tell you what the rest of the Army thinks of him, but I do know that within the medical corps there's a lot of dissatisfaction with Bush.

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[gatorfan99]

The people that are saying "no" are dumb trolls, no one in this forum could possibly account for the opinion of ALL members of the armed forces. I am (like most of the people on this forum) still in school (with an Army scholarship) and not an active member of the military and I do respect him.

And I despise Bush <coward frat boy

 

[Heeed!]

The people that are saying "no" are dumb trolls, no one in this forum could possibly account for the opinion of ALL members of the armed forces. I am (like most of the people on this forum) still in school (with an Army scholarship) and not an active member of the military and I do respect him.

And I despise Bush <coward frat boy

Hey, Boston U Dental 2008---how much prior military experience do you have?
I would be cautious of calling the regular posters in this forum "trolls." Go ahead and state your opinion. But your recent appearance here on the scene is noted. How about being respectful?

 

[CodeBlueMD]

Gator - Somewhat articulate post with a conclusion that sent it to the toilet. Coward frat boy? Very insightful, especially for a freshman dental student.

 

[militarymd]

Hey, Boston U Dental 2008---how much prior military experience do you have?
I would be cautious of calling the regular posters in this forum "trolls." Go ahead and state your opinion. But your recent appearance here on the scene is noted. How about being respectful?

ditto on the above

 

[militarymd]

ditto on the above

👎 👎 👎 on Kerry

 

[gatorfan99]

Gator - Somewhat articulate post with a conclusion that sent it to the toilet. Coward frat boy? Very insightful, especially for a freshman dental student.

As insightful as the other posts in this thread have been. Lets leave politics to the "Everyone" forum.

 

[CodeBlueMD]

Yes sir Gator. Moving thread to everyone lounge immediately, 2 Lt.

 

[MoosePilot]

The people that are saying "no" are dumb trolls, no one in this forum could possibly account for the opinion of ALL members of the armed forces. I am (like most of the people on this forum) still in school (with an Army scholarship) and not an active member of the military and I do respect him.

And I despise Bush <coward frat boy

Nice. Are you familiar with the UCMJ and the reprecussions for speaking contemptuously of your Commander in Chief? Or did the recruiter fail to mention that you were giving up some of your rights to free speech?

 

[Mirror Form]

I respect Kerry and I plan to vote for him.
Can't tell you what the rest of the Army thinks of him, but I do know that within the medical corps there's a lot of dissatisfaction with Bush.

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I'm currently doing an ADT in an army hospital and disparaging remarks about kerry are a regular occurence. I'm not surprised considering that we're dealing with people who have two reasons to hate him: they're in the military and they're physicians. Do you guys really expect military physicians to like a guy like kerry with a running mate like edwards???

 

[Homunculus]

As insightful as the other posts in this thread have been. Lets leave politics to the "Everyone" forum.

see, that's the difference between this forum and the everyone forum. even when we disagree we tend to do it with more civility.

things were going well until you threw out the "dumb troll" comment.

the everyone forum is unmoderated-- this one, however, is moderated with a Big Club. 😎

--your friendly neighborhood club-wielding moderating caveman

 

[SheroDoc]

Wow. It seems like most people at least on here really can't stand Kerry. I had predicted otherwise mostly from talking to friends who were pissed for having been deployed off to Iraq.

 

[Heeed!]

Wow. It seems like most people at least on here really can't stand Kerry. I had predicted otherwise mostly from talking to friends who were pissed for having been deployed off to Iraq.

Nobody likes deploying, except maybe Moose drivers. But we have a duty concept that carries us through. If your friends think that deployments will cease if Kerry takes over, they're suffering from the "grass is greener" syndrome. Well, on second thought, maybe their deployments will cease because they'll be RIFed.

 

[MoosePilot]

Nobody likes deploying, except maybe Moose drivers.

