Job Outlooks in Florida (Specifically South Florida)

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Hey There!

Little about me first:

I'm currently a Pharmacist (PharmD, BCGP) in the Philadelphia area. Currently I work for a large PBM in the prior authorization department. I've been there for a bit over a year and I don't mind my work (I like the desk gig) and I like who I work with. Prior to that I worked 8 months as a consultant pharmacist servicing LTCF and SNF and I did some work on the side with dispensing for a LTC pharmacy which were both meh for me. My first gig was as a retail pharmacist for 2 years and it's not for me.

With that being said, I'm trying to break into Pharma as that seems like a reasonable progression for my career if I end up leaving the payer side. I applied to fellowships after graduating making it pretty far, but ultimately didn't get one.

I am looking into moving down to South Florida to be closer to my significant other's family and looks like a sure thing by 2018 or 2019.

Did some research and became privy to the fact that Florida only reciprocates the NAPLEX if it's been 3 years since you took it...took mine in 2012...BOOOOO!!!

My question is basically this; What are the opportunities for pharmacists in Florida (Miami county and surrounding specifically) that don't work in the traditional roles? Are there a lot of PBM jobs down there? I see there are a fair amount of biotech companies, but I don't know much about any of them via http://biopharmguy.com/links/state-fl-all-geo.php

Much thanks in advance!
 
I lived in South Florida for three years and keep a job alert for the region so I may be able to provide some insight. I've seen MSL jobs pop up fairly frequently, so those options exist. Unfortunately, the job market down there is generally pretty weak. I waited three years for an informatics job and never saw one, which lead to my departure to further my career. You really just have to get lucky. I would say just grab a hospital job and sit tight until what you want appears, but even the hospital jobs are scarce. Memorial and Broward are the big players in Broward county, pretty close to Miami. Jackson and UM seem to be the best down in Miami-Dade.

It's a great place to live, so if you have the chance I would take the first decent job I could find. You'll just have to wait it out for that perfect fit, but it's worth it in my opinion. You'll have the time of your life living there. I mean, come on, there are wild parrots and iguanas everywhere. It's like you're in a different country.

If you get a job you better hook me up.
 
Nope, stay away from South Florida. I am recent graduate and have not been able to land a job around here. I speak three languages, one of those being Spanish, which is big down here. You said retail is not your thing, then down here is not your thing either. There are far and between any other type of services that pharmacists provide here. Hospitals get a TON of requests and prioritize people with residences. Plus, the big hospitals where you crank all that knowledge out, the working conditions are not that great...Also, the majority of people down here are just plain rude. Need thicker skin....Before you make the move, you can apply to jobs and see it for yourself.
 
I hear central fl is easy to break in retail
 
I heard that too, I have applied mad for those areas, but so far is not confirmed. Let's see what happens.

If you are a new grad it is quite late, ask old professor and friends/classmate for help. Surely you know someone who can throw you a lead?
 
Hey There!

Little about me first:

I'm currently a Pharmacist (PharmD, BCGP) in the Philadelphia area. Currently I work for a large PBM in the prior authorization department. I've been there for a bit over a year and I don't mind my work (I like the desk gig) and I like who I work with. Prior to that I worked 8 months as a consultant pharmacist servicing LTCF and SNF and I did some work on the side with dispensing for a LTC pharmacy which were both meh for me. My first gig was as a retail pharmacist for 2 years and it's not for me.

With that being said, I'm trying to break into Pharma as that seems like a reasonable progression for my career if I end up leaving the payer side. I applied to fellowships after graduating making it pretty far, but ultimately didn't get one.

I am looking into moving down to South Florida to be closer to my significant other's family and looks like a sure thing by 2018 or 2019.

Did some research and became privy to the fact that Florida only reciprocates the NAPLEX if it's been 3 years since you took it...took mine in 2012...BOOOOO!!!

My question is basically this; What are the opportunities for pharmacists in Florida (Miami county and surrounding specifically) that don't work in the traditional roles? Are there a lot of PBM jobs down there? I see there are a fair amount of biotech companies, but I don't know much about any of them via http://biopharmguy.com/links/state-fl-all-geo.php

Much thanks in advance!


