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Is this for real?


It says $395,000-$435,000 for a purely outpatient gig. Is this how much psychiatrists can make these days?

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Is this for real?


It says $395,000-$435,000 for a purely outpatient gig. Is this how much psychiatrists can make these days?

Sure, but that is a grueling, high volume gig that is based on performance. That isn’t a salary job.
 
Lol sure if you want to work in the Lifestance meat factory. There are plenty of threads about salaries on this forum if you want to go look at those.

I actually interviewed with Lifestance for an outpatient position in the midwest a couple years ago and saw what the production model looked like after year 1. To get anywhere near that salary, you'd have be seeing 18+ patients a day consistently 5 days a week which is a blistering amount of patients in psychiatry. Technically any purely production based job has "unlimited" earnings if you're willing to work unlimited hours.
 
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I don't know much about Lifestance but suspect, as above, that you have to grind out a lot of volume for that amount.

If you contact them please update us here! For starters I would be interested in:
-clinical hours per week to hit that range factoring in a typical no-show rate
-how the pay works, for instance a cut of billing, pay by RVUs, something else?
-how call and vacation coverage work

Pay without hours / what targets must be hit for that pay is almost meaningless.
 
Yeah, they also jack up salaries for some of the psychologist jobs around here. It's high volume, and I suspect that they will start hemorrhaging money within 1-2 years and have to cut a lot of people loose, and/or lower salaries.
Yep they probably just want to sell to another larger place before that happens
 
Yeah, their rate of expansion, specifically in buying failing clinics in this area, is suspicious. I'd be very curious to see the balance sheets for years 1-3.

Oh I mean it's a publicly traded company now so most if it is all out there in the open. They've never turned a profit so far and stock is down 50% over the past year.

 
Oh I mean it's a publicly traded company now so most if it is all out there in the open. They've never turned a profit so far and stock is down 50% over the past year.

Aren't most stocks terrible over the past year?
 
I don't know much about Lifestance but suspect, as above, that you have to grind out a lot of volume for that amount.

If you contact them please update us here! For starters I would be interested in:
-clinical hours per week to hit that range factoring in a typical no-show rate
-how the pay works, for instance a cut of billing, pay by RVUs, something else?
-how call and vacation coverage work

Pay without hours / what targets must be hit for that pay is almost meaningless.
You can email them. They put an email in the ad.
 
Lol sure if you want to work in the Lifestance meat factory. There are plenty of threads about salaries on this forum if you want to go look at those.

I actually interviewed with Lifestance for an outpatient position in the midwest a couple years ago and saw what the production model looked like after year 1. To get anywhere near that salary, you'd have be seeing 18+ patients a day consistently 5 days a week which is a blistering amount of patients in psychiatry. Technically any purely production based job has "unlimited" earnings if you're willing to work unlimited hours.
then lets say that a major event happens like a natural disaster, which happened to my area. Patients arent able to see you for a week and you ended up taking a big hit that week.

or you get a day with a lot of no shows. Its why I hate the production model because you have good days/bad days, but ultimately you still work each day. Guarantees are always nice in life, so having a salary is great
 
Aren't most stocks terrible over the past year?

It’s not that simple. During the pandemic, the fed created a ton of tax breaks for reinvestment, private equity, and a change in the requirements for how liquid investment firms have to be. This meant that it was smarter to reinvest revenue, as opposed to reporting the revenue as profits. It’s why you’re seeing a bunch of buy outs, and why major companies are reporting record sales with stagnant stock prices.
 
There are several psychiatrists around me that work for a larger non-profit multispecialty group that pull in 700k+. They generate well north of 10,000 RVUs a year to do this of course. So yes if you are willing to chop shop your way through psychiatry that range is easily attainable.
 
I make good money. I don't like to state how much but it's within the job ad's range. Now all that said I do work hard but I allow for 30 minute sessions. So while I work a lot these are comfortably paced and I usually have enough time to spend on most patients. I also have the professional and emotional peace of mind to believe I'm doing a good job and giving enough time (most of time).

I could of course make more money if I cut-corners. I don't want to do this. E.g. 10-15 minutes per patient.

Aren't most stocks terrible over the past year?
The stock market crashes on average every 10 years +/- 5 years. Jim Cramer wrote this in one of his books. A good investor understands the cycles. Of course you can't know with good precision when the next crash will be. After the 2008 crash I of course knew another was going to happen, and of course I didn't know the exact moment. You need to invest wisely. Don't put all eggs in one basket, made hedge investments, don't have all of it in stocks.

I could tell by about 2017-2019 we were in a largess where it was doing too well, but I of course did not know when it was going to crash. Being able to narrow it down to a 2 year period is not enough precision to make quick money. It was enough for me, however, to know to diversify. I told my financial advisor to put money in real estate REITs, and I started putting more into high interest savings so I could have cash-on-hand to pump in after the market crashes.

So for example the last year was a great time to invest in I-bonds. My real estate REIT went up 25%/year in the last 2 years. My energy stocks didn't crash-they did the opposite. Most of my portfolio, however, is down more than it is up because about 70% of my investments are in stocks, but I know enough to know within the next several months the market will recover and then some so I'm going to have to be patient for now.

I'm speculating if I should sell my energy stocks cause I can see the cycle potentially turning in the next 1-2 years. IMHO the biggest factor will be when the war in Ukraine ends. Once this happens I foresee a huge major stock market boom. Of course when will this happen? That's the problem. I don't see the war ending overnight. Putin's health is a big factor but what we're told about his health might not be accurate. He could hold on a few months, he could hold on a few years.

On the flipside a bad investor doesn't see the cycles. E.g. he sees the market booming so he buys at the top right before it crashes. So you don't put your money into a company just cause it's doing well. You put your money into a company cause it's doing well, it's financials show it's a strong stable company, and there's strong room for growth.
 
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Is this for real?


It says $395,000-$435,000 for a purely outpatient gig. Is this how much psychiatrists can make these days?
You can make $795,000-$4,000,000+ if you want! How much do you want to work? And how much of your soul do you want to keep? 🙂
 
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