I've had a couple of TDYs to Hawaii, Australia, and Thailand that I wouldn't complain about, but other than that I prefer home as well. If I'm going to deploy, though, I'd rather do it for a cause and a leader I believe in.

 

[thenavysurgeon]

Ahh...I like Kerry, and I'm in the military. I think an honest and open-minded examination of why we're currently in Iraq should make everyone in the military question the motives of administration that placed us there.

 

[thenavysurgeon]

another thought...
i think a number of military folks are deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world. A military bent on killing people and supporting domestic corporation's foreign business interests keeps folks like moosepilot and others employed. listen to their rhetoric. would you hire them?

 

[flighterdoc]

I want to know if John Kerry is well respected by alot of people in the military. Not neccesarily in relationship to Bush, just what are people's impression are of him.

I'm retired, but still have contacts in the military. I don't know anyone who supports Kerry, and the longer the campaign goes on the less respect he's getting.

 

[flighterdoc]

In response to a previous post, and simply to play devil's advocate, if you compare military records between the presidential contenders, Bush doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Bush doesn't have anything to be ashamed of. Read this, and get some facts.

In particular, the F102 was NOT a safe airplane to fly, with an accident rate more than 3 times higher than the airplane I flew (F4's).

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=140803


BTW, Kerry "volunteered" for swift boat duty when they weren't being tactically employed (they weren't being used in any dangerous manner). He must have been suprised to find out that the mission changed when he got there. Thats probably why he arranged to get out of Dodge as quickly as he could.

You can get a chapter of the book "Unfit for Command" from the link in this thread

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=141060

 

[flighterdoc]

If he's elected, I'll continue to pay the proper respect to my elected president.

Until then, I believe I'm free to say hell no.

You're obliged to offer the appropriate respect to the Commander in Chief. The man, on the other hand........

 

[Homunculus]

another thought...
i think a number of military folks are deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world. A military bent on killing people and supporting domestic corporation's foreign business interests keeps folks like moosepilot and others employed. listen to their rhetoric. would you hire them?

i'm confused. why would someone in the military, competent or not, want to be in a situation where they can get deployed? if anything it would lead me to believe the opposite-- that is, if they *still* support a president after sending them to war, they must either believe in what they're doing or really really not like the other guy . . granted, it may be more of the second option, but to say people in the military support bush for job security is a stretch.

--your friendly neighborhood independent caveman

 

[exia80]

they might be choosing the lesser of two evils....


when both candidates leave much 2 be desired waht can u do other than b*tch, moan, and complain???

 

[thenavysurgeon]

i think a lot of people in the military find themselved is a difficult situation.

1. they quietly resent the current adminstration's inept and dangerous foreign policy (see # 3 below)
2. there is social pressure within the military to not complain about it
3. they recognize that they are 'the tip of the sword' to carry out these assinine policies (ie deployments)
4. they recognize that they would be unable to get a job, let alone succeed, in the real world, and thus, feel 'stuck' in the military, which tolerates their incompetance.

 

[Homunculus]

i think a lot of people in the military find themselved is a difficult situation.

1. they quietly resent the current adminstration's inept and dangerous foreign policy (see # 3 below)
2. there is social pressure within the military to not complain about it
3. they recognize that they are 'the tip of the sword' to carry out these assinine policies (ie deployments)
4. they recognize that they would be unable to get a job, let alone succeed, in the real world, and thus, feel 'stuck' in the military, which tolerates their incompetance.

1-3 i don't have a problem with. number 4 doesn't make sense-- think of it this way-- if you are incompetent, and simply want to keep your job, how is supporting bush's policies helping to that end? wouldn't supporting bush make your job *more* dangerous? similarly, how is supporting kerry going to "get you fired" from your current job?

perhaps what i need is a definition of the group you are calling "a lot of people in the military" are we talking line soldiers, cooks, drivers, docs, nurses, JAG . .?