The cost of living in in S. Florida is way too high compared to the salary.
If you want to live in a nice area with people that have manners , expect to pay around around 1 million US dollars for a 3/1 from the 70s on a tiny piece of land.
Pharmacists don't make enough compared to how expensive everything is and the jobs favor those who speak good Spanish. In other words , if you can't speak Spanish , a retail or hospital setting will be hard for you to get. If you are an URM or know someone you might have a chance to get one of those jobs.

Crime is also extremely high in S. Florida. Not as high as Detriot but it is much higher than average and most people can't drive so you wouldn't want to drive a brand new nice car even if you can afford one.


In the city of Doral there are quite a few biotech jobs.
The area is not too bad since mostly rich Hispanics live there so you may want to look into jobs in that area.

Also , if you ever decide to live in the S. Florida , you should know the differences in culture. A Cuban and a Venezuelan are completely different. Just because they both speak Spanish doesn't mean that they are the same.
 
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The cost of living in in S. Florida is way too high compared to the salary.
If you want to live in a nice area with people that have manners , expect to pay around around 1 million US dollars for a 3/1 from the 70s on a tiny piece of land.
Pharmacists don't make enough compared to how expensive everything is and the jobs favor those who speak good Spanish. In other words , if you can't speak Spanish , a retail or hospital setting will be hard for you to get. If you are an URM or know someone you might have a chance to get one of those jobs.

Crime is also extremely high in S. Florida. Not as high as Detriot but it is much higher than average and most people can't drive so you wouldn't want to drive a brand new nice car even if you can afford one.


In the city of Doral there are quite a few biotech jobs.
The area is not too bad since mostly rich Hispanics live there so you may want to look into jobs in that area.

Also , if you ever decide to live in the S. Florida , you should know the differences in culture. A Cuban and a Venezuelan are completely different. Just because they both speak Spanish doesn't mean that they are the same.

True, crime is going up and up in South Florida. Miami gardens in particular is hot, right now.
 
The cost of living in in S. Florida is way too high compared to the salary.
If you want to live in a nice area with people that have manners , expect to pay around around 1 million US dollars for a 3/1 from the 70s on a tiny piece of land.
Pharmacists don't make enough compared to how expensive everything is and the jobs favor those who speak good Spanish. In other words , if you can't speak Spanish , a retail or hospital setting will be hard for you to get. If you are an URM or know someone you might have a chance to get one of those jobs.

Crime is also extremely high in S. Florida. Not as high as Detriot but it is much higher than average and most people can't drive so you wouldn't want to drive a brand new nice car even if you can afford one.


In the city of Doral there are quite a few biotech jobs.
The area is not too bad since mostly rich Hispanics live there so you may want to look into jobs in that area.

Also , if you ever decide to live in the S. Florida , you should know the differences in culture. A Cuban and a Venezuelan are completely different. Just because they both speak Spanish doesn't mean that they are the same.
Wow. I live in Palm Beach County and it seems to be totally different to the picture you paint of Miami. Got my 4/2.5 newly constructed house in a gated community, good schools, low crime for $355k. There are so many Bentleys and Rolls Royces on the roads that no one even notices a Benz. Yeah lots of people speak Spanish but it hasn't affected my employment. Actually I love trying out all the different ethnic foods... mmm Brazilian steakhouse 🙂
 
Wow. I live in Palm Beach County and it seems to be totally different to the picture you paint of Miami. Got my 4/2.5 newly constructed house in a gated community, good schools, low crime for $355k. There are so many Bentleys and Rolls Royces on the roads that no one even notices a Benz. Yeah lots of people speak Spanish but it hasn't affected my employment. Actually I love trying out all the different ethnic foods... mmm Brazilian steakhouse 🙂

Palm Beach is pretty different from Miami-Dade. There are plenty of affordable, new homes built out west. You can get a nice condo in downtown WPB for a reasonable price too. Honestly, Broward isn't too bad either. There are bad neighborhoods and less safe cities for sure, but Miami is a different beast entirely.
 
Palm Beach is pretty different from Miami-Dade. There are plenty of affordable, new homes built out west. You can get a nice condo in downtown WPB for a reasonable price too. Honestly, Broward isn't too bad either. There are bad neighborhoods and less safe cities for sure, but Miami is a different beast entirely.

