Is there a need for foreign trained dentist?

[Firm]

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I'm not trying to offend anyone, but is there a need for foreign trained dentists? There are so many americans applying to dental schools and residency programs, I just don't see why a school would accept a non-tax paying student that may or may not practice in the US. There is good dentistry all over the world, but if a school wants to diversify their program why not give someone here a chance?

 

[hammoudeh71]

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but is there a need for foreign trained dentists? There are so many americans applying to dental schools and residency programs, I just don't see why a school would accept a non-tax paying student that may or may not practice in the US. There is good dentistry all over the world, but if a school wants to diversify their program why not give someone here a chance?

The fact that a fresh graduate dentist starts with at least 100k a year in whichever city in the united states despite all the current economy crisis makes it clear that there is a need for dentists, whether foreign trained dentists or not. Besides, i dont exactly understand what you mean by non-tax paying, as most of foreign graduates practice in the states and pay taxes throughout the rest of their lifes, while the very little minority that go back to practice in their country will have to spend years of hard working to make up for the fortunes they had to pay in US schools. Such countries accept american students and dentists equally with their own students and dentists. And trust me, if dentistry was good all around the world, you wouldnt find any foreign trained dentist here. Last but not least, you should know that foreign trained dentists do NOT compete with US students in such schools, and they have their own program, their own requirements, their own seats, and their own curriculum curriculum. Besides, after you graduate, you will be what you make of yourself, not what a foreign trained dentist has left for you.

 

[La fea]

The fact that a fresh graduate dentist starts with at least 100k a year in whichever city in the united states despite all the current economy crisis makes it clear that there is a need for dentists, whether foreign trained dentists or not. Besides, i dont exactly understand what you mean by non-tax paying, as most of foreign graduates practice in the states and pay taxes throughout the rest of their lifes, while the very little minority that go back to practice in their country will have to spend years of hard working to make up for the fortunes they had to pay in US schools. Such countries accept american students and dentists equally with their own students and dentists. And trust me, if dentistry was good all around the world, you wouldnt find any foreign trained dentist here. Last but not least, you should know that foreign trained dentists do NOT compete with US students in such schools, and they have their own program, their own requirements, their own seats, and their own curriculum curriculum. Besides, after you graduate, you will be what you make of yourself, not what a foreign trained dentist has left for you.

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That and a little thing called diversity.
And please check your facts. Foreign students not just graduates pay taxes on any and all income. And the tuition is wayyyy more expensive in some schools.

 

[Firm]

Rarely do FTD or their parents pay taxes before going to school. Right now, there aren't a lot of dentist coming out of school making $100K/year. Sure they don't compete to get into school, but they do compete when they get out of school. My point is the advantage should be weighted toward the american student whose parents have been paying into the system. There is plenty of diversity in American that I don't see the need to bring students from abroad.

 

[Evik23]

there are a couple of reasons why the american schools take foreign trained dentists and even have separate programs for them. firstly, dental schools in the us are loosing money like crazy, which is why some of the top schools have shut their doors. these international programs that they start are a very easy way for them to make money. a fresh local dental student will be wasting lots of material which is expensive whereas a trained dentist would not be wasting as much. so they need much lesser resources to train the ftd's to bring them up to the american standards of dentistry in terms of faculty, dental materials. so if you look at the tuition fee that the colleges charge the ftd's, you will clearly see that for them, its all about the money! in addition to this, these programs are for two years or three years, so to some extent, it could help overcome the shortage of dentists that they are facing a little bit faster. and one more thing, many students go abroad just to go to dental school, so, yes their parents do pay taxes!

 

[happyk9]

Rarely do FTD or their parents pay taxes before going to school. Right now, there aren't a lot of dentist coming out of school making $100K/year. Sure they don't compete to get into school, but they do compete when they get out of school. My point is the advantage should be weighted toward the american student whose parents have been paying into the system. There is plenty of diversity in American that I don't see the need to bring students from abroad.