--your friendly neighborhood almost done for the day caveman

 

[Tiger26]

See how the men who served with Kerry feel about him http://www.swiftvets.com/

 

[notdeadyet]

Wow. It seems like most people at least on here really can't stand Kerry. I had predicted otherwise mostly from talking to friends who were pissed for having been deployed off to Iraq.

I don't know how much of the comments here you can take to individuals being pro-Bush/anti-Kerry as much as folks simply being partisan by nature.

The general community is roughly a 50/50 split between Democrats and Republicans. Among military officers, the split is about 8 to 1 Republican.

So I'd guess you'll find folks on this board supporting Kerry at about 1 to 8, which seems pretty close so far. Ah, politics...

 

[tman]

i think a lot of people in the military find themselved is a difficult situation.

1. they quietly resent the current adminstration's inept and dangerous foreign policy (see # 3 below)
2. there is social pressure within the military to not complain about it
3. they recognize that they are 'the tip of the sword' to carry out these assinine policies (ie deployments)
4. they recognize that they would be unable to get a job, let alone succeed, in the real world, and thus, feel 'stuck' in the military, which tolerates their incompetance.

Spoken likea true liberal...and let me guess, all enlisted people such as my former self are forced into service to escape our impoverished lives which we are forced into because Republicans won't support welfare, and socialized medicine for everyone, and of course we are all too stupid to get a real job so we are forced into the military...no wonder you dislike the military so much, you're like a fish out of water...

 

[notdeadyet]

See how the men who served with Kerry feel about him http://www.swiftvets.com/

Actually, members of this group appearing in the ad campaigns actually spoke out in _favor_ of Kerry months ago.

This organization is sponsored by officers of Gannon International, a Missouri company with long Republican connections. It does lots of overseas business, in, ironically, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. You can actually see that the site was originally registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, Gannon's information technology manager, at the firm's headquarters address.

The "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" campaign was launched with the guidance of Republican presidential friends from Texas, Houston attorney John E. O'Neill and corporate media consultant Merrie Spaeth.

This is all public record, PM me if you want the links. I'm most definitely NOT a Kerry supporter, but I think as present/future physicians, it's important to dig a little deeper than to buy into any information that comes to us just because we like how it looks. It'd be kind of dangerous medically, no?

 

[Mirror Form]

i think a lot of people in the military find themselved is a difficult situation.

1. they quietly resent the current adminstration's inept and dangerous foreign policy (see # 3 below)
2. there is social pressure within the military to not complain about it
3. they recognize that they are 'the tip of the sword' to carry out these assinine policies (ie deployments)
4. they recognize that they would be unable to get a job, let alone succeed, in the real world, and thus, feel 'stuck' in the military, which tolerates their incompetance.

LOL, nice god complex. I think I'm beginning to understand why you ended up getting so screwed with OR time. **** like that frequently happens in the military to surgeons with huge ego's who think they're too important for everybody else.

 

[Globus P]

another thought...
i think a number of military folks are deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world. A military bent on killing people and supporting domestic corporation's foreign business interests keeps folks like moosepilot and others employed. listen to their rhetoric. would you hire them?

I am absolutely shocked to hear this.

At one of my medical school interviews, I was asked by a MSIV on the interview board..."so I see that you have spend the last 8 years of your life learning to kill people. So why do you now what to help people?"

I was floored that someone would minize the role of the military as simply a job of killers. I answered her question by telling her that we (members of the military) are not war-mongers, but defenders of the freedom she enjoys. And how nice it is for her to be able to make such a comment. She didn't dare interrupt my 15 minute reply.

Sounds like "thenavysurgeon" is of the same mold as the MSIV that interviewed me.

"Thenavysurgeon" I dare you to walked up to the ship's bridge (or walk into one of the squadron ready rooms) and announce that they (the officers and crew) are "deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world." See what response that gets you.

As "tman" said, you truly are a fish out of water.

 

[Globus P]

LOL, nice god complex. I think I'm beginning to understand why you ended up getting so screwed with OR time. **** like that frequently happens in the military to surgeons with huge ego's who think they're too important for everybody else.

