Is Pharm.D. the easiest Doctorate to get now?

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1. Plenty of schools do not require a standardized exam.
2. Bachelors isn't required
3. New schools popping up with very low standards
4. Pretty low failure rates

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Yes. In fact, PharmD programs that struggle to fill in all of their spots such as Chapman may entire students by offering combined JD/MBA programs. What exactly do you mean by #4? Most pharmacy schools want students to fail their classes so they can spend extra money retaking these failed classes.
 
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Yes. In fact, PharmD programs that struggle to fill in all of their spots such as Chapman may entire students by offering combined JD/MBA programs. What exactly do you mean by #4? Most pharmacy schools want students to fail their classes so they can spend extra money retaking these failed classes.

Mine sure didn't. We might have lost 5 students MAX out of 120.
 
A JD is pretty easy to get, from what I hears.
 
A JD is pretty easy to get, from what I hears.

In California, you can attend a non-accredited correspondence law school and qualify for the bar exam. The non-accredited school still awards you a JD in the process.

So from a technical standpoint, I think the JD is the easiest to obtain in CA. The school I'm referring to is here: http://www.nwculaw.edu/

I'm debating doing this and taking the bar at some point...I don't wanna be a lawyer, per se, it's more of an academic pursuit and I don't want to spend $100k+ on a degree I won't use (but I still want to be admitted to the bar).
 
Some schools require a bachelors. Still, many do 4+4, just because it can be done in 6 doesn't mean that's the rule and not the exception. Most people in my class have a bachelors, only 1 or 2 did 2 years of undergrad and those who did took summer classes both years (so really 3 years equivalent).

Pharmacy school requires 4 years professional schooling, to my knowledge the only other professional doctorates (not grad doctorates like a PhD) that require 4 years in MD, DO, and DDS. DPT, JD, DNP... those are 3 years. Some may think pharmacy school wasn't that hard, but personally I found it to be rigorous, I'd have to study 40+ hours just to make a B on therapy tests that occurred every other week and had some killer 40+ page exams and tests that took 3+ hours to finish. Compared to undergrad I felt like I had to know much more and spend much more time in school, not to mention the actual class hour requirements being higher too. I don't think obtaining a PharmD is easy by any means, it might not be as hard to get into a program as it used to be, but that doesn't mean PharmD is an easy doctorate.
 
Some schools require a bachelors. Still, many do 4+4, just because it can be done in 6 doesn't mean that's the rule and not the exception. Most people in my class have a bachelors, only 1 or 2 did 2 years of undergrad and those who did took summer classes both years (so really 3 years equivalent).

Pharmacy school requires 4 years professional schooling, to my knowledge the only other professional doctorates (not grad doctorates like a PhD) that require 4 years in MD, DO, and DDS. DPT, JD, DNP... those are 3 years. Some may think pharmacy school wasn't that hard, but personally I found it to be rigorous, I'd have to study 40+ hours just to make a B on therapy tests that occurred every other week and had some killer 40+ page exams and tests that took 3+ hours to finish. Compared to undergrad I felt like I had to know much more and spend much more time in school, not to mention the actual class hour requirements being higher too. I don't think obtaining a PharmD is easy by any means, it might not be as hard to get into a program as it used to be, but that doesn't mean PharmD is an easy doctorate.
What school did you go?
 
Some schools require a bachelors. Still, many do 4+4, just because it can be done in 6 doesn't mean that's the rule and not the exception. Most people in my class have a bachelors, only 1 or 2 did 2 years of undergrad and those who did took summer classes both years (so really 3 years equivalent).

Pharmacy school requires 4 years professional schooling, to my knowledge the only other professional doctorates (not grad doctorates like a PhD) that require 4 years in MD, DO, and DDS. DPT, JD, DNP... those are 3 years. Some may think pharmacy school wasn't that hard, but personally I found it to be rigorous, I'd have to study 40+ hours just to make a B on therapy tests that occurred every other week and had some killer 40+ page exams and tests that took 3+ hours to finish. Compared to undergrad I felt like I had to know much more and spend much more time in school, not to mention the actual class hour requirements being higher too. I don't think obtaining a PharmD is easy by any means, it might not be as hard to get into a program as it used to be, but that doesn't mean PharmD is an easy doctorate.
My thoughts exactly. Pharmacy school was pretty much this exactly for me.
 
