Is Roseman a bad school to attend if I want to specialize?

[thegoatest]

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Can anyone answer this question? I understand it is a P/F program... so am I correct in thinking that is a bad thing in order to be competitive for specialty residencies? I know there are other schools that are P/F too, but Roseman isn't exactly on the same level as Harvard when it comes to prestige and credibility.

 

[DMDDDSHopeful]

Have you applied there? Did you interview?

 

[DreamingOfDentistry]

They said at our interview that had 28/30 people who wanted to specialize were able to and the year before that they all were able to. Doesn't sound like itsa problem if you want to specialize.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

They said at our interview that had 28/30 people who wanted to specialize were able to and the year before that they all were able to. Doesn't sound like itsa problem if you want to specialize.

You have to take everything that a school tells you with a huge grain of salt. They are trying to sell themselves to you. To the OP, all dental students that i've talked to have told me to stay away from P/F schools if you want to specialize (unless of course you're at a school like Harvard). It's a lot harder to stand out.

 

[DMDDDSHopeful]

You have to take everything that a school tells you with a huge grain of salt. They are trying to sell themselves to you. To the OP, all dental students that i've talked to have told me to stay away from P/F schools if you want to specialize (unless of course you're at a school like Harvard). It's a lot harder to stand out.

Why do schools have to lie and sell themselves when the supply demand is in their favor?

 

[Likkriue]

Why do schools have to lie and sell themselves when the supply demand is in their favor?

Many schools vy for the same applicants and those applicants can only choose one school. So they have to sell them. Look how many acceptances some people get. Some get 6, that means 6 schools gunning for that same applicant.

 

[DreamingOfDentistry]

You have to take everything that a school tells you with a huge grain of salt. They are trying to sell themselves to you. To the OP, all dental students that i've talked to have told me to stay away from P/F schools if you want to specialize (unless of course you're at a school like Harvard). It's a lot harder to stand out.

I understand that. I'm just parroting what I heard at the interview to OP.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

They said at our interview that had 28/30 people who wanted to specialize were able to and the year before that they all were able to. Doesn't sound like itsa problem if you want to specialize.

28/30 dental students at Roseman specialized?... I find that really hard to believe..

 

[Incis0r]

all dental students that i've talked to have told me to stay away from P/F schools if you want to specialize (unless of course you're at a school like Harvard). It's a lot harder to stand out.

What about a school like UConn?
P/F grading; unranked

 

[Mascota]

This is hearsay, but I a friend of mine that goes to Roseman right now said they recently took NBDE 1 and 10% of the class failed. If that's true, that would make me question their students preparedness for the ADAT since that would be the only gauge of academic preparedness for adcoms. Everyone that has specialized at Roseman did so before that was a factor.

 

[Panis et Circenses]

What about a school like UConn?
P/F grading; unranked

I'm not sure, but my guess is that it might be harder unless they have their own specialty programs or something.

 

[DreamingOfDentistry]

This is hearsay, but I a friend of mine that goes to Roseman right now said they recently took NBDE 1 and 10% of the class failed. If that's true, that would make me question their students preparedness for the ADAT since that would be the only gauge of academic preparedness for adcoms. Everyone that has specialized at Roseman did so before that was a factor.

In recent years they had 97 or 96 percent then just recently it went down to 94% because grading criteria or question types changed on the exam( can't remember exactly) A head dude at Roseman is a chair on the board that creates the exams so I'm sure he's got some pressure to put on the students to do well. they did show us the stats and explained the two percent drop. I feel at least there was some transparency. Who knows who to trust I guess.

 

[DreamingOfDentistry]

28/30 dental students at Roseman specialized?... I find that really hard to believe..

Some of them maybe went to residency programs. Maybe they didn't all specialize persay. Sorry if I worded that wrong.

 

[distressstudent]

They said at our interview that had 28/30 people who wanted to specialize were able to and the year before that they all were able to. Doesn't sound like itsa problem if you want to specialize.

