JHU Med Student kills intruder with SAMURAI SWORD?

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Hey, this reminds me of another JHU student who killed a guy with a samurai sword...



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akademix said:
Police: JHU Student Killed Intruder With Samurai Sword

Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Steve Fermier and Associated Press

City police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi described the incident to WBAL's


A Johns Hopkins University medical student armed with a samurai sword killed an intruder he discovered in his garage.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says campus police and an off-duty city officer responding to a call for a suspicious person heard screams to call police around 1:20 a.m. Tuesday in the 300 block of University Parkway.

Guglielmi says the student told the man he found inside his garage to leave and the man accosted him. That's when Guglielmi says the student defended himself, cutting off the man's hand and causing a severe laceration to his upper body.

He says the man died on the scene, but police are not yet releasing his name.

Police are interviewing the student and others and are talking to prosecutors about whether to file charges

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THIS is the craziest thing I've read in a while...

-Akademix Esq.
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I imagine he died on scene
those things can cut through steel pipes

let's hope he wasn't naked when he did it :scared:
 
akademix said:
weird, i dont know why my article says medical student =/

regardless, thats ridiculous and really unsettling
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This came up with the Yale student too
I think news reports just like reporting things like this as medical students??
I don't know, maybe it makes for more "interesting news" in their eyes.

That or the age of double-checking (or even single-checking) your facts has come to an end in the news business 🙁
 
advice for next year:
don't list swordplay in your ECs...doubt JHU is looking for another samurai
 
doxycycline said:
Baltimore is a scary place my friend got robbed at gunpoint around the corner from his house.
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What is the world coming to when you can't even rob someone without wondering if that person has a samurai sword he can use.

This is a sad day for America...:cry:
 
I'm glad the student is safe. He had every right to protect himself.
 
guess they're really not kidding when they say JHU is cut-throat
 
Wow... nice one, bleargh.

Maybe when he applied to JHU he thought his swordsmanship would give him an edge?

Did he go to Hopkins to get ahead?

/rimshot

In all honesty, if you broke into someone's house (most people most likely wouldn't, but let's say you do), and someone confronts you with a samurai sword and tells you to leave... do you A) leave B) attack.

I'm going to go with A.
 
The dude who did this lives literally right down the street from me. I've met him before and he's a pretty easy-going guy.

I couldn't figure out why all those cop cars were buzzing around my street the other night. It all makes so much sense now...
 
cweave16 said:
The dude who did this lives literally right down the street from me. I've met him before and he's a pretty easy-going guy.

I couldn't figure out why all those cop cars were buzzing around my street the other night. It all makes so much sense now...
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Easy-going, clean-cut guy, eh? I wonder how he's holding up during classes once the news breaks out that no one messes with him?

It must feel really weird to know that you killed someone, even in self-defense.
 
Wow, impressive performance by the Johns Hopkins student. So much for the stereotype of JH students as nerdish gunners. Apparently, the burglar has 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering. Damn, the criminals are going to give Johns Hopkins a wide berth if this guy is your typical JH student.

The student has been taken into custody while the police try to determine if he committed a crime by cutting off the hand of the burglar and killing him. The city of Baltimore should give him the Key to the City.

Of course, if this kid were a real samurai, he would have beheaded the intruder. So he showed admirable restraint.
 
What a badass.

29 prior convictions. And lunging at a guy wielding a samurai sword, not exactly the smartest robber in the world.
 
searun said:
Wow, impressive performance by the Johns Hopkins student. So much for the stereotype of JH students as nerdish gunners. Apparently, the burglar has 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering. Damn, the criminals are going to give Johns Hopkins a wide berth if this guy is your typical JH student.

The student has been taken into custody while the police try to determine if he committed a crime by cutting off the hand of the burglar and killing him. The city of Baltimore should give him the Key to the City.

Of course, if this kid were a real samurai, he would have beheaded the intruder. So he showed admirable restraint.
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It fits the stereotype. Not only would a nerdish gunner possess a sword, he would actually know how to use it!
 
It's s crazy story, but I hope the student doesn't have to carry this with him because even if it is justified, I feel like it will be tough for him.
 
cweave16 said:
the dude who did this lives literally right down the street from me. I've met him before and he's a pretty easy-going guy.

I couldn't figure out why all those cop cars were buzzing around my street the other night. It all makes so much sense now...
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wtf
 
I believe Sepukku is in order - how was the intruder allowed to enter the garage in the first place?!
 
Do you know whats appalling to me? That there is even the mention, the consideration, or the very THOUGHT of pressing charges against this kid for defending himself in his own home................Liberals 👎

He did the tax payers of Maryland a favor...
 
ANF1986 said:
Do you know whats appalling to me? That there is even the mention, the consideration, or the very THOUGHT of pressing charges against this kid for defending himself in his own home................Liberals 👎

He did the tax payers of Maryland a favor...
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Who said anything about Liberals? For all you know the intruder had mental problems after being sent to Iraq and was not aware of his actions.

Right now all we have to go on is the student's word. Sure, if the man attacked him he had every right to defend himself. But, there are very specific laws, depending on the state, in which one can do so. The criminal had no weapon, and WE do really not know the circumstances.