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My thoughts exactly. Pharmacy school was pretty much this exactly for me.

I second this. I have never studied this much in my entire life. But I enjoyed it...which is weird because I hate studying. Its like going to the gym. Its a struggle to go and I hate it but once I'm there I enjoy it.
 
I think the gap between Dentistry/MD and Pharm.D. became just tremendously larger in the last 4 years. I think schools like Chapman made a mockery of our profession by lowering the admission standards. There is almost no easy way to get into an MD/Dentistry school in US that i know of. Got to have the degree/GPA/Solid standardized exam scores. I feel like if you wanna become a Pharm.D. go to a new school. I mean 3.2 GPA and 20% of Chapman's entering class didn't have a bachelors. So, bare minimum will get you in. We didn't have this before. Every spot in almost every school was competitive.
 
Even some BA/BS degrees such as computer science, engineering, and finance are probably harder to obtain than a PharmD at this point. Despite the large number of first year college students who try to get into these majors, only a fraction of them actually advance to upper division courses, let alone finish and graduate. The majority of them are weeded out.
 
I second this. I have never studied this much in my entire life. But I enjoyed it...which is weird because I hate studying. Its like going to the gym. Its a struggle to go and I hate it but once I'm there I enjoy it.
All of the above said, I still think the PharmD should be revamped. So much of what I was forced to memorize I never am able to apply practically. I think more rotations and less didactic learning would be beneficial for pharmacists.
 
All of the above said, I still think the PharmD should be revamped. So much of what I was forced to memorize I never am able to apply practically. I think more rotations and less didactic learning would be beneficial for pharmacists.

Pharmacy school and pharmacy practice are so dissimilar, it's no wonder so many new grads are clueless when they start their first job. Pharmacy school is training you for a profession that doesn't exist.
 
All of the above said, I still think the PharmD should be revamped. So much of what I was forced to memorize I never am able to apply practically. I think more rotations and less didactic learning would be beneficial for pharmacists.

I think it would be interesting to model it more similar to how MD/DO learn. Most schools do 3 years didactic with your therapeutics being there and 1 year experience through APPE. I feel like I learn so much more in APPE compared to therapeutics classes that were all cram sessions where you're drinking from a firehose. Yeah, I use some of that, but it would have been better to learn these things on rotation and see them in play versus just studying them and regurgitating info. I feel like pharmacy education is more academic focused and less application focused. I think if their goal is to train us to be practitioners it would be more practical to have 2 years academic and 2 years experiential like how MD/DO is.

Pharmacy school and pharmacy practice are so dissimilar, it's no wonder so many new grads are clueless when they start their first job. Pharmacy school is training you for a profession that doesn't exist.

I agree with this. In school they push the provider status stuff pretty heavily. We learn how to manage chronic conditions (diabetes, HTN, CHF, etc.), the therapeutics for multiple diseases and organ systems and yet the jobs out there where you use those skills are very very slim. You learn the guidelines, principals of therapy, some of the diagnostics, but you'll never use that in most jobs. They over-train you for positions that don't exist, and for those that do exist they don't focus enough on current pharmacy practice. No one ever really taught me how to verify prescriptions, how to do med-checks for hospital carts or order entry work. Yet that's much of current practice, they expect you to learn that on the job I guess. So many dreams and theoretical practice models are taught where pharmacists are prescribing drugs, managing diseases, and running pharmacotherapy clinics but this isn't practical for now and may never come to fruition in the future. I guess they need to teach this to advance the profession, but that assumes advances can be made. The PharmD has existed for decades and has been the standard for about 15 years now, yet jobs actually utilizing the enhanced education compared to the BS.Pharm are far and few in between it seems. They fill you with these ideas, then say "well if you want that you should do a residency" to get more training only to land a job as a clinical pharmacist just adjusting warfarin doses, doing vanc/aminoglycoside dosing and doing some inpatient counselling. It's not much when hospital protocols let prescribers consult you to dose 5-10 drugs and then just do med counselling for discharge if the hospital doesn't have nurses already doing that. Being a PharmD still far over-trains you for this in my opinion.
 
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All of the above said, I still think the PharmD should be revamped. So much of what I was forced to memorize I never am able to apply practically. I think more rotations and less didactic learning would be beneficial for pharmacists.