I don't want to provoke anybody and annoy anyone here. But I want my voice to be heard: We come to this country mostly for a better life just like what your ancestors did. FTD make much more effort to reach the same level as their american peers. So instead of complaining that we take your chance away probably you can make a little bit more effort so you can become a dentist? Sorry for my harsh remarks.

 

[smyle32]

I don't want to provoke anybody and annoy anyone here. But I want my voice to be heard: We come to this country mostly for a better life just like what your ancestors did. FTD make much more effort to reach the same level as their american peers. So instead of complaining that we take your chance away probably you can make a little bit more effort so you can become a dentist? Sorry for my harsh remarks.

😀 very well said

To the OP, majority of foreign dentists are already here in US when they are applying to dental schools, as students/dependents/ permanent residents /citizens. In any case they do pay taxes. Its only a very small percent that apply directly from other countries. Besides,many schools accept only those applicants who have citizenship/permanent residency.

 

[lalamode123]

if there wasn't a need for foreign-trained dentists, why would schools offer such programs in the first place?

i dont think it's up to you to decide what dreams and goals other people should pursue. perhaps it's your own insecurities and lack of confidence that prompted you to post this thread in the first place.

 

[VenkatV]

Ignorance is such a bliss.

/thread.

 

[Firm]

I don't want to provoke anybody and annoy anyone here. But I want my voice to be heard: We come to this country mostly for a better life just like what your ancestors did. FTD make much more effort to reach the same level as their american peers. So instead of complaining that we take your chance away probably you can make a little bit more effort so you can become a dentist? Sorry for my harsh remarks.

I'm all for people coming here for a better life. I have nothing against immigrants or foreign trained dentists coming here. My point is with the number of applicants to dental schools, is it necessary to give foreign trained dentists advanced standing?

The dental schools are obviously doing it for the money. I've just seen so many FTD's go right into residency programs or 3rd year in dental school while american citizens whose parents have been paying into these state tax systems are passed over. I wouldn't be able to do that in another country. I just think that FTD's should have to go through the same process as everyone else. Go to college, get accepted to dental school, 4 years of dental school, get accepted to a residency.

 

[hammoudeh71]

I'm all for people coming here for a better life. I have nothing against immigrants or foreign trained dentists coming here. My point is with the number of applicants to dental schools, is it necessary to give foreign trained dentists advanced standing?

The dental schools are obviously doing it for the money. I've just seen so many FTD's go right into residency programs or 3rd year in dental school while american citizens whose parents have been paying into these state tax systems are passed over. I wouldn't be able to do that in another country. I just think that FTD's should have to go through the same process as everyone else. Go to college, get accepted to dental school, 4 years of dental school, get accepted to a residency.

Look man, i still have no idea what u're trying to prove here, bu i think u should rather address ur complaints to the IRS instead. And if u want a piece of advice.. stay away from dentistry, cuz its primary requirements for success r confidence along with selflessness...apparently u lack both

 

[happyk9]

I'm all for people coming here for a better life. I have nothing against immigrants or foreign trained dentists coming here. My point is with the number of applicants to dental schools, is it necessary to give foreign trained dentists advanced standing?

The dental schools are obviously doing it for the money. I've just seen so many FTD's go right into residency programs or 3rd year in dental school while american citizens whose parents have been paying into these state tax systems are passed over. I wouldn't be able to do that in another country. I just think that FTD's should have to go through the same process as everyone else. Go to college, get accepted to dental school, 4 years of dental school, get accepted to a residency.

I can not hold myself to be cynical. Why don't you suggest us (FTDs) work as immigrant farm workers and pick strawberries for you?