What really gets me is how this stuff makes such a splash yet over 15,000 people die from guns alone in the U.S each year. But there are no discussions about that on SDN...

EDIT: I should say 15,000 are murdered with guns, with suicide it is over 30,000.
 
chman said:
Who said anything about Liberals? For all you know the intruder had mental problems after being sent to Iraq and was not aware of his actions.

Right now all we have to go on is the student's word. Sure, if the man attacked him he had every right to defend himself. But, there are very specific laws, depending on the state, in which one can do so. The criminal had no weapon, and WE do really not know the circumstances.

What really gets me is how this stuff makes such a splash yet over 15,000 people die from guns alone in the U.S each year. But there are no discussions about that on SDN...
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Concealed carry is illegal in Baltimore, though. Swords, on the other hand, aren't.
 
Compass said:
Concealed carry is illegal in Baltimore, though. Swords, on the other hand, aren't.
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Not in your house. But it is illegal to carry around a sword in public, concealed that is.
 
chman said:
Who said anything about Liberals? For all you know the intruder had mental problems after being sent to Iraq and was not aware of his actions.

Right now all we have to go on is the student's word. Sure, if the man attacked him he had every right to defend himself. But, there are very specific laws, depending on the state, in which one can do so. The criminal had no weapon, and WE do really not know the circumstances.

What really gets me is how this stuff makes such a splash yet over 15,000 people die from guns alone in the U.S each year. But there are no discussions about that on SDN...

EDIT: I should say 15,000 are murdered with guns, with suicide it is over 30,000.
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Liberals, referring to the city government of Baltimore...

What really gets me, is that the FBI estimates that guns save between 1.5-2million lives per year in self-defense, yet the media will go out of it's way to demonize law abiding citizens when they exercise their unalienable right to defend themselves against violent criminals.

And it doesn't matter if the criminal had a weapon or not. The only thing that the innocent student in this case needs to prove is that he legitimately feared for his life, period. Which is pretty easy to convince 12 people of when a person with 29 prior convictions is in your home uninvited in the middle of the night and lunges towards you. In states with the "castle doctrine" the mere act of breaking into someones house is enough to warrant deadly force without any provocation or additional threat on the part of the criminal, and I think that's a damn good law.

This kid deserves a medal, not an investigation and public smearing.
 
ANF1986 said:
Liberals, referring to the city government of Baltimore...

What really gets me, is that the FBI estimates that guns save between 1.5-2million lives per year in self-defense, yet the media will go out of it's way to demonize law abiding citizens when they exercise their unalienable right to defend themselves against violent criminals.

And it doesn't matter if the criminal had a weapon or not. The only thing that the innocent student in this case needs to prove is that he legitimately feared for his life, period. Which is pretty easy to convince 12 people of when a person with 29 prior convictions is in your home uninvited in the middle of the night and lunges towards you. In states with the "castle doctrine" the mere act of breaking into someones house is enough to warrant deadly force without any provocation or additional threat on the part of the criminal, and I think that's a damn good law.

This kid deserves a medal, not an investigation and public smearing.
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First, I would love to see a source for that first factoid (I know you said FBI, but I have never seen it so web site would be good). Next, personal views aside, there are laws about using deadly force on someone, even if they break into your house. For instance, in many states it is illegal to shoot someone if they are attempting to leave your house. In a lot of states the person has to be directly threatening your life. Like I said, if the story is how it looks then the student had the right to defend himself, but I was not there and neither were you. To assume that the criminal had 29 convictions is a little much.
 
ANF1986 said:
Liberals, referring to the city government of Baltimore...

What really gets me, is that the FBI estimates that guns save between 1.5-2million lives per year in self-defense, yet the media will go out of it's way to demonize law abiding citizens when they exercise their unalienable right to defend themselves against violent criminals.

And it doesn't matter if the criminal had a weapon or not. The only thing that the innocent student in this case needs to prove is that he legitimately feared for his life, period. Which is pretty easy to convince 12 people of when a person with 29 prior convictions is in your home uninvited in the middle of the night and lunges towards you. In states with the "castle doctrine" the mere act of breaking into someones house is enough to warrant deadly force without any provocation or additional threat on the part of the criminal, and I think that's a damn good law.

This kid deserves a medal, not an investigation and public smearing.
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Public smearing, certainly not. Investigation, absolutely. Any time there is a violent act committed we should figure out under what circumstances it occurred. That doesn't mean there are negative assumptions or suspicions being made about the student, just that we want to know the truth. Are we just going to take him at his word and dismiss the case because it happened in his home? I don't think so, that'd be incredibly irresponsible.
 
chman said:
First, I would love to see a source for that first factoid (I know you said FBI, but I have never seen it so web site would be good). Next, personal views aside, there are laws about using deadly force on someone, even if they break into your house. For instance, in many states it is illegal to shoot someone if they are attempting to leave your house. In a lot of states the person has to be directly threatening your life. Like I said, if the story is how it looks then the student had the right to defend himself, but I was not there and neither were you. To assume that the criminal had 29 convictions is a little much.
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but a department source identified the man as Donald D. Rice, 49, of the 600 block of E. 27th St. in Baltimore. Guglielmi said the suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, and had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center after he was arrested by county police in August 2008 for stealing a car in Baltimore.
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FBI stats coming right up...In the meantime here are some stats with sources on gun crime.. http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=...ve+lives+2+million+times+per+year&hl=en&gl=us
 