There are schools that are doing more rotations nowadays. Like Touro does two years and westernu does 1.5 years. I think the problem with rotations is that the quality just varies too much. I've had some where I got to do stuff and learned a lot. Some retail rotations make u fill for 8 hours, some hospitals make you do stupid projects that are completely useless. Also problem is there is a huge shortage of quality rotations now.

I do agree that the curriculum needs to be majorily changed. Schools aren't teaching simple hospital skills like how to check for iv compatibility, dose warfarin, etc.

Or even non sterile compounding. There are more jobs for compounding pharmacist than some of those "clinical pharmacists" but a lot students that I've come accrross have never been taught to compound.
 
I do agree that the curriculum needs to be majorily changed. Schools aren't teaching simple hospital skills like how to check for iv compatibility, dose warfarin, etc.

Or even non sterile compounding. There are more jobs for compounding pharmacist than some of those "clinical pharmacists" but a lot students that I've come accrross have never been taught to compound.

If someone needs school to teach them IV compatibility, then we have other problems that need to be addressed.

Doesn't every school have at least one semester in compounding? I know I did...I mean, we used a converted anatomy lab but it got the job done.
 
All of the above said, I still think the PharmD should be revamped. So much of what I was forced to memorize I never am able to apply practically. I think more rotations and less didactic learning would be beneficial for pharmacists.

Sounds like an individual school problem...I use things I learned in school all the time and I can't think of more than 1-2 classes total that I would flat out ditch from the curriculum if it were up to me.

I do not think the Pharm.D is easy. Digsbe's description fits with mine. I think DNP is definitely easier, they do not know much when they graduate either judging by the orders I see and calls I answer. I also think audiology, PT, and definitely chiropractor programs are easier. That's saying nothing of some Ph.D programs that are pretty science-lite such as social work and history, etc.
 
Sounds like an individual school problem...I use things I learned in school all the time and I can't think of more than 1-2 classes total that I would flat out ditch from the curriculum if it were up to me.

I do not think the Pharm.D is easy. Digsbe's description fits with mine. I think DNP is definitely easier, they do not know much when they graduate either judging by the orders I see and calls I answer. I also think audiology, PT, and definitely chiropractor programs are easier. That's saying nothing of some Ph.D programs that are pretty science-lite such as social work and history, etc.
There were no classes I would outright ditch from the curriculum (ok...except maybe a few of the "fluffier" courses that just were time wasters and distracted from my work of learning therapy), but my remembrance of school is that some of the med chem memorization was over the top and not very useful in practice.
 
It ALL depends on which school you went/go to.

Generalizing all programs into one category is not something real professionals do.
 
There are schools that are doing more rotations nowadays. Like Touro does two years and westernu does 1.5 years. I think the problem with rotations is that the quality just varies too much. I've had some where I got to do stuff and learned a lot. Some retail rotations make u fill for 8 hours, some hospitals make you do stupid projects that are completely useless. Also problem is there is a huge shortage of quality rotations now.

I do agree that the curriculum needs to be majorily changed. Schools aren't teaching simple hospital skills like how to check for iv compatibility, dose warfarin, etc.

Or even non sterile compounding. There are more jobs for compounding pharmacist than some of those "clinical pharmacists" but a lot students that I've come accrross have never been taught to compound.


Wow. It must have been a real ****ty pharmacy school you went to.
 
Mine sure didn't. We might have lost 5 students MAX out of 120.


Might I add that all those in my class that failed out did only 2 years undergrad while all those with bachelor's degrees graduated with nice placements.
 
Might I add that all those in my class that failed out did only 2 years undergrad while all those with bachelor's degrees graduated with nice placements.

There are people at my school with bachelor's that fail. There are some people with no bachelor's that are ranked top 10 in my class. Just because some people decided that they didn't want to waste their time getting a bachelor's doesn't make them inferior to the ones that did.
 
If someone needs school to teach them IV compatibility, then we have other problems that need to be addressed.

Doesn't every school have at least one semester in compounding? I know I did...I mean, we used a converted anatomy lab but it got the job done.

I had a rotation student who didn't know how to answer a nurse,s question Abt compatibility of iV. Told me he was never taught how to interpret
Wow. It must have been a real ****ty pharmacy school you went to.

No, this wasn't my school. Notice that I said i had a "rotation student" . I precepted this student, we stopped accepting students from this school. I will not say which school this was.
 
If someone needs school to teach them IV compatibility, then we have other problems that need to be addressed.

