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Hi,
After finishing a residency program in Anesthesiology, Is there a hard time getting a job as a DO or is about the same for both? i havent seen any post on this, so any info. would be great.

PS- this is just a question, its not to get anyone HEATED :hardy:. thanks
 
Hi,
After finishing a residency program in Anesthesiology, Is there a hard time getting a job as a DO or is about the same for both? i havent seen any post on this, so any info. would be great.

PS- this is just a question, its not to get anyone HEATED :hardy:. thanks

About the same. I have heard from my friends that are DO's that they have encountered some groups that consider only MD's, but that they were few and far between.
 
good to hear that.


There is an anesthesia group in Dallas that claims to be all Ivy League trained and refuses to take anyone who is not Ivy League trained. I doubt they would offer a job to a DO, but would you want to work with them? Their many be an occasional group who does not hire DOs, but I think where you did your residency, the quality of your recommendations, your experience and your work history are far more important. An Ivy league or other top rated med school on you résumé will open some doors but being chief resident or having completed the right fellowship probably counts more than where you went to med school when it comes to getting a job.
 
i'm a member of the backwoods/kudzu league. Does that count for much?
 
There is an anesthesia group in Dallas that claim to be all Ivy League trained and refuses to take anyone who is not Ivy League trained. I doubt they would offer a job to a DO, but would you want to work with them? Their many be an occasional group who does not hire DOs, but I think where you did your residency, the quality of your recommendations, your experience and your work history are for more important. An Ivy league or other top rated med school on you résumé will open some doors but being chief resident or having completed the right fellowship probably counts more than where you went to med school when it comes to getting a job.

i wouldnt even work for a group who excluded osteopaths and i am an allopath
 
There is an anesthesia group in Dallas that claim to be all Ivy League trained and refuses to take anyone who is not Ivy League trained. I doubt they would offer a job to a DO, but would you want to work with them? Their many be an occasional group who does not hire DOs, but I think where you did your residency, the quality of your recommendations, your experience and your work history are for more important. An Ivy league or other top rated med school on you résumé will open some doors but being chief resident or having completed the right fellowship probably counts more than where you went to med school when it comes to getting a job.

Which group is that? I know most of the groups here and haven't heard of an all Ivy leage group.
 
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Not sure really.

Ask UT. He was one.🙂

Snitch. I plead the fifth.

Here is a thread from way back yonder on the subject:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=180747

Here was one of my posts on that thread:

Chief resident:

Job description: Leader, innovator, scheduler, full time pinch hitter, administrative assistant, human juggling act, counselor, mother/father, brother/sister, bastard/bitc*, and enforcer.

Benefits: Nice ribbon on your resume. Jobs come looking for you. Almost automatic interview when they know you are chief. Automatic fellowship placement if you go that route. Faculty appointment if you so desire.

Detractors: Time, TIME, T I M E. You spend at least 2-3 hours each day answering pages and e-mails, putting out small fires, hunting down wayward residents, sitting on important but numerous committee meetings, planning schedules two months in advance, planning out the yearly schedule at the beginning of the year which you will then change at least three dozen times due to maternity/paternity leave, poor resident performance, family tragedies, personality conflicts, etc. Someone doesn't show up for any reason then you are there to take their place. Educational planning meetings, residency review committees, multispecialty chief residents' conferences, residents' meetings, etc. are all part of your year. You spend more time being chief than reading for the most part and if you are married with kids, you aren't going to be a very good spouse/parent for that year.

Many of you have asked me how and why I respond so quickly to questions and the answer is easy: I am always on the computer checking e-mail and charting out schedules for multiple clinical sites at nine different hospitals.

The job hunt becomes a lot easier, however, and I had people contacting me as well as myself initiating contact. California, Arizona, Washington state, Oregon, and Texas were my acceptable destinations and I interviewed at more than a dozen sites including some who had previously published that they were not hiring this year. One friend of mine is still not talking to me after she found out I interviewed and was offered by a group that she had been trying to get into since before she started residency. Some groups even stated flatly to me that they only hire chief residents for their groups (a little pompous and shortsighted in my opinion, but whatever floats your boat).

So does it help? Definitely. Should you campaign to get the position? Hell no. Every resident should work with the diligence and enthusiasm that would make them candidates for the position, but what will separate you from the pack is your willingness to go the extra mile and help your fellow residents and program whenever there is a need and even when there isn't a need. Recognition comes through merit and service, not backstabbing, politicking, or machinations. I have seen a couple of people in other residencies do the latter and claim the position but all that does is create a chief resident without the ability or backing of the residents to lead.

I always wanted to help and do extra work because I loved the extra opportunities to gain experience and even just watch other people in action to learn their secrets. You can also separate yourself from the pack by being lazy, showing up late, not being prepared, and having a me first/the world is against me attitude. YOU CANNOT JUST TURN OFF LAZINESS AND SUDDENLY BECOME AN ACHIEVER. You slack off early in your residency and not only does it become hard to deviate from your wayward path, but it is also hard to shake off the label of lazy/stupid/dangerous resident.

For our institution, the residents and faculty each vote and the top two vote getters become chief, although the chairman holds veto power if he feels a candidate isn't academically well positioned to handle the spot or for any reason he feels a person should be disqualified from holding the position.

Would I do it again?


Yes I would. It's been the most taxing year of my life trying to be a full time spouse, father, chief, clinical resident, and job seeker, but if this experience coupled with an already deep educational residency hasn't prepared me for what lies ahead, I don't know what else could.
 
UT thanks for all the info. you provide me. Quick dumb question in Gas 4 or 5 Years?😕
 
What about osteopaths with "soul glow" liberally applied to his, or her, fro?

i love soul glow.. i used to have a bottle. hard to get nowadays.. got to mail order it.
 
how do you become a chief resident??

Different institutions chose chief residents in different ways. UTSouthwestern describes the ideal, way but where I was a resident the chief was chosen by who did the best on their in training exam at the end of their CA1 year. This unfortunately did not always produce the best candidate. My CA3 year the chief resident rigged the call schedule so him and his buddies could get all the weekends off to moon light.
 
Different institutions chose chief residents in different ways. UTSouthwestern describes the ideal, way but where I was a resident the chief was chosen by who did the best on their in training exam at the end of their CA2 year. This unfortunately did not always produce the best candidate. My CA3 year the chief resident rigged the call schedule so him and his buddies could get all the weekends off to moon light.

Still curious about the all Ivy league group you mentioned. If you don't want to publicly identify them, could you PM me? I am really curious to know who they are and if I know them.

Sucks that you got stuck with a greedy chief. In my year, I moonlighted once, and that was to cover the guy that was supposed to be moonlighting but got drunk and didn't show up for that coverage. Did more free work than anyone aside from my co-chief.
 
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