Is radiology stimulating and enjoyable as an attending or does the never ending list and careful attention to detail get tedious?

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MS4 applying to not sure yet in a couple months. I’ve been IM vs Rads vs Anesthesia for awhile but I’m really disliking my current IM sub I (love the knowledge but so much of the day is spent “not doing medicine”) and I didn’t love my anesthesia rotation but left thinking it would be a fine career path.

On the contrary I actually really liked my radiology rotation. Everyone kept saying “rads is super boring to watch, but great when you’re doing it” but I still found myself pretty engaged and fascinated most of the time. In 4 weeks I saw so much cool **** (so many tumor boards, esthesioneuroblastoma, MRA lymphangiography, VHL hemangioastomas in the spinal cord, congenital cardiac imaging, and so much more). We’d have lunch lectures on ILD imaging and then the next day a lecture on pediatric neuroimaging. I was blown away by the attendings knowledge base not just with anatomy and rare pathology, but with their knowledge of management of diseases too. Things like surgical approaches for elbow fractures, different approaches for imperforate anus. How angioinvasive fungal sinusitis presents and how this subtle finding can clue you in versus this other subtle finding. Super rare diseases I’ve never heard of before, temporal bone anatomy and how x ENT procedure will work or won’t depending on this or that finding, etc. it was all very impressive and interesting for me.

I know everything becomes routine after years as an attending (even brain surgery) but I feel that radiology has some unique challenges that could make the routine worse?? l think most attendings can kind of coast throughout their day with the average patient and everything will be fine (your 1000th lap chole doesn’t require maximum brain power), however I feel like if you start coasting in radiology you’re going to miss things. Then that risk obviously goes up with the huge volume of reads in modern radiology. I guess I just wonder if you still find it interesting and stimulating going through your 70th CT scan of the day especially when you still have to be “on” for it and highly detailed orientated even in the last hour of your shift? Does this get tedious by your 20,000th scan or is it still enjoyable/tolerable/interesting enough?
 
recently surpassed my 20,000th scan as an attending

still stimulating/interesting yes, exhausting after the 70th CT scan of the day also yes

unfortunately gone are the days of reading 25-30 scans in a day and having time for a meeting and going out for lunch
 
MS4 applying to not sure yet in a couple months. I’ve been IM vs Rads vs Anesthesia for awhile but I’m really disliking my current IM sub I (love the knowledge but so much of the day is spent “not doing medicine”) and I didn’t love my anesthesia rotation but left thinking it would be a fine career path.

On the contrary I actually really liked my radiology rotation. Everyone kept saying “rads is super boring to watch, but great when you’re doing it” but I still found myself pretty engaged and fascinated most of the time. In 4 weeks I saw so much cool **** (so many tumor boards, esthesioneuroblastoma, MRA lymphangiography, VHL hemangioastomas in the spinal cord, congenital cardiac imaging, and so much more). We’d have lunch lectures on ILD imaging and then the next day a lecture on pediatric neuroimaging. I was blown away by the attendings knowledge base not just with anatomy and rare pathology, but with their knowledge of management of diseases too. Things like surgical approaches for elbow fractures, different approaches for imperforate anus. How angioinvasive fungal sinusitis presents and how this subtle finding can clue you in versus this other subtle finding. Super rare diseases I’ve never heard of before, temporal bone anatomy and how x ENT procedure will work or won’t depending on this or that finding, etc. it was all very impressive and interesting for me.

I know everything becomes routine after years as an attending (even brain surgery) but I feel that radiology has some unique challenges that could make the routine worse?? l think most attendings can kind of coast throughout their day with the average patient and everything will be fine (your 1000th lap chole doesn’t require maximum brain power), however I feel like if you start coasting in radiology you’re going to miss things. Then that risk obviously goes up with the huge volume of reads in modern radiology. I guess I just wonder if you still find it interesting and stimulating going through your 70th CT scan of the day especially when you still have to be “on” for it and highly detailed orientated even in the last hour of your shift? Does this get tedious by your 20,000th scan or is it still enjoyable/tolerable/interesting enough?