Here's a link to one of the most ridiculous crimes I've heard about in the Miami area in the last few weeks:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/25/miami-teen-charged-in-two-armed-rapes/
I thought the age of the criminal was a mistake but it's not.



The places that have a lot of junior high or/and high school drop outs or worse are going to be very dangerous.

Also, if you look up Miami Gardens , there have been multiple reported shootings in the past week.

If you look up an expensive area in Miami that has quite a few college educated people , crime there is pretty low. The only problem is that regular college educated people (even pharmacists) can't generally afford to live there.
 
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Here's a link to one of the most ridiculous crimes I've heard about in the Miami area in the last few weeks:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/25/miami-teen-charged-in-two-armed-rapes/
I thought the age of the criminal was a mistake but it's not.



The places that have a lot of junior high or/and high school drop outs or worse are going to be very dangerous.

Also, if you look up Miami Gardens , there have been multiple reported shootings in the past week.

If you look up an expensive area in Miami that has quite a few college educated people , crime there is pretty low. The only problem is that regular college educated people (even pharmacists) can't generally afford to live there.

I have to defend my city (even though I'm no longer there) but Miami Gardens =/= rest of Miami. There are good areas and bad area of every major city.

Brickell, Aventura, Sunny Isles, are affordable for North/Central Miami. With the luxury market crashing, Brickell should be much more affordable again. Kendall and Doral are nice affordable areas for Miami South.

A lot of people commute from the suburbs of Broward; Pembroke Pines, Davie, and Plantation are about a 30 minute drive to Miami downtown.
 
does anyone work at Jackson Memorial? I am thinking of applying there after PGY1
 
does anyone work at Jackson Memorial? I am thinking of applying there after PGY1
I don't work there but I did a couple of "hardcore" rotations there, so I followed/shadowed the clinical pharmacists pretty much everywhere...If you are into seeing the most crazy cases, unknown conditions with unknown treatments, and hardcore clinical oriented people that like to read TONS and TONS of guidelines. This is your place. All the crazy stuff that happens in Miami (and many times from other countries) and can't be fixed anywhere else, they send it to Jackson...I only have LOTS and I mean L O T S of respect for the people working at Jackson, they are truly experts and unique individuals, pharmacists here are awesome individuals...However, it is also the hospital where people without insurance, homeless, etc, end up going. Most of the shooting patients end up there. ER is crazy and is not the sort of "clean" ER that might be portrayed in TV. I did rotation at Cleveland clinic in Weston, and it is day and night difference. Also, the pharmacy where the clinical pharmacists are located is in the basement of the hospital, and you have to walk through a labyrinth of tunnels (kind of like the New York subway vibe) and you walk around the place down there with the janitors and other workers. None of the nurses/physicians/medical professionals walk these basement routes...I always felt so bad for the residents there because the workload they had was unbelievable. Patients, presentations, rounds, projects, meetings...Brutal.

Of all the rotations I did in the area hospitals, the ugliest is Jackson, the rudest people are in Jackson, the ugliest area surrounding the hospital is in Jackson...
But the most clinical oriented-crazy cases, the most academically demanding, the longest and most challenging rounds, etc. Jackson. Period.
 
Is it a prerequisite for any retail pharmacist position in Miami that fluency in spanish is required? What does the job market look like along the Keys? Is Homestead pretty saturated? I am primarily considering Florida for employment post graduation, specifically retail.
 
Is it a prerequisite for any retail pharmacist position in Miami that fluency in spanish is required? What does the job market look like along the Keys? Is Homestead pretty saturated? I am primarily considering Florida for employment post graduation, specifically retail.
I don't think is a requirement but I don't think you will get a position in retail if you do not speak Spanish. Yes, you can rely on your technicians that are usually bilingual to help you translate. But the manager knows for sure that this is bad business having the "captain" in the pharmacy not been able to speak with the "customers" in their language, especially when they can drive a couple of blocks and find a pharmacist that does. Also, there are areas where English is the only language. But again, it is going to get harder to get those because those pharmacist that do not speak Spanish will hold tight to those positions.
Actually is pretty cool right here, as Hispanics will call the pharmacist Doctor. "Puedo hablar con el Doctor?", "Donde esta el Doctor?", "Yo hable con el Doctor ayer y me dijo this and that", "Doctor esta medicina para que sirve?"...So, yeah tough position in retail. Hospital, not that much but still.

