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[PMR TX MS]

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Hey,

I am a resident and was exploring the job market for general physiatrists. The responses I've received from many job posting websites is that it's a really tough market and not many jobs available. Also, I know many of my friends who are residents have had a tough time finding jobs, particularly major cities (at least in TX). Any thoughts or hopfully more optimistic words?

Thanks!

 

[jsaul]

Hey,

I am a resident and was exploring the job market for general physiatrists. The responses I've received from many job posting websites is that it's a really tough market and not many jobs available. Also, I know many of my friends who are residents have had a tough time finding jobs, particularly major cities (at least in TX). Any thoughts or hopfully more optimistic words?

Thanks!

i am suprised to hear that. The market is wide open for generalists. I graduated residency a couple of years ago and know from my experiences and from my friends. There are alot of good high paying jobs for generalists out there. Keep looking. Many in the southeast and midwest. as far texas-- houston is tough but I know of jobs in dallas and san antone

 

[Disciple]

Hey,

I am a resident and was exploring the job market for general physiatrists. The responses I've received from many job posting websites is that it's a really tough market and not many jobs available. Also, I know many of my friends who are residents have had a tough time finding jobs, particularly major cities (at least in TX). Any thoughts or hopfully more optimistic words?

Thanks!

I think the demand for Physiatrists who are good at inpt and outpt (FPs of the Physiatry world?) are decreasing.

This is purely anecdotal, but from what I've seen recently, most employers want either an interventional pain doc, a musculoskeletal Physiatrist (EMGs and some injections), an "inpt machine" (admits, rounds and call at multiple hospitals/SNFs) or an academician (MSK, TBI, SCI, Peds, general inpt, etc.).

 

[PMR TX MS]

What is the market for general physiatrists wanting an academic position? What is the "normal" academic pay for a generalist? What is the pay for private practice? I know there are online averages, but most people I've talked to think these are fairly inaccurate.

Thanks!

 

[paz5559]

What is the market for general physiatrists wanting an academic position? What is the "normal" academic pay for a generalist? What is the pay for private practice? I know there are online averages, but most people I've talked to think these are fairly inaccurate.

Thanks!

Why dont you tell us what you have been told, and what you believe to be inaccurate?

 

[PMR TX MS]

Why dont you tell us what you have been told, and what you believe to be inaccurate?

Pretty much just that--the averages on the websites do not accurately reflect actual salaries. Also, the averages do not differentiate between academic vs. private practice.

I realize questions like this are met with skepticism because many people assume that anyone who asks this type of question cares only about money. I am asking out of curiosity not because money is the first priority.

Thanks for your help!

 

[drusso]

Pretty much just that--the averages on the websites do not accurately reflect actual salaries. Also, the averages do not differentiate between academic vs. private practice.

I realize questions like this are met with skepticism because many people assume that anyone who asks this type of question cares only about money. I am asking out of curiosity not because money is the first priority.

Thanks for your help!

Are the people telling you this trying to hire you??

You need to get a hold of the most recent MGMA data and say, "This is the salary data that is collected nationally on a standardized basis. Can I see your data and sources so we can compare??" If they meet national benchmarks, then it is not worth your time at all! Look at the 2004 data I attached in the Physiatrist's Salary Thread

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=84961

 

[Louisville04]

Are the people telling you this trying to hire you??

You need to get a hold of the most recent MGMA data and say, "This is the salary data that is collected nationally on a standardized basis. Can I see your data and sources so we can compare??" If they meet national benchmarks, then it is not worth your time at all! Look at the 2004 data I attached in the Physiatrist's Salary Thread

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=84961

This link has the 2005 AMGA Physician Compensation. Not sure if it is the same as MGMA data 😕

http://www.cejkasearch.com/compensation/amga_physician_compensation_survey.htm

 

[M. Platini]

Does anyone have any input as to the demand and likely pay range for a musculoskeletal emphasizing physiatrist, as mentioned here?

I think the demand for Physiatrists who are good at inpt and outpt (FPs of the Physiatry world?) are decreasing.

This is purely anecdotal, but from what I've seen recently, most employers want either an interventional pain doc, a musculoskeletal Physiatrist (EMGs and some injections), an "inpt machine" (admits, rounds and call at multiple hospitals/SNFs) or an academician (MSK, TBI, SCI, Peds, general inpt, etc.).

 

[myrandom2003]

well i am guessing if you dont want to go into private practice, then salary is what ur looking for.. but ia m assuming that if u go the private practice route, u can make as much or as little as want depending on how much u are willing to work and ur business savvy...

 

[PMR TX MS]

To go back to the original question, which was more about demand rather than salary....

The file that Dr. Russo provides states averages for different areas, et al. However, the reason for the original question is because I put my name on a a few sites that sends job offers for physicians of different specialties. The only offers I receive are from very remote places (such as MT). I've received none from any major cities (such as the top 10) nor even mid-tier cities (such as Austin, St. Louis). Also, before jumping to the conclusion about my qualifications, the site has no info on me except that I am a PMR resident.

Also, the question is about the demand for academic physiatrists, not just private practice physiatrists.

 

[axm397]

To go back to the original question, which was more about demand rather than salary....

The file that Dr. Russo provides states averages for different areas, et al. However, the reason for the original question is because I put my name on a a few sites that sends job offers for physicians of different specialties. The only offers I receive are from very remote places (such as MT). I've received none from any major cities (such as the top 10) nor even mid-tier cities (such as Austin, St. Louis). Also, before jumping to the conclusion about my qualifications, the site has no info on me except that I am a PMR resident.

Also, the question is about the demand for academic physiatrists, not just private practice physiatrists.

I think part of the problem is the way you are looking for jobs - most jobs in physiatry are word-of-mouth. Many of the better jobs never advertise. I know at my program we have lots of faxes that come through from our PD for jobs all over the country in many desirable areas (NYC, chicago, NJ, Houston, Cleveland, etc). there are private and academic job offers. there are even offers for fellowships. Many of the recent graduates got jobs through fellow alums and connections through attendings. I think those websites may work for bigger specialties but PM&R is a bit different. Also, have you looked at the job fair at the AAPMR meetings??

 

[jsaul]

I think part of the problem is the way you are looking for jobs - most jobs in physiatry are word-of-mouth. Many of the better jobs never advertise. I know at my program we have lots of faxes that come through from our PD for jobs all over the country in many desirable areas (NYC, chicago, NJ, Houston, Cleveland, etc). there are private and academic job offers. there are even offers for fellowships. Many of the recent graduates got jobs through fellow alums and connections through attendings. I think those websites may work for bigger specialties but PM&R is a bit different. Also, have you looked at the job fair at the AAPMR meetings??

also those websites try to get you to taker the more undesirble jobs in terms of locations.. the small town jobs you find on the web sites--\\


the big city jobs you find thru word of mouth, aapmr meeting, your program director, and some of the legit recruiting firms