No joke! Amen brother.

 

[militarymd]

"Thenavysurgeon" I dare you to walked up to the ship's bridge (or walk into one of the squadron ready rooms) and announce that they (the officers and crew) are "deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world." See what response that gets you.

If he did that, he will most likely go to Captain's Mast, and get into a lot of trouble for expressing his opinions......

However.....if tomorrow the president cuts the military's personnel and budget, and all those "ready-room" folks had to get jobs in the "real" world, I think the tables would be turned in an extreme way.

Thenavysurgeon...making big bucks in private practice, driving a Mercedes, living in a mansion...while the others....well, I know how my father-in-law (retired after 30 years) is living.

BTW, I will vote for Bush.

 

[Catfish John]

Nice. Are you familiar with the UCMJ and the reprecussions for speaking contemptuously of your Commander in Chief? Or did the recruiter fail to mention that you were giving up some of your rights to free speech?

Oh give it a rest, dude. People are speaking freely of their opinions of the two presidential candidates on an anonymous internet forum. Are you denying that George W. Bush did everything in his power to avoid service when it was his chance to stand up. Are you not aware that Bush is a towel snapping frat boy? I'll add a few more since I am free of military repercussion as a regular citizen:

Bush is illiterate--made a point of proclaiming that he does not read the newspaper
Bush has gotten everything in life through family name--average grades and got into Yale through legacy alone, Champaigne Unit of Texas Guard, No real job for DECADES, Supreme Court voted him into White House
Bush is a liar--see WMDs and countless campaign promises

It's interesting that so many people have so little respect for Kerry...when he has seen more active combat than 99% of you. Last time I checked, the U.S. doesn't give out medals to help someone's political career 3 decades later. Maybe y'all should be a little more analytical of the group of chickenhawks you seem so eager to support---Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld---and just give Kerry his due, even if you don't want to vote for him. He's earned it.

 

[Mirror Form]

However.....if tomorrow the president cuts the military's personnel and budget, and all those "ready-room" folks had to get jobs in the "real" world, I think the tables would be turned in an extreme way.

I agree that there are people in the military who enjoy the "government work" mentality. But to suggest that one of the main reasons most people in the military seem pro-bush is b/c they're too incompetent to find work in the civilian sector is pretty ignorant and incredibley asanine.

 

[Mirror Form]

Last time I checked, the U.S. doesn't give out medals to help someone's political career 3 decades later.

Something tells me that you haven't read much about that issue if you think it's that simple. Maybe you shouldn't form opinions before looking at the facts. But anyway, that topic has been discussed and there is even a book currently about it, so don't just write it off. The fact that you did just write it off shows that you aren't thinking critically yourself. I also doubt you know anything about how the military awards medals.

Maybe y'all should be a little more analytical of the group of chickenhawks you seem so eager to support---Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld---and just give Kerry his due, even if you don't want to vote for him. He's earned it.

Sorry, I don't think someone who married into money twice in order to advance his political career and probably lied to recieve medals, deserves anything from me except disdain.

 

[r90t]

Bush's war record is less than impressive Kerry's, as he flew fighters INCONUS in the national guard. I have lost about more friends than I'd like to count to naval aviation accidents flying in peacetime in the US and around the world. They weren't at war, yet they risked and paid the hgihest sacrifice. Bush doesn't play up his "routine" yet dangerous service one bit.

I don't like the stressors that Bush as put on a peacetime structured military in a likely prolonged conflict, however, I don't like Kerry at all.

 

[Heeed!]