Doesn't every school have at least one semester in compounding? I know I did...I mean, we used a converted anatomy lab but it got the job done.

Not really, she was bright student. When a nurse called to ask if certain three IV's were compatible she didn't know where to look and how to interpret the info that she was looking at. Surprisingly, she knew a lot of guidelines, disease states, and pathophysio. Basically stuff that wasn't all that useful.

As far as compounding, I've heard of a school that shows their students a video of compounding. This school is out of state.
 
Not really, she was bright student. When a nurse called to ask if certain three IV's were compatible she didn't know where to look and how to interpret the info that she was looking at. Surprisingly, she knew a lot of guidelines, disease states, and pathophysio. Basically stuff that wasn't all that useful.

As far as compounding, I've heard of a school that shows their students a video of compounding. This school is out of state.

Video? That's sad. That's like trying to teach IV compounding via video. We had a full simulation sterile products lab w/ embedded cameras with guest hospital pharmacy technicians teaching us the finer points of compounding -- arguably the best source for teaching it.

I mostly goofed off and posted on here during my non-sterile compounding lab....my suppositories were always crooked and weird. But at least I got to do it hands on. I remember having to synthesize ASA in my undergrad ochem lab...completely useless, but important for the sake of doing.

Regarding your student...

I mean....that's my job, as a preceptor, to fill in the gaps. It'll take me 90 seconds to teach someone IV compatibility...now if she forgot the next day, we've got a problem.

I don't know, but I don't expect a lot of actual working knowledge out of students coming onto rotations. I precept some of the best students in the country (or so I hear). What you're describing is par for the course, and 100% up to me to augment and expand upon while they're on rotations. So, who cares if they don't know? I had a student ask me what a Dobhoff tube was yesterday, by the end of the day, they were proficient in not only what types of enteral routes exist, but what you can and can't do with them from a med admin perspective.

Why do some preceptors expect students to come off 3 years of didactic work and hit the ground running in a clinical setting? The ironic thing is, if that indeed were the case, that says a lot about your own value to your job, your profession, and your skill level...and none of it positive.
 
There are people at my school with bachelor's that fail. There are some people with no bachelor's that are ranked top 10 in my class. Just because some people decided that they didn't want to waste their time getting a bachelor's doesn't make them inferior to the ones that did.


I agree. That's why I only listed the facts for my class and didn't generalize to other schools or even other classes in my school.
 
So....if some of you are going to pharmacy school without finishing your bachelor's, what is your backup plan? Surely, not all of you will make it through the program. What's the plan B? Seems weird for anyone to do this.
 
So....if some of you are going to pharmacy school without finishing your bachelor's, what is your backup plan? Surely, not all of you will make it through the program. What's the plan B? Seems weird for anyone to do this.

There is no back up plan. That is why I study my ass off. If for some reason I fail...its back to doing manual labor in a warehouse for a living and my wife would have to go back to work.

A bachelor's is pretty much useless in this day and age. My wife got a BS in psychology and couldn't really do much with it. She worked in an office making $20 an hour. Same with my friends who got a BS in chem and bio. They work in a lab making $18 an hour. I make just as much working in a warehouse driving forklifts. No degree needed.
 
Most bachelor's degrees are are worthless unless if they're in one of the high demand fields, i.e. computer science, engineering, and finance. Most pre-pharm students major in biology and chemistry due to the overlap between prereqs and major requirements. Many of my peers who majored in bio ended up switching to completely different fields, i.e. finance and software engineering or even low-wage retail jobs.
 
So....if some of you are going to pharmacy school without finishing your bachelor's, what is your backup plan? Surely, not all of you will make it through the program. What's the plan B? Seems weird for anyone to do this.

I think if you took your prereqs, like bio, chem, etc at a top Univ you will pass pharmacy school. I think I mentioned that at most 5 students didn't make it from my class. The classes there aren't designed to fail or weed out. It's all about time management and putting in the hours studying to memorize the info.
 
Hmmm....and what if you realize you don't like it? Then what?
No backup plan and acquiring debt? This is some scary sh**. You guys.......😱
I know I like Physician Assistant and I like Translational research, but the backup for me if I can't stand one or the other is to go into business.
At least finish the degree...I regret everyday not majoring in engineering. I don't know any unemployed engineers. I just couldn't stomach math past cal 2.
 