I have applied to the keys retail and have not received any answers yet in over a month. Homestead also applied and have not heard anything yet. Indeed those areas seem to be less saturated...Tough market.
 
For those seeking hospital jobs in South Florida, take a look at Memorial Healthcare in Broward county. They seem to have a healthy amount of openings most of the time and I have it on good authority that they will hire a new graduate with no residency for evening shifts.

I don't think is a requirement but I don't think you will get a position in retail if you do not speak Spanish. Yes, you can rely on your technicians that are usually bilingual to help you translate. But the manager knows for sure that this is bad business having the "captain" in the pharmacy not been able to speak with the "customers" in their language, especially when they can drive a couple of blocks and find a pharmacist that does. Also, there are areas where English is the only language. But again, it is going to get harder to get those because those pharmacist that do not speak Spanish will hold tight to those positions.
Actually is pretty cool right here, as Hispanics will call the pharmacist Doctor. "Puedo hablar con el Doctor?", "Donde esta el Doctor?", "Yo hable con el Doctor ayer y me dijo this and that", "Doctor esta medicina para que sirve?"...So, yeah tough position in retail. Hospital, not that much but still.

I have applied to the keys retail and have not received any answers yet in over a month. Homestead also applied and have not heard anything yet. Indeed those areas seem to be less saturated...Tough market.

Spanish language skills are highly desirable for certain, but less necessary in retail if you are willing to move or drive to Broward or Palm Beach (would not recommend driving all the way to WPB from down South for an extended period of time. I had that commute on 95 for about a year and a half and it nearly killed me). As far as I know, no hospitals require you to speak Spanish, and many of them have an "official" language of Spanish. I remember a certain mass-email sent out reminding staff it was inappropriate to call colleagues mami/papi at work, or to switch languages to exclude others. Still, if you're going to be in the area it makes sense to learn a bit of the common language. Maybe consider a medical Spanish class at a local college just to learn the basics. I moved to the area from out of state but with a little bit of college Spanish and practiced with my colleagues for fun. I definitely wasn't ready for retail prime-time, but I found the skill to be helpful in more than one occasion at work and in my private life.

While we are on the subject of languages, it may be beneficial to learn a bit of French Creole as well. It's the most common language behind Spanish and English due to the large Haitian population in the area. I never obtained conversational status in this area, but I did have fun learning bits and pieces and joking around with some of my staff. I had two years of French in high school and remember just a tiny bit, but it was enough to play around.

All this said, I found that most people knew enough English that I could navigate almost any situation. Well, at least they knew enough English and I knew enough of their language that we could figure things out. Never stop practicing and try to have fun! The blend of cultures (along with the tropical climate, wild parrots flying around, and giant iguanas hanging out) is what makes this such a magical part of the country. One of the places in the USA that truly feels like a foreign country.
 
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For those seeking hospital jobs in South Florida, take a look at Memorial Healthcare in Broward county. They seem to have a healthy amount of openings most of the time and I have it on good authority that they will hire a new graduate with no residency for evening shifts.



Spanish language skills are highly desirable for certain, but less necessary in retail if you are willing to move or drive to Broward or Palm Beach (would not recommend driving all the way to WPB from down South for an extended period of time. I had that commute on 95 for about a year and a half and it nearly killed me). As far as I know, no hospitals require you to speak Spanish, and many of them have an "official" language of Spanish. I remember a certain mass-email sent out reminding staff it was inappropriate to call colleagues mami/papi at work, or to switch languages to exclude others. Still, if you're going to be in the area it makes sense to learn a bit of the common language. Maybe consider a medical Spanish class at a local college just to learn the basics. I moved to the area from out of state but with a little bit of college Spanish and practiced with my colleagues for fun. I definitely wasn't ready for retail prime-time, but I found the skill to be helpful in more than one occasion at work and in my private life.

While we are on the subject of languages, it may be beneficial to learn a bit of French Creole as well. It's the most common language behind Spanish and English due to the large Haitian population in the area. I never obtained conversational status in this area, but I did have fun learning bits and pieces and joking around with some of my staff. I had two years of French in high school and remember just a tiny bit, but it was enough to play around.

