Jochabed, how's life?

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How are you doing? I hope your delivery went well. How is the little one? And how do you juggle it all?

Inquiring minds want to know? Seriously, since this may be an issue I face in the next couple of years.
 
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Congratulations on your son!

I really enjoyed reading your post. You can tell how excited you are with motherhood and school just by reading it! 🙂 I've been married for 1.5 years and don't have an acceptance in hand yet, but would like to start a family sooner rather than later. I'm only 26, but would like to start (maybe?) near the end of vet school. Thanks for posting how it is going for you. It makes me feel a bit better that all of this is possible! 😍
 
Oh, gosh, you haven't bored me at all! I love hearing about it. I just posted in another thread that I may be making the decision on having a child while in school because of our age. I am glad to hear the birth went well; I really want to do homebirth when I do have kids. I am not fond of hospitals or time limits or monitors.

I hope you don't mind if I ask more prying questions! Could you share what your class schedule is like (just how many hours a day) and do you feel like you get enough time to bond with Elihu? Do you feel like you are missing out on crucial stuff at school or home? Is there anything you feel like you can't do now, either mentally, emotionally or physically?

Would you have done it differently? Any major challenges you are finding now?

By the way, I just want to say that I really admire you! To handle this suprise with such positivity amazes me, and to see someone embrace the challenges is impressive. Thank you so much for sharing!
 
I also just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your post.

I am 27 and will (hopefully) be starting veterinary school next fall...or the fall after. Since I won't be graduating vet school until I'm 31 (at the earliest), my fiance and I have discussed when the best time to start our family is, and of course it seems like it would be within the next 4 years.

It is nice to hear that other people are able to have a child while in the midst of school, I truly admire your ability to handle it all!

Its just comforting to know that it can be done.
I know at some schools it is more common at others. I asked a student from Cornell once whether there were any students who were pregnant in her class and she looked at me like I was insane.
So it really is nice to hear that it can be done.
 
Sumstorm -

I have a friend that I worked with some last year in Raleigh who got pregnant during that time, which also happened to be during her 4th year at NC State. (That sentence is really poorly written, but I think you can figure out what I'm trying to say!) She managed - I think radiology was a tough rotation 😉 and she didn't get to do as much hands on stuff as she would've liked, but she made it through and graduated on time. I'm not sure when she was due - I think late during 4th year, or over the summer? I only saw her a few times during the school year last year since she was in rotations and didn't have as much time to work, so I'm not really sure of all the details.

Let me know if you want her name and I'll PM it to you, if you want to get in touch w/ her and ask her about being pregnant during rotations at NCSU.
 
Sum, thanks for inquiring about this, and Jochebed, thanks for responding!

This is also something my hubby and I have been worrying about, even though i'm not accepted yet. It's good to know that it is possible to continue with school during pregnancy (given an easy-ish one, of course). I've been very afraid that they would force a years deferment on me, or some such craziness, because of issues with doing surgery and radiology while pregnant.

Good luck with your little man. 😀
 
Seriously, every one needs one of these things (a baby). At some point, when you are ready (or in our case we weren't but we got ready), at least one. It's great. It's difficult, but it's great.

No thanks! I'll leave them to those of you who think this way. 😉

I'm glad everything went and is going well for you, Jochebed, even if we've had our disagreements in the past.
 
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Recently I went back and reread this thread:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=584242

In hindsight, some of my initial responses seem harsher maybe than I would write now...but looking at the dates I know why. I knew I was pregnant at the time I wrote those (only 9 weeks or so). 😛

Thank you so much for the response Jochebed!

I had forgotten about that thread. I think I abandoned it or ignored large parts of it, just like I have several others that turn that way. At 20 something, I never even wanted to get married again, let alone have kids. Never cared if others did or didn't, or how. Maybe growing up working poor, seeing field pickers never take more than 1 day off set me up to believe it is possible. I think that is also what started my interest in home birth.

I hope the next semester goes very well for you and your family.
 