Hmmm....and what if you realize you don't like it? Then what?
No backup plan and acquiring debt? This is some scary sh**. You guys.......😱
I know I like Physician Assistant and I like Translational research, but the backup for me if I can't stand one or the other is to go into business.
At least finish the degree...I regret everyday not majoring in engineering. I don't know any unemployed engineers. I just couldn't stomach math past cal 2.

Many schools require at least some kind of shadowing experience. You don't need a backup plan. You should have done your research before applying to pharmacy school. My school's supp essay required shadowing experience to write it.

Also, while it is certainly hard to be at the top of your class, people rarely fail pharmacy school from what I hear. You really have to not give a crap.

If you saved 2 years going to pharmacy school early, at the very least, you have an extra 2 years of your life to finish your degree anyways.
 
Hmmm....and what if you realize you don't like it? Then what?
No backup plan and acquiring debt? This is some scary sh**. You guys.......😱
I know I like Physician Assistant and I like Translational research, but the backup for me if I can't stand one or the other is to go into business.
At least finish the degree...I regret everyday not majoring in engineering. I don't know any unemployed engineers. I just couldn't stomach math past cal 2.

In many cases a backup plan isn't sufficient to earn a non-PharmD salary due to loans. A BS degree earning you 30-50k a year might not be able to sustain 100k+ student loan debt one accrued during their first few years of pharmacy school if they don't fail out immediately.

I have a BS, but using it isn't my backup plan. My backup plan is not failing out at all costs because even a BS isn't sufficient. If by some catastrophic even I do fail in P4 year I guess I'd attempt to get a PhD from a non-top tier school or go into some kind of research, maybe teach ( get masters degree if I can't get a PhD, etc.) Having a BS in the sciences doesn't open as many opportunities outside of trying to get into a grad program.
 
I'd say out of the health professions it definitely is the easiest. Also YMMV but as it turns out, computer science is like the hardest thing I've ever taken in my life so I wouldn't be like, "Oh it should be my backup".
It's hard to tell how difficult my school's exams even are, at least during the first year with all the old exams and stuff floating around.

Oh, irrelevant but I am interested to know if JDs are as pretentious as pharmacists are about calling themselves Dr.s' and having others call them Drs.
 
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How hard is it to be a dentist?
 
I'd say out of the health professions it definitely is the easiest. Also YMMV but as it turns out, computer science is like the hardest thing I've ever taken in my life so I wouldn't be like, "Oh it should be my backup".
It's hard to tell how difficult my school's exams even are, at least during the first year with all the old exams and stuff floating around.

Oh, irrelevant but I am interested to know if JDs are as pretentious as pharmacists are about calling themselves Dr.s' and having others call them Drs.

Ever taken an upper level pharmacology or pharmacotherapy course in a complex organ system? How about required to be on rotation for 12 hours getting grilled by physicians, pharmacists, nurses, and sometimes patients? You'll have to study 40+ hours per exam just to make a B in some classes due to the sheer amount of content covered. What standard do you base it on being "the easiest?"

Most pharmacists aren't pretentious about being called "doctor." But you know, if chiropractors, dentists, naturopaths, DNP's, and other non-physician healthcare professionals are deserving of the title and actively displaying that title (I've never not seen a non-doctor touting chiro, naturopath or dentist) why not pharmacists who in many cases got more education than them? I support it because I think the credit is earned, considering others use it. If anything the only people truly allowed to use the term should be PhDs. Physicians kinda hijacked it when they became evidence and science based practitioners as a way to distinguish themselves from traditionalists, or non-allopaths (I believe the use of a lab coat also came from there too). Not saying that was wrong to do, I'm glad they put witch doctors in their place back in the day and asserted a culture of evidence based medicine and academic rigor. Society typically adopted "doctor" for the title of physician largely out of convenience and because that's how they marketed themselves. In an academic situation if you had a professor with a non-MD degree are you going to not refer to them as doctor soandso? Technically we all have respective titles. Pharmacist, Physician, Chiropractor, Dentist, Physical Therapist, etc, yet all hold doctorate degrees with many of them taking the same amount of professional-schooling time to complete. One can argue the rigor involved in each degree, but at the end of the day the years required is still the same.

On rotation today a physician noted my preceptor, a PharmD, as "doctor x" when consulting them in a note on the chart. My preceptor never demands it, in fact I've never met another pharmacist who does nor will I one day, but I still think the title is fully earned.
 