All this said, I found that most people knew enough English that I could navigate almost any situation. Well, at least they knew enough English and I knew enough of their language that we could figure things out. Never stop practicing and try to have fun! The blend of cultures (along with the tropical climate, wild parrots flying around, and giant iguanas hanging out) is what makes this such a magical part of the country. One of the places in the USA that truly feels like a foreign country.
Living in SoFl has been a dream of mine for such a long time, hopefully there are still jobs when I graduate! Is the job market in Palm Beach and Broward good then? I know there is a pharm school in Palm Beach...
 
Living in SoFl has been a dream of mine for such a long time, hopefully there are still jobs when I graduate! Is the job market in Palm Beach and Broward good then? I know there is a pharm school in Palm Beach...
Far fewer hospital jobs in Palm Beach than further south, but I can't speak on the retail market.
 
I commute from Palm Beach to Broward county for one of my jobs. 40 miles and it takes about 45 mins on the Turnpike, which is actually a very relaxing drive because there isn't much traffic and it's very smooth and straight. I-95 on the other hand is a hot mess.
 
I commute from Palm Beach to Broward county for one of my jobs. 40 miles and it takes about 45 mins on the Turnpike, which is actually a very relaxing drive because there isn't much traffic and it's very smooth and straight. I-95 on the other hand is a hot mess.

I was pretty much forced to drive on 95. Lived in CityPlace, so it would have been a 20 minute drive to even get to the turnpike from my apartment. 95 isn't so bad if you're working evenings and can miss rush hour, but trying to drive on it between 7 and 9 is like Mad Max.
 
Living in SoFl has been a dream of mine for such a long time, hopefully there are still jobs when I graduate! Is the job market in Palm Beach and Broward good then? I know there is a pharm school in Palm Beach...
Well, right now, it is not good for retailers. I keep applying madly everywhere in FL and I am like a hawk everyday scanning all jobs postings, emails, etc. I have seen a few openings for Clinical positions. The problem is that most of the jobs require PHARMACIST experience. It seems like in their eyes, pharmacy technician/intern experience does not translate to pharmacist experience at all. So how do you get experience if you do not have the opportunity, employer said "keep trying" :punch::rage:...Some posts have things like "one year of residence equals one year of experience"...I believe the only way to get a job down here is to know someone. Typical, just the same as when you try to get in the VIP in South Beach.

I mean, go and check it out for yourself. It is free to get your account for sites like wags, cvs, publix, etc...See the postings for yourself...At least publix sends you an email telling you that there are other candidates better than you for the position. The others, you wonder, when?
 
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Well, right now, it is not good for retailers. I keep applying madly everywhere in FL and I am like a hawk everyday scanning all jobs postings, emails, etc. I have seen a few openings for Clinical positions. The problem is that most of the jobs require PHARMACIST experience. It seems like in their eyes, pharmacy technician/intern experience does not translate to pharmacist experience at all. So how do you get experience if you do not have the opportunity, employer said "keep trying" :punch::rage:...Some posts have things like "one year of residence equals one year of experience"...I believe the only way to get a job down here is to know someone. Typical, just the same as when you try to get in the VIP in South Beach.

I mean, go and check it out for yourself. It is free to get your account for sites like wags, cvs, publix, etc...See the postings for yourself...At least publix sends you an email telling you that there are other candidates better than you for the position. The others, you wonder, when?

I mean...Check this one out, they just posted it. You be the judge
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Premium-...ager-Pharmacist-6dcf95b4da7f53ce?q=pharmacist
 
Tough. Very tough. I worked for an agency for one year doing prn gig until I found a position at an independent pharmacy. Further you move south more crucial your Spanish skill becomes. Further you move south more dangerous it gets. .....but I don`t think any other place is particularly easier for us pharmacists now a day.
 