Oh give it a rest, dude. People are speaking freely of their opinions of the two presidential candidates on an anonymous internet forum. Are you denying that George W. Bush did everything in his power to avoid service when it was his chance to stand up. Are you not aware that Bush is a towel snapping frat boy? I'll add a few more since I am free of military repercussion as a regular citizen:

Bush is illiterate--made a point of proclaiming that he does not read the newspaper
Bush has gotten everything in life through family name--average grades and got into Yale through legacy alone, Champaigne Unit of Texas Guard, No real job for DECADES, Supreme Court voted him into White House
Bush is a liar--see WMDs and countless campaign promises

It's interesting that so many people have so little respect for Kerry...when he has seen more active combat than 99% of you. Last time I checked, the U.S. doesn't give out medals to help someone's political career 3 decades later. Maybe y'all should be a little more analytical of the group of chickenhawks you seem so eager to support---Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld---and just give Kerry his due, even if you don't want to vote for him. He's earned it.

It's sort of funny to watch posters who finally decide to pitch into a fight after hawking it and then reveal their own ignorance. Catfish, do you, in actuality, have any idea how medals are awarded? Do you have any idea how intelligence is gathered and utilized (humint, psyops, imagery, etc)? I'm sure you're almost ready to retire w/ 20 years of service to your country even though you just joined SDN, but your post screams ignorance of how the military works.
It seems to me Kerry could be lumped in with one of the biggest liars in recent memory: Slick Willy. My all time favorite quote was when Clinton said (I'm paraphrasing), "I believe a person can lie and basically still be honest." If anyone can post a link to that quote I'd love to see it again. When I think about it I always get a good , and then and finally 👎 👎 👎

 

[MoosePilot]

another thought...
i think a number of military folks are deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world. A military bent on killing people and supporting domestic corporation's foreign business interests keeps folks like moosepilot and others employed. listen to their rhetoric. would you hire them?

The military does in fact currently keep me employed. If it didn't, I could get a job flying for an airline. After 9-11 the airlines slowed their hiring way down, but I'd most likely still get picked up by at least a regional carrier with my experience. If I didn't get hired by an airline, I could get my civilian instructor ticket and teach at a flight school. I could get a teaching certificate and teach. I could probably get any number of jobs with my BS.

Or I could just use the opportunity to get accepted into med school a little quicker. My 3.2/36 isn't going to get me into a top ten, but I'm sure I could pick up some acceptances.

I serve my country becaue I love it, not because I'd starve if I didn't. That's a pitiful attack and I really shouldn't even respond because it's feeding you, but even a pitiful irritation is an irritation.

 

[MoosePilot]

Oh give it a rest, dude. People are speaking freely of their opinions of the two presidential candidates on an anonymous internet forum. Are you denying that George W. Bush did everything in his power to avoid service when it was his chance to stand up. Are you not aware that Bush is a towel snapping frat boy? I'll add a few more since I am free of military repercussion as a regular citizen:

Bush is illiterate--made a point of proclaiming that he does not read the newspaper
Bush has gotten everything in life through family name--average grades and got into Yale through legacy alone, Champaigne Unit of Texas Guard, No real job for DECADES, Supreme Court voted him into White House
Bush is a liar--see WMDs and countless campaign promises

It's interesting that so many people have so little respect for Kerry...when he has seen more active combat than 99% of you. Last time I checked, the U.S. doesn't give out medals to help someone's political career 3 decades later. Maybe y'all should be a little more analytical of the group of chickenhawks you seem so eager to support---Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld---and just give Kerry his due, even if you don't want to vote for him. He's earned it.

People are speaking freely on the internet, but it annoys the heck out of me that someone who isn't in the war uses his military student role to support his opinion of his Commander in Chief in a way that violates the military code of justice.

I criticize Sen. Kerry mostly for what he did after his active combat. It would be hard for me to compare my combat experience to his, but I certainly wouldn't say he's seen more combat than I have. I've served in combat zones for the past 2 years and in the military for the past 7. There's a good chance that he saw more intense action during his 4 months of active operations, although I have been shot at and mortared during my 2 years of active operations.

If you want to argue that we don't have a basis to judge him, I have to ask if you've ever flown high performance jet aircraft? I have and I completely respect my President's service. I lost two men from my unit when I was in training. Military aviation is not safe or easy service and the fact that you dismiss the President's record shows your ignorance.