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Now if your baby is completely on solids or on formula (and you're ok with leaving baby) or you can take him/her with you or have someone watch them, that may not be a problem for you (or anyone else), it's just one more thing to think about. 🙂

Oddly, I think I have a solution for that. My whole family lives 12 hours away; I bet I could talk someone into an 'extended vacation' to watch a baby. And I may be hitting you up for your midwife's contacts! thanks so much!
 
Wow Jochebed that was probably the most "interesting" thread I was never involved in.. Very good way to spend an hour laughing. Just think if I had been a member back then! :meanie:

Nyanko, I think I am falling for you. 😍:laugh: Just don't tell FlyHi.
 
You know, I've been trying to think who would win in a brawl, and I just don't know if I'd put my money on FlyHi or Nyanko. I've never been this stuck about such an important decision before!
 
Homebirth's the way to go.....The moment he was born my midwife put him up onto my belly and we lay there on the bed with him like that for almost 2 hours. No immediate clamping/cutting of the cord.

Just so you know, you don't have to have a home birth to have it be drug-free, IV-free, and monitor free. For both of my children (quite a while ago now, and born in different parts of the country) after speaking with my doctor, I had no monitors or IVs or drugs, was not restricted to staying put in bed, and of course they were put on my belly immediately after birth and not whisked away to be clamped and have eye drops put in.

I think home birth with a qualified midwife is great (my grandmother was a midwife), but it's certainly possible to have much of that freedom nowadays with a regular hospital.
 
You know, I've been trying to think who would win in a brawl, and I just don't know if I'd put my money on FlyHi or Nyanko. I've never been this stuck about such an important decision before!

Oh, she would for sure. She'd crack me across the face with her hockey stick, knocking out my two front teeth (then, we'd look the same :laugh:), step on the back of my head while i'm down and give me another swift shot with the stick in the liver.
 
It's true. The last thing flyhi would see before losing consciousness would be a flash of pink hair and the business end of a hockey stick.

That said, I highly doubt Nyan would consider CR anything worth beating up flyhi for. 😛
 
I have two random and tangentially-relevant things to say to this thread:

TT: As usual, your new avatar has brought a huge smile to my face. Thank you. 😀

Joch: How did you choose your son's name? I'm curious because my husband's name is Elihu as well, and he's the only one I've ever met with that name. (I love it - he hates it. Go figure.) 😉
 
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Job is my husband's 2nd favorite book of the Bible and Elihu is a character from the book of Job, chapter 32. Elihu is not mentioned as one of Job's 3 friends, but by his testimony he was there the entire time, politely listening to the others' arguments because he was younger and deferred to their seniority. When their arguments fall short though he speaks up and boldly, but humbly, defends God's righteousness. At the end of Job, he is the only one that God does not criticize or commanded to bring an offering. My husband and I also suspect that Elihu was the writer of the book of Job because he speaks in the first person.

We both stumbled on the name independently and really liked it. We also liked that it was not a common name. The only person we have ever come across with the name "Elihu" was a preacher in our area from back in the late 1800s. 🙂


Yep, that's the one my husband is named after as well. I might be a little biased, but I think it's a great choice 😉

Best of luck to you, I really admire your strength!
 
I know that it's possible to have an unmedicated, low intervention birth in the hospital...but it's far from the norm these days. .....natural births are a fairly unnatural occurrence there.

And I'm telling you that if you choose to, you can have it. Many young women today are not choosing it - they insist on epidurals and as much pain med as a doctor will give them, and I know quite a few who choose C-sections. They want to schedule the birth day, for whatever reason. So you have to take that into consideration when you say it's "far from the norm" - as though the women didn't want it. I'm telling you, from personal first-hand experience of myself and others, if you are healthy and low risk and discuss it ahead of time with your doctor, it will happen. Hospitals today are extremely accommodating of helping you to a drug-free, natural birth. All you have to do is tell them that's how you're doing it. Maybe in your particular city they are not, but that in no way negates the fact that in many, many, many places they are.

The C-section rate in the US is currently more than TWICE what the WHO recommends as safe and reasonable...and continuing to rise each year.