Wow. I live in Palm Beach County and it seems to be totally different to the picture you paint of Miami. Got my 4/2.5 newly constructed house in a gated community, good schools, low crime for $355k. There are so many Bentleys and Rolls Royces on the roads that no one even notices a Benz. Yeah lots of people speak Spanish but it hasn't affected my employment. Actually I love trying out all the different ethnic foods... mmm Brazilian steakhouse 🙂
aren't you scared about sea level rise? nearly the entire state of florida could be underwater in 50 years
 
aren't you scared about sea level rise? nearly the entire state of florida could be underwater in 50 years
Nah I live inland. Plenty of people on the oceanfront with $100 mil homes including Trump's Mar-A-Lago Club who have the means and the money to do something about it before their houses go underwater.
 
South FL (excluding Miami) is the place to live. Miami is there for the professionals (e.g. upper middle class and wealthy individuals) to have fun when they aren't working... Housing in Broward and Palm Beach County is affordable on a pharmacist income...
 
Tough. Very tough. I worked for an agency for one year doing prn gig until I found a position at an independent pharmacy. Further you move south more crucial your Spanish skill becomes. Further you move south more dangerous it gets. .....but I don`t think any other place is particularly easier for us pharmacists now a day.

wow I didn't know many members here are from around my area. I am working in an independent in Broward county for seven years now. I don't know, I think Broward is an ok place to live on a pharmacist's salary. The things I don't like is the occasional hurricane and the not-so-occasional mean people. Also the area was and probably is still the oxycodone capital of the nation so lot of diversion to watch out for.

I don't speak Spanish but I agree Spanish and Creole are probably one of the most important factors for you to land a job in retail here. The area in my opinion is very saturated, maybe because of pharmacy schools popping up left and right in the state. There are six pharmacy schools i think, of which three are in South Florida. Too many in a small area don't you think?
 
wow I didn't know many members here are from around my area. I am working in an independent in Broward county for seven years now. I don't know, I think Broward is an ok place to live on a pharmacist's salary. The things I don't like is the occasional hurricane and the not-so-occasional mean people. Also the area was and probably is still the oxycodone capital of the nation so lot of diversion to watch out for.

I don't speak Spanish but I agree Spanish and Creole are probably one of the most important factors for you to land a job in retail here. The area in my opinion is very saturated, maybe because of pharmacy schools popping up left and right in the state. There are six pharmacy schools i think, of which three are in South Florida. Too many in a small area don't you think?

Be careful, you wouldn't want to upset those poor folks at Larkin.
 
Be careful, you wouldn't want to upset those poor folks at Larkin.

No disrespect to anybody.I just feel that it really thins out the job market to have three pharmacy schools about an hour drive from each other. I don't know if there is any place else that is like this.

Crowded as it is, I always wonder why it is so hard to find pharmacy-related meetings and events in the area. Just to make new connections. I cannot believe when you are out and working just how easy it is to find yourself living under a rock.
 
No disrespect to anybody.I just feel that it really thins out the job market to have three pharmacy schools about an hour drive from each other. I don't know if there is any place else that is like this.

Crowded as it is, I always wonder why it is so hard to find pharmacy-related meetings and events in the area. Just to make new connections. I cannot believe when you are out and working just how easy it is to find yourself living under a rock.
I was just kidding. A student from Larkin accused me of being racist (??) when I posted that there was no need for another school in the already saturated Miami metro area.

There was a whole thread on it. The argument was that Larkin was going to help pave the way for future pharmacy practice by promoting multidisciplinary healthcare and focusing clinical pharmacy. Basically the same song and dance every school has been doing for years, but acting like they thought of it.

It's also expensive and not accredited, last I checked. Those poor students just wouldn't listen to reason.
 
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I was just kidding. A student from Larkin accused me of being racist (??) when I posted that there was no need for another school in the already saturated Miami metro area.

There was a whole thread on it. The argument was that Larkin was going to help pave the way for future pharmacy practice by promoting multidisciplinary healthcare and focusing clinical pharmacy. Basically the same song and dance every school has been doing for years, but acting like they thought of it.

It's also expensive and not accredited, last I checked. Those poor students just wouldn't listen to reason.
I agree, Nova already has a campus in Fort Lauderdale and one in Palm Beach and then there is PBA in Palm Beach, opening Larkin was completely unnecessary especially when the job market is pretty much saturated in Florida. There really needs to be some regulation with the amount of schools. There are now 142 schools of pharmacy in the nation! Compare this to Canada who only has like 6 in the country.
 
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