That's a lot of convictions, my bad. I think that is more a testament to the failed actions of our judicial system and our mental health system.
 
chman said:
First, I would love to see a source for that first factoid (I know you said FBI, but I have never seen it so web site would be good). Next, personal views aside, there are laws about using deadly force on someone, even if they break into your house. For instance, in many states it is illegal to shoot someone if they are attempting to leave your house. In a lot of states the person has to be directly threatening your life. Like I said, if the story is how it looks then the student had the right to defend himself, but I was not there and neither were you. To assume that the criminal had 29 convictions is a little much.
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If someone broke into my home, and I even remotely felt threatened (which the act of breaking and entering would indicate a threat to my personal safety) do you really think Im going to think about the laws my state has in this instance? Hell NO, Im exercising my human right (even if the law says otherwise, which most do not) of self preservation and defending myself. This student had every right to do what he did. The criminal entered his house and the student defended himself.
 
Sauce1 said:
If someone broke into my home, and I even remotely felt threatened (which the act of breaking and entering would indicate a threat to my personal safety) do you really think Im going to think about the laws my state has in this instance? Hell NO, Im exercising my human right (even if the law says otherwise, which most do not) of self preservation and defending myself. This student had every right to do what he did. The criminal entered his house and the student defended himself.
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you can act however you wish. it doesn't change the fact that the law is not necessarily on your side.
 
So here's what Maryland state law says about this:

Defense of Habitation - Deadly Force (MPJI-Cr 5:02)

Defense of one's home is a defense, and the defendant must be found not guilty if all of the following three factors are present:

  • 1) The defendant actually believed that (victim) was committing <was just about to commit> the crime of (crime) in <at> the defendant's home.
  • 2) The defendant's belief was reasonable.
  • 3) The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the conduct of (victim).
Seeing as how the other person had a knife, I'm guessing he met step 3. The only reason he might be in trouble is because he cut off the hand FIRST and then killed him. They might argue that the hand was enough to stop the criminal and no further action was required. I hope he doesn't face any charges though, it's probably enough that he just killed a dude.

Moral of the story is: katana first, ask questions later.
 
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LuciusVorenus said:
So here's what Maryland state law says about this:

Defense of Habitation - Deadly Force (MPJI-Cr 5:02)

Defense of one's home is a defense, and the defendant must be found not guilty if all of the following three factors are present:

  • 1) The defendant actually believed that (victim) was committing <was just about to commit> the crime of (crime) in <at> the defendant's home.
  • 2) The defendant's belief was reasonable.
  • 3) The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the conduct of (victim).
Seeing as how the other person had a knife, I'm guessing he met step 3. The only reason he might be in trouble is because he cut off the hand FIRST and then killed him. They might argue that the hand was enough to stop the criminal and no further action was required. I hope he doesn't face any charges though, it's probably enough that he just killed a dude.

Moral of the story is: katana first, ask questions later.
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The suspect did not have a knife or any other weapons, just to play devil's advocate.
 
chman said:
The suspect did not have a knife or any other weapons, just to play devil's advocate.
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Oh no...then he might have some problems
however as for my earlier post

"The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene. Based on the initial investigation, the student killed the man with only one strike of the sword, according to Guglielmi. The medical examiner will make the final determination, he said."

If he DID kill him in one strike and the police DO think he posed a serious threat, then he's probably fine.

But then again, it means he hacked at his dead body :/
gruesome
 
LuciusVorenus said:
Oh no...then he might have some problems
however as for my earlier post

"The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene. Based on the initial investigation, the student killed the man with only one strike of the sword, according to Guglielmi. The medical examiner will make the final determination, he said."

If he DID kill him in one strike and the police DO think he posed a serious threat, then he's probably fine.

But then again, it means he hacked at his dead body :/
gruesome
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It should also help that the suspect got hit in the hand, this might indicate he had his arm out in an attacking position.
 
ANF1986 said:
Do you know whats appalling to me? That there is even the mention, the consideration, or the very THOUGHT of pressing charges against this kid for defending himself in his own home................Liberals 👎

He did the tax payers of Maryland a favor...
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The intruder was a conservative. Didn't you know? They discovered his "I hate black people, immigrants, poor people - and Ron Paul" card in his back pocket.
 
chman said:
It should also help that the suspect got hit in the hand, this might indicate he had his arm out in an attacking position.
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As long as the guy didn't have friends who'll come looking for revenge :/
 
LuciusVorenus said:
As long as the guy didn't have friends who'll come looking for revenge :/
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Then again, now that i think about it, the suspect could have put his arm up in defense. So who knows.

^ The revenge thing is very possible. Baltimore can be a very rough town.
 
This is pretty cool. Props to the student for defending himself.
 
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