Back in the day, yes, way too many C-sections were performed for the doctors convenience, not the patient. Nowadays it amazes me how many young women are actually choosing C-sections themselves because of the control they want in knowing the exact birth day. Of the past 8 women who I know who have had children, 6 of them chose to schedule a C-section or an inducement, with the caveat that a C-section would be done if labor went on long. Reason? They simply "wanted to know" and their husbands knew exactly when they'd be off work (of course the baby could always come early, but they felt the planning helped, and none of the babies did come early), plus they bought the plane tickets for their mothers from other states, and the mothers could plan their time off from work...you get the idea. Not my thing, but that seems to be quite a popular way to have a baby these days. Again, can't blame the hospitals for that.
 
And I'm telling you that if you choose to, you can have it. Many young women today are not choosing it - they insist on epidurals and as much pain med as a doctor will give them, and I know quite a few who choose C-sections. They want to schedule the birth day, for whatever reason. So you have to take that into consideration when you say it's "far from the norm" - as though the women didn't want it. I'm telling you, from personal first-hand experience of myself and others, if you are healthy and low risk and discuss it ahead of time with your doctor, it will happen. Hospitals today are extremely accommodating of helping you to a drug-free, natural birth. All you have to do is tell them that's how you're doing it. Maybe in your particular city they are not, but that in no way negates the fact that in many, many, many places they are.

This might be true at the places you have experience at, but I know it isn't true everywhere. I have two close friends who I graduated HS with that are now Ob-gyns. In several hospitals that they have dealt with, there are dilation time tables. If you do not match the tables, you will have intervention whether you want it or not. As one of my friends says, it is easy to declare a woman in labor incompetent to make reasonable decisions. I am not saying there aren't amazing hospitals, but that there are just as many where a laboring woman's occupation of a staff and bed ($$$) are more of a concern than the type of birth she desires.

I think a woman should have the option to labor how they want, even if that is at home. Jochabed decided on what she wanted, and I hope you have the same options available; home birth is illegal in some states. I fear NC might be one of those.
 
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It's a picture of a sign that is posted in a hospital in Utah.

Utah? LOL, that doesn't surprise me in the least, but that's a whole 'nuther issue about the religious outlook and the attitude towards women in Utah. Nope, not goin' there (neither figuratively nor literally :laugh:)
 
I'll just throw out my opinion that if a woman has the choice about what sort of birth she wants, the hospitals should be able to choose what sort of birth they will supervise. If they believe something is too high risk/their doctors are not adequately trained to deal with it/whatever, I think they have a perfect right to put a sign like that on the door. Plus, do you really want a doctor in an uncomfortable situation to him supervising your childbirth? I'd want to find a hospital with practitioners who embrace the same things.
 
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your experience on this thread. What you described in the quote above is a beautiful phrasing of how I feel about labor and birth, and why I am finding myself drawn more and more toward midwifery. My pregnancy and the homebirth of my son last spring with a wonderful midwife have put my vet school aspirations on hold for the time being, but it's been a rewarding and educational year. I also appreciate the responses from others on these forums, compared to the likely response you would have gotten in the Ob/Gyn section (I have some personal experience there 😳).

As far as natural birth in a hospital--with the right planning and support, yes, it can be done; but from everything I have read and heard, in most places it requires some combination of a lot of careful planning, supportive staff, and real guts to stand up for yourself (no easy feat in labor). I think the crux of the problem is that you have to be proactive; in the face of a doctor who you have hired as an expert, if you are in labor and you are told that you have to progress on a schedule, or your labor has stalled, or your baby is too big, you have to have done the research in order to be able to evaluate what you are told, and once anyone says "your baby is in danger," your choices are effectively gone. Obviously this isn't true everywhere, but I am willing to bet that if every woman were really given informed consent on the risks of procedures such as epidurals and C-sections, they'd be a lot more hesitant to submit to them. It's important that those options be there, but it's important to understand their consequences too. Education is so important.