 

[Tiger26]

1) It's funny to see the liberals (which they don't want to be called anymore--they want to be called progressive because the term hides their policies) lash out at the ad for the financing behind it, while they say nothing about the Fahrenheit 9/11 financing and the propaganda by moveon.org and billionaire George Soros behind it. Not to mention the fact that the movie is really just a bunch of clips taken out of context and spliced together to assign blame. The latest inaccuracy shown is that Moore even altered a headline on an opinion page to read like it was a factual headline on the frontpage.
-the liberals aren't disputing the facts of the ad, just the financing.

2) Kerry called for the removal of Sadaam in Iraq to rid him of WMD before the war. He was a victim of the same inadequate intelligence that the President received. It's not like Bush is in-country collecting intel to use. He had to act on what he received. Do you think that the dems wouldn't be calling for his head if he hadn't acted on it and something would have happened.

-I strongly recommend that you view the compilation of video clips at http://www.kerryoniraq.com/
-In the catastrophic event that Kerry is elected, he won't have the ability to act solely on hindsight, as he has acted during his campaign. Notice the polar shift in his rhetoric when it has become electorally advantageous to do so.

3) It's absurd to think that Bush can't lead because he was in a fraternity or because he has been wealthy. Don't forget that John Kerry divorced his wife who had a $300 million fortune to marry Teresa Heinz (whose company outsources 72% of jobs) whose fortune eclipses $1 billion, had five multi-million dollar houses, cars, butlers to make him pb&j sandwiches, etc.

4) Don't EVER tell me that members of the military are too incompetent to get jobs in the "real world." Being in the military is as close as it gets to the real world. Most Americans aren't thrust into a situation where they encounter heavily armed enemies horrific enough to behead them. They have to leave their families for up to a year at a time, face this danger, and are in charge of keeping themselves and those underneath them safe enough to get home. In short, they keep you safe and allow you to navigate the "real world."
-My grandfather loved his Navy experience, which according to most on this forum seems impossible because he was 1st in his class at Northwestern in both the dental school and the orthodonic school when they existed. Despite being this proficient and qualified, he points to this as the best time of his life.

5) Again check out the above website--he's a walking contradiction. Mind you, this is just related to his military history. His Senate record is even worse--350 votes for tax increases, votes against intelligence and weapons funding, vote against Lacy Peterson law, for abortion (even though he says life begins at conception--murder?), vote to cut medicare and medical liability reform 10 times, vote for 50 cent increase on gas taxes, against welfare reform, for and then against 87 billion for military, against missile defence, against tort reform, against 1st Gulf War, etc.

Please check the facts before you vote!

 

[MoosePilot]

another thought...
i think a number of military folks are deluded into supporting the current administration because, deep inside, they know they are too incompetent to serve in the civilian world. A military bent on killing people and supporting domestic corporation's foreign business interests keeps folks like moosepilot and others employed. listen to their rhetoric. would you hire them?

Yet another thought, if we're so incompetent that the only job we can hold down is killing people, wouldn't a sane man at least be polite?

No, that's not a threat, I'm just making a joke.

 

[R-Me-Doc]

I've had a couple of TDYs to Hawaii, Australia, and Thailand that I wouldn't complain about, but other than that I prefer home as well. If I'm going to deploy, though, I'd rather do it for a cause and a leader I believe in.

Me too. Hence my vote for Kerry.

 

[R-Me-Doc]

Heheheh

For a nice humorous bipartisan break, turn on your speakers and go to

http//www.jibjab.com

and click on the "click to play" icon. Hilarious -- puts everything in it's proper perspective.

As I recently read somewhere:
"America has the choice between voting for a prep school and Yale educated white boy from a wealthy family with a questionable military record who got where he is today largely through family connections, or we can vote for a prep school and Yale educated white boy from a wealthy family with a questionable military record who got where he is today largely through family connections."

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