Medical Is my significant other giving me good advice about turning down acceptance to Ross or holding me back?

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I have been accepted to Ross for the summer of 2020 term, but my significant other is very concerned. He is worried about not only the attrition rate, but the sheer amount of debt (on top of the $142,000 I owe) and a coins-flip chance at a residency. He has offered to help and is strongly encouraging me to apply to U.S schools. I will have to retake my MCAT as it is too old (from 2015).

Do you think I should just go and do it, and stop wasting time? I have done several application cycles, I usually get quite a few interviews but I am usually waitlisted afterwards. It might be my personality, as I come across (so I'm told) as meek and unsure of myself. Do you think my boyfriend is being unrealistic about my getting into a U.S. school, and is holding my back?

I am a nontraditional student with a bachelors (3.65 overall GPA) and masters (3.4) in chemistry, MCAT 507. I have shadowed 3 physicians (2 M.D. and 1 D.O.) and 1 osteopathic medical student. 4 years volunteering at a hospital in Florida in the Outpatient Surgery Center. Currently a contract scientist for a major pharmaceutical company (2 years) with college teaching experience (5 years).

1) Do not go to the caribbean

2) This is good advice, and is helping you push forward, not holding you back as he has legit concerns - things you yourself should be concerned about

3) So no, do not just go an do it.

4) I think your boyfriend is being more realistic than you are as opposed to unrealistic. I understand where the confusion may come from, but do not go to the caribbean. You have the stats (from what you tell us) for DO and maybe state MD, especially if you score even higher on the MCAT since it's dated. If what you say is true in terms of personality holding you back, then practice interviewing with people.

5) You shadowed a DO or a DO student? If you did shadow a student as opposed to a DO, why did you not shadow a DO? Where there are DO students, there are DOs.
 
Turn down the acceptance. A growing six figure student loan debt upon graduation with no guarantee of matching is unwanted stress and potential waste of studies vs. applying MD / DO. Many of our admins with this experience will state the same as the risk is not worth the reward. The fact that you have received interviews and have been waitlisted puts you extremely close with your efforts on staying stateside (as you should). Healthcare professionals both in and outside the realm of medical schooling can attest on the avoidance of the Caribbean.
 
Your SO is very wise. Put the rock on the finger and don't let him get away.

Here's why going to Ross is a bad idea:
The point isn't that there are successful Carib grads. The point is how many additional obstacles to success you face by going to a Carib school.

The pool of US applicants from the Caribbean is viewed differently by Program Directors. The DDx for a Caribbean grad is pretty off-putting: bad judgment, bad advice, egotism, gullibility, overbearing parents, inability to delay gratification, IA's, legal problems, weak research skills, high risk behavior. This is not to say that all of them still have the quality that drew them into this situation. There is just no way to know which ones they are. Some PD's are in a position where they need to, or can afford to take risks too! So, some do get interviews.
Bad grades and scores are the least of the deficits from a PD's standpoint. A strong academic showing in a Caribbean medical school does not erase this stigma. It fact it increases the perception that the reason for the choice was on the above-mentioned list!

Just about everyone from a Caribbean school has one or more of these problems and PDs know it. That's why their grads are the last choice even with a high Step 1 score.

There was a time when folks whose only flaw was being a late bloomer went Carib, but those days are gone. There are a number of US med schools that will reward reinvention.

It's likely you'll be in the bottom half or two thirds of the class that gets dismissed before Step 1. The business plan of a Carib school depends on the majority of the class not needing to be supported in clinical rotations. They literally can't place all 250+ of the starting class at clinical sites (educational malpractice, really. If this happened at a US school, they be shut down by LCME or COCA, and sued.



The Carib (and other offshore) schools have very tenuous, very expensive, very controversial relationships with a very small number of US clinical sites. You may think you can just ask to do your clinical rotations at a site near home. Nope. You may think you don't have to worry about this stuff. Wrong.

And let's say you get through med school in the Carib and get what you need out of the various clinical rotation scenarios. Then you are in the match gamble. I don't need to say a word about this - you can find everything you need to know at nrmp.org.

You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib threshing machine (like Skip Intro or mikkus) into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?

A little light reading:

Million $ Mistake

http://www.tameersiddiqui.com/medical-school-at-sgu

"Why didn't I Match?"

 
Just adding to everyone: work on those interviewing skills and continue to network. Really practice. You just need a strong advocate in your file deliberations among the admissions committee, and you may find that champion. The debt is nothing to sneeze at, and given the trends where graduates are being placed, it's really important to consider.
 
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