Ever taken an upper level pharmacology or pharmacotherapy course in a complex organ system? How about required to be on rotation for 12 hours getting grilled by physicians, pharmacists, nurses, and sometimes patients? You'll have to study 40+ hours per exam just to make a B in some classes due to the sheer amount of content covered. What standard do you base it on being "the easiest?"

Most pharmacists aren't pretentious about being called "doctor." But you know, if chiropractors, dentists, naturopaths, DNP's, and other non-physician healthcare professionals are deserving of the title and actively displaying that title (I've never not seen a non-doctor touting chiro, naturopath or dentist) why not pharmacists who in many cases got more education than them? I support it because I think the credit is earned, considering others use it. If anything the only people truly allowed to use the term should be PhDs. Physicians kinda hijacked it when they became evidence and science based practitioners as a way to distinguish themselves from traditionalists, or non-allopaths (I believe the use of a lab coat also came from there too). Not saying that was wrong to do, I'm glad they put witch doctors in their place back in the day and asserted a culture of evidence based medicine and academic rigor. Society typically adopted "doctor" for the title of physician largely out of convenience and because that's how they marketed themselves. In an academic situation if you had a professor with a non-MD degree are you going to not refer to them as doctor soandso? Technically we all have respective titles. Pharmacist, Physician, Chiropractor, Dentist, Physical Therapist, etc, yet all hold doctorate degrees with many of them taking the same amount of professional-schooling time to complete. One can argue the rigor involved in each degree, but at the end of the day the years required is still the same.

On rotation today a physician noted my preceptor, a PharmD, as "doctor x" when consulting them in a note on the chart. My preceptor never demands it, in fact I've never met another pharmacist who does nor will I one day, but I still think the title is fully earned.

The "studying" done is quite different. I'll let you know when/if I get there. I imagine, there is only one answer to those classes, instead of being handed a blank sheet of paper saying: Write a program X that does A,B,C. In a class of 200 people, no answer will be the same. This is how you determine the thinkers from those who just sit and do rote memorization all day. Ever taken a computer science class? How about data structures and algorithms? All I'm saying is, in my school alone kids were failing left and right in "first year" pharmacy classes while I just crammed the day/morning of and still made a B in. Maybe that says something about me, maybe it says something about the students, maybe it says something about the school, I don't know.

There's a reason why comp sci majors make nearly on par with new pharmds with just a BS, with higher earning potential. Not everyone can do it. And speaking as someone who left pharmacy, and am doing CS in my gap year, while interviewing for med school, yes, I do see and have seen what healthcare students go through.

I will not make this into a "My career is harder" comparison, because who knows maybe I just suck at math and abstract thinking. All I know is that any level of orgo, biochem, and pkin or whatever you call it will be nothing compared to "create a free standing program". for me. In CS it is expected you get the right answer. It's developing the quickest/most efficient way that matters. Creation vs memorization. You tell me what's more difficult in theory. And the end result is what?

Also you misread OP and my post. He said, is it the easiest and based on his points Im assuming he meant easiest to gain entry into. But you immediately jumped into defense about how hard your courses are and how much you studied. So what if you studied 40 hours a week and rotate another 40, doesn't change the fact that you can now get in with a sub 3.0 and 50 PCAT.How does the amount you study have anything to do with how "easy" it is to gain admissions now?

In case you missed it here it is again:
1. Plenty of schools do not require a standardized exam.
2. Bachelors isn't required
3. New schools popping up with very low standards
4. Pretty low failure rates

To which I said yes, it is easy. Then I said I can't say how hard my school's exams are because everyone just uses test banks the first year.
Maybe you shouldn't confuse admission standards with your academic struggles.
 
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1. Plenty of schools do not require a standardized exam.
2. Bachelors isn't required
3. New schools popping up with very low standards
4. Pretty low failure rates

By this working definition of "easy," then yes, pharmacy school is easiest to enroll into and graduate from. Conditions (1), (2) and (3) are blatantly obvious but here is some data to back up point (4).