Just let you know that most FTDs finished their education and got rigorous training in their countries before they come to the US. From my own experience there is no big difference how dentists treat their patients both in US and my country. Actually dentists in other countries work more hours and earn less. About twenty years ago all the FTDs could work as dentists in US after they pass the NBDE and state board exam. Recently ADA raised the threshold that require all the FTDs to take two-year (some three-year) advance standing programs so there is no flood of FTDs in US. This policy is already not fair for FTDs. Foreign-trained-physicians don't need to go back to medical school after they pass the USMLE. Why foreign-trained dentists?

On the other hand, if all the US dental schools open their doors to the students all over the world, how many american students will be accepted? I am sure there are many international applicants are willing to compete with you to get admitted.

My point here is: The opportunities of getting education for everyone in this country, no matter this person is american citizen or immigrant, are not privileges.

 

[drsrn]

I'm all for people coming here for a better life. I have nothing against immigrants or foreign trained dentists coming here. My point is with the number of applicants to dental schools, is it necessary to give foreign trained dentists advanced standing?

The dental schools are obviously doing it for the money. I've just seen so many FTD's go right into residency programs or 3rd year in dental school while american citizens whose parents have been paying into these state tax systems are passed over. I wouldn't be able to do that in another country. I just think that FTD's should have to go through the same process as everyone else. Go to college, get accepted to dental school, 4 years of dental school, get accepted to a residency.

Guys guys guys:
I think this person is not going to understand whatever way you try to explain him/her. Just ignore this thread and stop wasting your time. We (FTDs) are in no way obligated to explain anything to anyone especially when the matter is beyond this person's comprehension abilities. Since we have much more headaches to attend to, lets not give undeserving importance to this thread.

@Firm:
I suppose you understand that your concerns will not materialize on this forum. This forum is for people coming out and helping others and not debating on foolish issues which are not going to benefit anyone. Find some place else to voice your opinions. Thanks for understanding and invest your time in something more useful.

 

[Youth]

Ignorance is such a bliss.

/thread.

 

[OneTooth]

Whoever started this.. Get a life.. We're taking over.. Wheather you like it or not buddy!! Enjoy your life.. or whatevers left.. You never know when we'll dominate the world.
MUHAHAHAHHAHA

 

[booz]

Look man, i still have no idea what u're trying to prove here, bu i think u should rather address ur complaints to the IRS instead. And if u want a piece of advice.. stay away from dentistry, cuz its primary requirements for success r confidence along with selflessness...apparently u lack both

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[Firm]

I can not hold myself to be cynical. Why don't you suggest us (FTDs) work as immigrant farm workers and pick strawberries for you?

Just let you know that most FTDs finished their education and got rigorous training in their countries before they come to the US. From my own experience there is no big difference how dentists treat their patients both in US and my country. Actually dentists in other countries work more hours and earn less. About twenty years ago all the FTDs could work as dentists in US after they pass the NBDE and state board exam. Recently ADA raised the threshold that require all the FTDs to take two-year (some three-year) advance standing programs so there is no flood of FTDs in US. This policy is already not fair for FTDs. Foreign-trained-physicians don't need to go back to medical school after they pass the USMLE. Why foreign-trained dentists?

On the other hand, if all the US dental schools open their doors to the students all over the world, how many american students will be accepted? I am sure there are many international applicants are willing to compete with you to get admitted.

My point here is: The opportunities of getting education for everyone in this country, no matter this person is american citizen or immigrant, are not privileges.

I see your point. It should not make a difference for a private school. However as an american citizen public schools always give preference to their own students. Some schools don't even allow students from other states. These same schools will bring in FTD's, essentially making it easier to get accepted as an FTD than an out of state american. Again if the roles were reversed, which someday they might be, I don't think other countries would be so kind.

 

[omaralt]

to answer the question; and not get into a immigration debate; NO; there is no need for more dentists in this country (foreign or otherwise). there are a lot of lies being given to dental students and applicants about the shortage of dentists, etc, and they're mostly lies. there is no shortage of dentists in the majority of the country. most major (and even mid sized cities) are already saturated with dentists. the more rural areas may have a need for dentists; but the truth is that foregin trained dentists usually dont want to move there since foreigners usually like to stay in bigger cities. add to the fact that dental schools are opening up everywhere and there are more and more dental graduates every year; and no there is no shortage of dentists.