A career in medicine these days has challenges and its impossible to predict how things play out for each field and medicine in general...To your point, reading high volume studies is a mental drain. Much of it is routine/boring but I do occasionally encounter a cool case that satisfies me (I look at reading as solving puzzles). Regardless I am constantly looking stuff online and asking colleagues for consults etc. It is progressively becoming more isolating with more wfh but many like this.
 
recently surpassed my 20,000th scan as an attending

still stimulating/interesting yes, exhausting after the 70th CT scan of the day also yes

unfortunately gone are the days of reading 25-30 scans in a day and having time for a meeting and going out for lunch
Holy cow, 70 a day? I’m starting R2/PGY3 and I can maybe do 15 chest CTs in a day, 20 if I’m really pushing it and there aren’t any really complex ones. Is 70 the norm for an average PP day?
 
Holy cow, 70 a day? I’m starting R2/PGY3 and I can maybe do 15 chest CTs in a day, 20 if I’m really pushing it and there aren’t any really complex ones. Is 70 the norm for an average PP day?

70+ cross sectionals is not uncommon in PP, but it’s achievable if you have a good case mix, especially if heavy on neuro.

It’s hard to compare PP volumes to residency when you have staff check out, and in general have a higher complexity case mix. I remember the days early in residency when 10 CTs was a full day. Focus on quality and a solid search pattern first. Stay hungry and push yourself, and the gains in efficiency will come with time.
 
Night call will bring that number up fast
I start night call in a month and am at a program that has true independent call. I’ve heard from seniors that nights are hell, but everyone seems to come out feeling prepared so I guess it’s good for me even if it’s temporary suck.
 
Holy cow, 70 a day? I’m starting R2/PGY3 and I can maybe do 15 chest CTs in a day, 20 if I’m really pushing it and there aren’t any really complex ones. Is 70 the norm for an average PP day?
I'm in academics and pretty much only hit 70 in a day when on a shift 10+ hours (weekends). Most regular days (<10 hours) are 40-60.
 
Holy cow, 70 a day? I’m starting R2/PGY3 and I can maybe do 15 chest CTs in a day, 20 if I’m really pushing it and there aren’t any really complex ones. Is 70 the norm for an average PP day?

70 cross-sectional/day is probably >95th%.
 
In radiology there's always interesting pathology wherever you work. Of course the concentration will be much higher at tertiary/quarternary referral centers where patients with rare/complex disease congregate, and you're more likely to be asked for a 2nd opinion in some way. But more interesting cases also comes with more uncertainty (and that means more stress when your name is on the line), and also often more needy referrers. Also you get paid less doing academics generally.

This is an oversimplification of course, but for most people by the time you're done training, you'll be satisfied seeing all the rare pathology you did in training and will actively prefer a routine lower stress job, especially if it has higher pay attached.
 
"interesting/stimulating" is over rated. Everything is boring once you do it enough and if it's not then it's probably a high stress environment which is terrible for long term sustainability. Find a practice that you can do >90% type 1 heuristics so you have energy to do things outside of work.
 
Agree with the above. Everything becomes routine, and that's far from a bad thing. Trust you don't want to be maximizing your brain power out in practice every single day. Personally I'd rather read like 99% normals all day. The RVUs are the same.
 
Agree with the above. Everything becomes routine, and that's far from a bad thing. Trust you don't want to be maximizing your brain power out in practice every single day. Personally I'd rather read like 99% normals all day. The RVUs are the same.
99% normals is a boring existence. I didn't go into radiology to do well visits / physical exams.
 
Agree with the above. Everything becomes routine, and that's far from a bad thing. Trust you don't want to be maximizing your brain power out in practice every single day. Personally I'd rather read like 99% normals all day. The RVUs are the same.

Agree. At this point in my life, I've realized how precious/limited our bandwidth is. Would rather spend it on family/friends etc
 
99% normals is a boring existence. I didn't go into radiology to do well visits / physical exams.

Don’t worry. There is no practice with 99% normals, no matter how much we want them sometimes. I was on a 7 hr call the other day and read about 60 cross-sectionals and just over 50 plain films and US. I was hoping for routine easy reads since it was so busy, yet still came across a few staging studies, a case of basilar impression, NSIP/ILD and another CTA stroke with a subtle AVM, amongst others.
 
99% normals is a boring existence. I didn't go into radiology to do well visits / physical exams.
We should join the same practice. I'll send you all the +s and you send me the -s.

It'll be great!

Joking of course (unless your interested...)
 
As a Body Rad I find it more fullfiling when I do different modalities, such as US, CT, MRI. And also to be able to follow cases in different modalities. Private practice can be a lonely job, as there is not a lot of interaction with peers or residents. And sometimes due to high volume it can feel rushed.
 
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