As far as pregnancy during vet school goes--this is something I've battled with for a long time, especially before I got pregnant. The question of having a baby before, during, or after school was one that I spent a lot of energy considering. During my tour at MN (my in-state school), I specifically asked about their students having children, and I got the impression that it is getting a lot more common for students to start or have families while in vet school. It makes perfect sense demographically--incoming classes have more and more young women in their 20s and 30s, when starting a family is often a consideration. The timing is a very personal decision, for those of us who want to have a family as well as a career. Having decided to have my son first, I can say that I am very grateful to have had so much time with him while he is young (he is currently seven months old), but that I can also see the benefit of starting (or finishing) school first.

Jochebed, I hope you continue to enjoy your baby (and yay breastfeeding--I love it too!). Your posts really resonate with me, and I wish you success in all your endeavors!
 
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I just wanted to chime in and thank Jochebed for sharing her experiences. It is so interesting and informative. I recently watched "The Business of Being Born," and it just.... absolutely blew my mind. I literally got to the end, and immediately watched the entire thing again from the beginning. It was a perspective that I had NEVER been presented with, but it really resonated with me. Birthing is always treated as a process that is so complicated and dangerous as to be out of a woman's realm of ability, so that she needs intensive medical intervention to do it. It had never occurred to me to question this, but now I do.

The only nagging question in the back of my mind while watching these home births was, "What if something goes wrong??" 😱 :scared:I know that if you are healthy and the baby is healthy and you have been deemed a low risk pregnancy, the chances are low... but... what if?? Did you worry about this? Did you have a back up plan? How do you feel about birthing centers?

I am glad to know you can balance a baby and vet school and still keep your sanity and happiness intact. I have been having very pervasive thoughts bandying about in my head about having a baby in vet school, seeing as how I will be 30 by the time I graduate. Even though I have a ready, willing, and supportive husband who is done with school and makes good money - almost everyone tells me it is a stupid and crazy idea. I feel so conflicted, and so your posts made me smile. 🙂
 
I am glad that this post was entered. I am going to be starting vet school at the age of 32 and my husband and I have desperately held off getting pregnant so that I could get into vet school. Now that I will be starting in the fall, I will be 36 before I graduate and am fearful of starting our family at that age. However, our problem would be much larger b/c I would in a sense be a single mom. My husband will be in NC for at least my first 2 years at LSU. My closest family is 2 hours away. He may be able to move to LA after my first 2 years, but the closest he could possibly get to LSU would be 1.5 hours. At that distance, I would still be doing a lot of child care myself. Do any of ya'll have "single parents" in school with you right now or any that will be having a child without the other parent around. I just don't know if I want to put that kind of stress on my family?
 
Based on this site, I'd be willing to bet it's legal there.
http://www.nchomebirth.com/

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LOL! Yeah, kind of. So, when I was absolutly conviced I wasn't going to get in (NCSU informs in states pretty late) my husbad and I started planning a family. We figured we woud expand our land base, gardens, etc and start meeting organic requirements and that along with dog training would be my business while we had our family. We contacted that site. None within 1.5 hours. They couldn't get doctor/hospital/insurance required by the state. Hopefully it is different near the vet school, and has changed where we/husband live (not far from Charlotte.) I did get to know several midwives working under the radar.
 
I am glad that this post was entered. I am going to be starting vet school at the age of 32 and my husband and I have desperately held off getting pregnant so that I could get into vet school. Now that I will be starting in the fall, I will be 36 before I graduate and am fearful of starting our family at that age. However, our problem would be much larger b/c I would in a sense be a single mom. My husband will be in NC for at least my first 2 years at LSU. My closest family is 2 hours away. He may be able to move to LA after my first 2 years, but the closest he could possibly get to LSU would be 1.5 hours. At that distance, I would still be doing a lot of child care myself. Do any of ya'll have "single parents" in school with you right now or any that will be having a child without the other parent around. I just don't know if I want to put that kind of stress on my family?