 

[happyk9]

I see your point. It should not make a difference for a private school. However as an american citizen public schools always give preference to their own students. Some schools don't even allow students from other states. These same schools will bring in FTD's, essentially making it easier to get accepted as an FTD than an out of state american. Again if the roles were reversed, which someday they might be, I don't think other countries would be so kind.

This is such a hypocritical remark. In any US public university, you can see a lot of foreign students in any graduate school. They usually work in scientific research labs like slaves. Many of them are paid less than minimum wage. I am not bragging since I was one of them. Why don't you go and compete with them since you said that public university should only open to american students. I am sure you don't want to do that because there is no money in such fields so why bother?
Your posts have implied that all the "good" majors like density are entitled to american citizens. Don't you think this is a little bit arrogant? Make efforts and be humble then you will become a great dentist. All the best!

 

[Firm]

This is such a hypocritical remark. In any US public university, you can see a lot of foreign students in any graduate school. They usually work in scientific research labs like slaves. Many of them are paid less than minimum wage. I am not bragging since I was one of them. Why don't you go and compete with them since you said that public university should only open to american students. I am sure you don't want to do that because there is no money in such fields so why bother?
Your posts have implied that all the "good" majors like density are entitled to american citizens. Don't you think this is a little bit arrogant? Make efforts and be humble then you will become a great dentist. All the best!

You are talking about foreigners going to dental school which is completely different. I'm talking about foreign trained dentists (which could be americans). Like Omaralt said there isn't a shortage of dentist, there is a distribution issue.

 

[happyk9]

You are talking about foreigners going to dental school which is completely different. I'm talking about foreign trained dentists (which could be americans). Like Omaralt said there isn't a shortage of dentist, there is a distribution issue.

Seems like that you like to play word game. I will play along with you.

I don't see the scientific research about the numbers and distribution of dentists in the US. Could you tell us where is the evidence and how did you draw your conclusion? Ok, let's make assumption that it is distribution issue. My question is why do you blame FTD for this? If all the US dental schools cancel the international dentists program and accept more american citizens (4-year program), do you think this problem (issue) will be solved? Will you practice in a very poor neighborhood after you get graduate?

Xenophobic attitude shows your insecurity and lack of confidence. If you train yourself have more logic thinking, study hard and make some efforts, I am sure you will become a successful dentist and won't waste your precious time here.

 

[VenkatV]

 

[dwelee]

The best answer 😴

 

[Firm]

Seems like that you like to play word game. I will play along with you.

I don't see the scientific research about the numbers and distribution of dentists in the US. Could you tell us where is the evidence and how did you draw your conclusion? Ok, let's make assumption that it is distribution issue. My question is why do you blame FTD for this? If all the US dental schools cancel the international dentists program and accept more american citizens (4-year program), do you think this problem (issue) will be solved? Will you practice in a very poor neighborhood after you get graduate?

Xenophobic attitude shows your insecurity and lack of confidence. If you train yourself have more logic thinking, study hard and make some efforts, I am sure you will become a successful dentist and won't waste your precious time here.

I don't dislike foreigners, I'm not questioning foreigners going to dental school. I'm questioning bringing dentist into the states that have trained in other countries. We have enough dental schools to trained an adequate number of dentists to serve the population.
BTW, I am a successful dentist. Thanks for the pep talk though.

 

[benign50]

I don't dislike foreigners, I'm not questioning foreigners going to dental school. I'm questioning bringing dentist into the states that have trained in other countries. We have enough dental schools to trained an adequate number of dentists to serve the population.
BTW, I am a successful dentist. Thanks for the pep talk though.

man if you are a succesfull dentist (which i doubt), why you are lurking here and wasting time. Get a life 🙂