I can almost guarantee you they included AEGD/GPR into that figure (if not all 28)

 

[DMikes]

Is is the student, not the school. If you do well there is nothing holding you back from specializing.

 

[Cello]

Is is the student, not the school. If you do well there is nothing holding you back from specializing.

This.

Want to go ortho? Get involved, do research, demonstrate leadership, have good ECs and good grades.
Want to go OMFS? Do externships, do research, rank near the top of your class (schools may be P/F but often still rank students)

For many specialties it is mostly about demonstrating commitment and interest. Grades are important, but you only need to be in the top 20% or 25% to be competitive for some specialties. Many specialty programs are going to the ADAT, and a good letter from your dean is very important no matter what you want to do.

Many schools vy for the same applicants and those applicants can only choose one school. So they have to sell them. Look how many acceptances some people get. Some get 6, that means 6 schools gunning for that same applicant.

Roseman will have no problem filling their class this year and every student pays the same tuition.

I can almost guarantee you they included AEGD/GPR into that figure (if not all 28)

I interviewed at ASDOH last cycle and they gave specifics. I was surprised by the number of people applying for specialty programs from there and all of them got in.

 

[Tooth Fairy 1]

I'm a D2 at Roseman now and love it here! The best part about our school is the clinical experience we get with oral surgery and faculty. If someone wants to specialize they absolutely have the means to do so because the faculty have your back here. As D1s everyone wanted to specialize now that's cut to a 1/3 and I would say a high majority of our seniors get into their specialty of choice. I'll also add that getting into a specialty program isn't as difficult as I once thought it was as a pre-dent. I personally have done a lot of extracurriculars in case I do apply, but I know some seniors who have chosen not to be active but have proven themselves in clinic and are now in a specialty of their choice.

 

[thegoatest]

I'm a D2 at Roseman now and love it here! The best part about our school is the clinical experience we get with oral surgery and faculty. If someone wants to specialize they absolutely have the means to do so because the faculty have your back here. As D1s everyone wanted to specialize now that's cut to a 1/3 and I would say a high majority of our seniors get into their specialty of choice. I'll also add that getting into a specialty program isn't as difficult as I once thought it was as a pre-dent. I personally have done a lot of extracurriculars in case I do apply, but I know some seniors who have chosen not to be active but have proven themselves in clinic and are now in a specialty of their choice.

I am on the Air Force HPSP scholarship and am interested in OMS and Ortho. I have heard it is very difficult to match with an ortho program, but not as much with OMS (at least in the military). Is this doable coming from Roseman with no class rank? Do you have a lot doing Ortho and OMS? Side note: I literally just barely applied to Roseman this week. I have great stats, so I hope that is enough to compensate for my super late application.

 

[FanOfCostco]

Not sure about ortho with military because no one applied to it, but I can tell you that the first class had someone go into omfs via Army I believe. Second class we had 2 people go for Air Force Omfs but did not get it.

On a different note, could be related or not, but a few of the deans are still active military so they for sure know how to point you the right direction.

 

[Tooth Fairy 1]

I currently go to Roseman. I think there's this huge myth that residency is so hard to get into etc. But honestly every one I know that applied got in and have consistent interviews. I know students for GPR, AEGD, Oral Surgery, Perio, lots of peds, 1 anesthesiologist, and 1 ortho. If I wanted to get into a residency program and set my mind to it I know I could get in. I feel like that applies to most dental schools in the nation. I'd say ortho is the hardest residency to get into--I know a D4 who applied and he got in Roseman's Ortho Program so he's really excited.

 

[ProspectivePostPreDent]

I'm not sure, but my guess is that it might be harder unless they have their own specialty programs or something.

UConn, along with UCLA, Columbia, and Harvard, has near perfect specialty placement year in and year out.

Now if you're going to a less competitive school that's p/f, yes that may work against you.