is nyu the bottom school

[mikedoc]

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is nyu the bottom school in terms of getting in?

 

[sddat]

check out predents.com It's the best place to find out how D-schools are ranked.

 

[gogobruin]

I think NYU is a great schoo, but the class is too big. U have to be motivative to be in the class!

 

[illusionD]

i wouldn't consider it a bottom school. i've recieved interview invites from other so-called better schools, but heard nothing from NYU yet.

 

[efficient]

Definitely not. NYU is a great school. It really has taken a leadership role among the dental schools in the past few years.

 

[harrygt]

Definitely not. NYU is a great school. It really has taken a leadership role among the dental schools in the past few years.

Leadership in cost of attendance? Lol, just joking...
I'm sure it is not the bottom school. You have Howard, Meharry and a couple of other dental schools leading the bottom.

 

[I-Baby]

Leadership in cost of attendance? Lol, just joking...
I'm sure it is not the bottom school. You have Howard, Meharry and a couple of other dental schools leading the bottom.

In terms of what?

 

[harrygt]

In terms of what?

In terms of average scores [DAT, GPA], and presumably in terms of getting in.

 

[misstoothfairy]

all you're going to get is opinions. Here's mine. Great facilities, probably one of the best. Size of class is too large. They accept 225, but only have space for 175. They rely on people failing out first year. They accept generally lower DAT scores but you need a reasonable GPA, around 3.4 to be competitive. In the upper end in terms of costs, but you gotta factor in the cost of the location. This place will cost much more than USC in the end. Staff is great.

 

[I-Baby]

In terms of average scores [DAT, GPA], and presumably in terms of getting in.

I beg to differ. With the way competition is now, bottom schools don't seem to exist and getting in is definitely not easy in any regards.

 

[Andrew324]

They accept 225, but only have space for 175. They rely on people failing out first year.

I dont think so...

You should take a tour 🙂

 

[somethinpositiv]

all you're going to get is opinions. Here's mine. Great facilities, probably one of the best. Size of class is too large. They accept 225, but only have space for 175. They rely on people failing out first year.

That is untrue.

though, in all fairness, you did say that it is your opinion. It just isn't fact.

Typically, 2-3 people fail out every year. That is under a 1% attrition rate, lower than the national average. That is after the school did everything they could to try to help those students. If you score in the bottom 50% on exams, they call you in to talk to the dean, so that they can help struggling students.

They rely on student's tuition (high tuition at that), the last thing they want is the students dropping out. The facilities have space for exactly the number of students that the school can support, no more, no less.

All the rumors about NYU just make me laugh. If you haven't talked to current NYU students and administrators and visited the school, don't believe all the haters and naysayers, spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

 

[realcavity]

just get in first

 

[klutzy1987]

I beg to differ. With the way competition is now, bottom schools don't seem to exist and getting in is definitely not easy in any regards.

Thats not true, with the grades those schools accept, you can guess every question on the entire DAT and still get a high enough grade yo get accepted there. A 15 AA is an abomination yet those schools accept such a score. Bottom schools definitely do exist.

 

[theroadshow]

Yes, it is considered one of the bottom 5 schools by most measures.

 

[Boat on the Chesapeake]

It may fall under low categories on pre-dents but it's competitiveness is really skewed by the high cost of tuition/living, that's why they have a hard time attracting more competitive candidates. The facilities and quality of education seem much much higher in person and they definitely create a good media image for themselves in New York.

 

[AFdentalgirl]

It may fall under low categories on pre-dents but it's competitiveness is really skewed by the high cost of tuition/living, that's why they have a hard time attracting more competitive candidates. The facilities and quality of education seem much much higher in person and they definitely create a good media image for themselves in New York.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me... you're basically saying competitive candidates won't go to NYU because it costs so much to live there...

 

[Dentgirl09]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me... you're basically saying competitive candidates won't go to NYU because it costs so much to live there...

Exactly... I believe that to be true of any school that is not considered top 5 (harvard....). You may pay extra to go to a school like that... but when it comes down to it.... Huge tuition and one of the highest living expenses in terms of location. Same issue with Boston University.....

Of course, its not true in every case, but i think the cost does play a large role in the decisions of those with multiple acceptances--- a competitive candidate...

I suppose it is opinion in the end.

 

[TeethandGums]

thats not true, with the grades those schools accept, you can guess every question on the entire dat and still get a high enough grade to get accepted there. A 15 aa is an abomination yet those schools accept such a score. Bottom schools definitely do exist.

lmao!!!

 

[boxdesker]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me... you're basically saying competitive candidates won't go to NYU because it costs so much to live there...

That actually makes perfect sense to me. Your summary also makes perfect sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is that it doesn't make sense to you.👍

 

[AFdentalgirl]

Exactly... I believe that to be true of any school that is not considered top 5 (harvard....). You may pay extra to go to a school like that... but when it comes down to it.... Huge tuition and one of the highest living expenses in terms of location. Same issue with Boston University.....

Of course, its not true in every case, but i think the cost does play a large role in the decisions of those with multiple acceptances--- a competitive candidate...

I suppose it is opinion in the end.

i get what you're saying, but if it is a "good" school then it seems like those with multiple acceptances may choose nyu too. i understand now though, about competitive applicants having more acceptances.