NAPLEX pass rates across the nation are easily above 90%, factoring in schools like Charleston which has been placed on probation before. Same goes with the MPJE.

http://www.nabp.net/system/rich/ric.../813/original/naplexschoolwebsitedata2014.pdf
https://www.nabp.net/system/rich/rich_files/rich_files/000/000/192/original/mpje-pass-rates-2013.pdf
 
NABP's philosophy towards the exam is that it is a minimal competency exam, and thus, it will always have a high pass rate. You will have to change their philosophy to have a lower pass rate. NABP is at the start of a multi-year restructuring of the exam. On November 1, the new blueprint will take effect. For next year, we can expect a slightly lower pass rate. Over the course of next year, they will increase the number of questions. They haven't said if they will increase the amount of time allowed for NAPLEX. In 2017/18, they will add a new section on communication skills.
 
The "studying" done is quite different. I'll let you know when/if I get there. I imagine, there is only one answer to those classes, instead of being handed a blank sheet of paper saying: Write a program X that does A,B,C. In a class of 200 people, no answer will be the same. This is how you determine the thinkers from those who just sit and do rote memorization all day. Ever taken a computer science class? How about data structures and algorithms? All I'm saying is, in my school alone kids were failing left and right in "first year" pharmacy classes while I just crammed the day/morning of and still made a B in. Maybe that says something about me, maybe it says something about the students, maybe it says something about the school, I don't know.

There's a reason why comp sci majors make nearly on par with new pharmds with just a BS, with higher earning potential. Not everyone can do it. And speaking as someone who left pharmacy, and am doing CS in my gap year, while interviewing for med school, yes, I do see and have seen what healthcare students go through.

I will not make this into a "My career is harder" comparison, because who knows maybe I just suck at math and abstract thinking. All I know is that any level of orgo, biochem, and pkin or whatever you call it will be nothing compared to "create a free standing program". for me. In CS it is expected you get the right answer. It's developing the quickest/most efficient way that matters. Creation vs memorization. You tell me what's more difficult in theory. And the end result is what?

Also you misread OP and my post. He said, is it the easiest and based on his points Im assuming he meant easiest to gain entry into. But you immediately jumped into defense about how hard your courses are and how much you studied. So what if you studied 40 hours a week and rotate another 40, doesn't change the fact that you can now get in with a sub 3.0 and 50 PCAT.How does the amount you study have anything to do with how "easy" it is to gain admissions now?

In case you missed it here it is again:
1. Plenty of schools do not require a standardized exam.
2. Bachelors isn't required
3. New schools popping up with very low standards
4. Pretty low failure rates

To which I said yes, it is easy. Then I said I can't say how hard my school's exams are because everyone just uses test banks the first year.
Maybe you shouldn't confuse admission standards with your academic struggles.

Creation and memorization are different things and one will be more difficult than the other depending on the individual. Actually, an individual dubbed the Rain Main had a remarkable ability to memorize and recall information, yet he was clinically ******ed. I suppose you would find individuals who are more adept at creating/innovating but lack in the department of recalling/memorizing information. In my own experience, I had always excelled in math and took higher level math classes (for the challenge) designated for engineering students and performed at the top of the class in each one. However, with the exception of a few classes, I performed at the bottom of the heap of **** in each of my pharmacy classes ^^
 
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I think some people have an easier time in Pharmacy due to memorization. It's not everything, but if you do it well, I think you've won at least half the battle right off. It helps with the increased workload that schools try to cram in. That's why you get a lot of these "It's sooo easy, I just study a few hours before the test..." people, but some people still have to work at it. Doesn't mean they're not as smart though.

The unfortunate thing about Pharmacy is you get a lot of students who can blow through the curriculum, but aren't really good with dealing with people and have a lot of hang ups with that. For example, I think a lot of people can't stand retail because you have to deal with people face to face. Some still do it for the $, but whine constantly about how horrible it is for them to have to lower themselves to deal with patients. You also see a few shocking discussion threads here (talking down about patients, some near racist comments, etc). Things that would seem to be below the level of someone with a doctorate degree. So I think that pure book level intelligence doesn't always equate to high level thinking for everyone. So in the sense that some flawed people that may not be well suited for health care can get the degree, then maybe perhaps it is too easy, but only in that sense. However, overall, I don't think Pharmacists should degrade themselves by claiming that the degree is easy to get.
 
Does anyone know about the changing NAPLEX standards?

http://www.nabp.net/programs/examination/naplex/naplex-blueprint

We were just told about this in class the other day, they take effect Nov 1, not sure if it will result in a direct NAPLEX change. Also heard that the number of exam questions is going way up and exam time increasing by another hour or so..... Any thoughts?? Maybe someone is actually looking at the very high pass rates nationwide and addressing it....
 
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