Is medical massage considered clinical experience?

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Originally I asked this over at r/premed and while I got some excellent feedback I wanted to cross-post to see if anyone else had more thoughts / suggestions / clarity to share:

Title is pretty self-explanatory but for context here's what I'm talking about:

I've been a massage therapist for about 13 years. I've worked primarily with what is called "medical massage," e.g. clients post car accidents, surgeries (mastectomies, open heart surgeries, etc), those with chronic conditions looking for respite care (rheumatoid arth. generalized anxiety disorder, etc), pregnant women, and athletes dealing with chronic issues. I've always just rented a room somewhere, sometimes it was within another office (chiropractor's office) but most of my working life was spent in professional buildings. I took medical insurance for years and as such navigated doctor's referrals, insurance requirements and billing, wrote progress notes as necessary, and spent a fair amount of time charting to track my clients goals and changes.

I had previously thought that because of the nature of my work it would probably count as clinical experience. And I've seen posts here(r/premed) that say if you are "close enough to smell the patient" then it's clinical. BUT my pre-med advisor mentioned it might not count because it wasn't in a hospital (though I did do a hospital internship in massage school in 2007) or a nursing home, etc. I wanted to get people's opinions here in part because I don't know that my pre-med advisor totally understood the nature of my work. After our meeting it occurred to me that she might have thinking about massage from the more "relaxing" point of view (e.g. what you'd get in a spa), not treatment massage which is much more akin to what a PT would do for some hands-on treatment.

Any help is appreciated!

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whenpeanutmetbutter said:
Originally I asked this over at r/premed and while I got some excellent feedback I wanted to cross-post to see if anyone else had more thoughts / suggestions / clarity to share:

Title is pretty self-explanatory but for context here's what I'm talking about:

I've been a massage therapist for about 13 years. I've worked primarily with what is called "medical massage," e.g. clients post car accidents, surgeries (mastectomies, open heart surgeries, etc), those with chronic conditions looking for respite care (rheumatoid arth. generalized anxiety disorder, etc), pregnant women, and athletes dealing with chronic issues. I've always just rented a room somewhere, sometimes it was within another office (chiropractor's office) but most of my working life was spent in professional buildings. I took medical insurance for years and as such navigated doctor's referrals, insurance requirements and billing, wrote progress notes as necessary, and spent a fair amount of time charting to track my clients goals and changes.

I had previously thought that because of the nature of my work it would probably count as clinical experience. And I've seen posts here(r/premed) that say if you are "close enough to smell the patient" then it's clinical. BUT my pre-med advisor mentioned it might not count because it wasn't in a hospital (though I did do a hospital internship in massage school in 2007) or a nursing home, etc. I wanted to get people's opinions here in part because I don't know that my pre-med advisor totally understood the nature of my work. After our meeting it occurred to me that she might have thinking about massage from the more "relaxing" point of view (e.g. what you'd get in a spa), not treatment massage which is much more akin to what a PT would do for some hands-on treatment.

Any help is appreciated!
Hey @whenpeanutmetbutter,

"Medical" massage kinda straddles the line in between medicine and esthetician-type work. Although you may have detailed notes about your clients (and were close enough to touch them), massage is not traditionally considered clinical experience. If you were a physical therapist it would be different. I would not list this under clinical experience--it goes in your ECs section. It's interesting, it's different, and it's nontraditional, but it's not really clinical experience.

Hope this helps.
 
Hey @whenpeanutmetbutter,

"Medical" massage kinda straddles the line in between medicine and esthetician-type work. Although you may have detailed notes about your clients (and were close enough to touch them), massage is not traditionally considered clinical experience. If you were a physical therapist it would be different. I would not list this under clinical experience--it goes in your ECs section. It's interesting, it's different, and it's nontraditional, but it's not really clinical experience.

Hope this helps.


It does indeed. Thanks so much!
 
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I think this does straddle the line. Things like massage to treat lymphedema and such is just as much medical treatment as a lot of other things in my book.

I would maybe avoid listing it as clinical experience because some might not see it that way based on their ideas/opinions/past experiences.

However, if I saw this prominently displayed on an app I'd want to ask about it. If I found out it was medical message and being used to treat medical conditions, I'd personally consider it clinical experience (If I was interviewing you for instance).
 
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The task seems to be clearly clinical, but there’ll be a negative connotation if your patients aren’t seeing a healthcare provider before going to you.
 
I don’t think it’s considered clinical experience, but it should be. You stated you work with clients that were in car accidents or had surgeries and clients with chronic conditions.
 
This falls under "integrative medicine" so you will get mixed messages. I don't know what the reddit folks responded, but I think for the purposes of doing direct patient care (clinical experience), you need to have that well documented (comparable to a PA program/CASPA application).

From my Google search:

 
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