 

[misstoothfairy]

How about we address the question with the assumption that cost isn't the issue. So.. assuming you are not the one paying for your school, nor do you feel bad that your parents are paying for it, would you be able to get into NYU opposed to say, BU?

Or how about, we assume the location of your state of origin is indifferent. Would it be easier to get into
Boston University, NYU, USC?

I think this better asks his/her question.

 

[Dentgirl09]

How about we address the question with the assumption that cost isn't the issue. So.. assuming you are not the one paying for your school, nor do you feel bad that your parents are paying for it, would you be able to get into NYU opposed to say, BU?

Or how about, we assume the location of your state of origin is indifferent. Would it be easier to get into
Boston University, NYU, USC?

I think this better asks his/her question.

It seems to be all relative. I'm sure you will find people with lower and higher stats being accepted / interviewed at all of these schools. I think it becomes unclear when you are not talking about the highest "ranked" schools. These highly ranked school have a very very clear definition of what type of candidate they will accept. ASDOH doens't have the highest GPA/DAT yet look at how many are getting rejected. Some schools look for more than just GPA / DAT... and some don't. Some put emphasis on different aspects...

Again, I think its all matter of opinion and preference when it comes to comparing these schools. Especially if you take into consideration how early you applied, strength of your PS, etc...... theres really no way to say. In the end, you are getting your degree. A dentist I recently shadowed for used to be a proud UPENN alum, until he hired 3 consecutive recent graduates from UPENN who all failed miserably in his practice. Now, UPENN has a great rep, but he felt they were not trained well clinically. It's just hard to say I feel. (I am NOT bashing UPENN--it is just ONE person's opinion..and an example). In the end, if you get into NYU... you should visit the school, talk to the dean, get opinions of the some students, and then make your own decision based upon your impression.

 

[DRHOYA]

^
I read this thread, and see what you are saying. However, you mention "ranked" and "highly ranked" dental schools. To my knowledge, this is all opinion as there is no legitimate ranking system for dental schools. I guess most people think that b/c a school has a high entering gpa/dat then it must be good...............

Anyway, if you are fortunate enough to have multiple acceptances, then it would be wise to choose the school you are most comfortable at, and where you can get the best clinical training. If you are not comfortable, then you will not do well. Also, think about where you want to eventually practice............it may be wise to go to dental school instate. Once you have made those decisions, then I would factor in tuition and cost of living between the schools you've narrowed down. However, if you do not have multiple acceptances, be happy you got in somewhere, and go become a Dentist🙂👍.

 

[Resonance]

Thats not true, with the grades those schools accept, you can guess every question on the entire DAT and still get a high enough grade yo get accepted there. A 15 AA is an abomination yet those schools accept such a score. Bottom schools definitely do exist.

Though I agree that a 15 is and awful score most schools do accept individuals with such scores and lower. Referencing the range of DAT scores listed by the individuals schools in the 2008 ADEA OGDS, the only schools that did not accept a single score below 17 were UCLA, San Fran, U of P, Harv, and Creighton.

 

[klutzy1987]

Though I agree that a 15 is and awful score most schools do accept individuals with such scores and lower. Referencing the range of DAT scores listed by the individuals schools in the 2008 ADEA OGDS, the only schools that did not accept a single score below 17 were UCLA, San Fran, U of P, Harv, and Creighton.

These stats are not very accurate, I am pretty sure that Stonybrook did not accept someone with a 16AA.

 

[armorshell]

These stats are not very accurate, I am pretty sure that Stonybrook did not accept someone with a 16AA.

Maybe he meant single section below 17, as in QR, RC, blahblahblha

 

[harrygt]

These stats are not very accurate, I am pretty sure that Stonybrook did not accept someone with a 16AA.

Klutzy, I guess he was saying a single score of 17 in any sectoin, and not necessarily AA.

 

[Oracle DMD]

NYU is a great school. I don't go there but the word is that the staff is quality and you'll pass your boards and get a good education. Ranking dental schools is absurd. the only stat to be worried about is the pass rate of their students on the boards. to my knowledge NYU students do fairly well on the boards. there are a handfull of schools known for having students fail their first attempt at he boards and i would tend to steer clear of those schools which i will not name- do your own investigating and come to your own conclusions.
what is most important is that you understand that different schools are great for different students. even more important, the vast majority that you will learn about dentistry will be learned AFTER dental school. it's crazy competitive to get in so if you get accepted anywhere...be happy.

 

[Lopyswine]

Thats not true, with the grades those schools accept, you can guess every question on the entire DAT and still get a high enough grade yo get accepted there. A 15 AA is an abomination yet those schools accept such a score. Bottom schools definitely do exist.

While I personally think dental schools should higher standards than Meharry and Howard, what should we care how a private school picks their students.

They aren't funded by our tax dollars.
They are doing a service to the community.
They pick candidates that want to serve the community.
and most importantly,
Their student must pass the same NBDE part 1,2 and licensing exams as the rest of us.

 

[misstoothfairy]

While I personally think dental schools should higher standards than Meharry and Howard, what should we care how a private school picks their students.

They aren't funded by our tax dollars.
They are doing a service to the community.
They pick candidates that want to serve the community.
and most importantly,
Their student must pass the same NBDE part 1,2 and licensing exams as the rest of us.

Very well said. I dunno, maybe Klutzy has something against people getting into DS with low DAT's lol.