There are a couple of women at my school that are single moms, but it is VERY difficult for them to find enough time to study. They have elementary-school-aged children, so having a newborn may be worse or it may be better. That's a big reason why my partner & I have decided to wait for marriage and children until after I'm out (we live apart during the school year) ... even though I'll be 38 😱
 
There are a couple of women at my school that are single moms, but it is VERY difficult for them to find enough time to study. They have elementary-school-aged children, so having a newborn may be worse or it may be better. That's a big reason why my partner & I have decided to wait for marriage and children until after I'm out (we live apart during the school year) ... even though I'll be 38 😱

ShelterGirl, do you worry about the increases in fertility and health issues? I am only asing because it is one of the things that worries me. I may be more sensitive because my mother, her sisters, and her mother went through menopause early.

Without a spouse or other caregiver (family member, friend) I think it would be really hard especially before daycare or school age. One issue my husband and I are addressing is living apart right now.
 
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ShelterGirl, do you worry about the increases in fertility and health issues? I am only asing because it is one of the things that worries me. I may be more sensitive because my mother, her sisters, and her mother went through menopause early.

Without a spouse or other caregiver (family member, friend) I think it would be really hard especially before daycare or school age. One issue my husband and I are addressing is living apart right now.

Yes, I'm definitely worried that by the time we are in a position to have children that we won't be able to, or that we will have big problems in the process. However, we wouldn't be able to give a child the time and attention it deserves, so we're waiting. If we have to, we'll adopt and we're okay with that.

(I just realized that the above is the same rationale why we don't have a dog yet either :laugh:)
 
Yes, I'm definitely worried that by the time we are in a position to have children that we won't be able to, or that we will have big problems in the process. However, we wouldn't be able to give a child the time and attention it deserves, so we're waiting. If we have to, we'll adopt and we're okay with that.

(I just realized that the above is the same rationale why we don't have a dog yet either :laugh:)

LOL! Well, we have 6 dogs! By the time I am out of school and started in this career, my huband may be beyond the adoption limit of a lot of places. We are foster parents, but oddly, the restrictions for fostering aren't as strict as adoption. We are ok with adopting, as well, but I would like to have a child as well.
 
I too am worried about the age thing. I will be 36 by the time I get out of vet school and my husband and I would like to have 2-3 kids. That puts me having kids at 40 unless I am pregnant for 3 years straight. I guess I will just have to hope that all works out for a reason and that the timing will be good.
 
Too bad scientists haven't found a way to put our ovaries in stasis! It would take a lot of the time pressure off. Start classes again tomorrow, so back to the grind. Hopefully, this semester will be calmer. I am certainly more prepared and organized going in.
 
Too bad scientists haven't found a way to put our ovaries in stasis! It would take a lot of the time pressure off.

haha, how about just delaying implantation for a few years like the armadillos? how's that for an idea for those of you going into a DVM/PhD???

sigh... i'm only 24, so i know it sounds like i'm just whining big time, but my older sister who's 29 is having major fertility issues so that does give me a bit of anxiety. she's able to conceive, but her body doesn't support the baby and she's had a few spontaneous abortions... i know that's been very rough on her. she and her husband have been planning his postdoc years so that they would be around my parents when they have a baby... but it looks like that won't be happening. i'll be right around her age when i'm out of vet school...
 
haha, how about just delaying implantation for a few years like the armadillos? how's that for an idea for those of you going into a DVM/PhD???

sigh... i'm only 24, so i know it sounds like i'm just whining big time, but my older sister who's 29 is having major fertility issues so that does give me a bit of anxiety. she's able to conceive, but her body doesn't support the baby and she's had a few spontaneous abortions... i know that's been very rough on her. she and her husband have been planning his postdoc years so that they would be around my parents when they have a baby... but it looks like that won't be happening. i'll be right around her age when i'm out of vet school...

Just thought I would share a similar story. My cousin's wife was having a similar issue (has to take shots throuhout pregnancy.) After several miscarriages, they started adoption procedures during their last round of treatments failed. On the day an infant was 'available' to them, they found out they were pregnant with twins PAST the point where she was likely to miscarry. Then, when the twins neared 1 yr old, they ended up pregnant again (they didn't think it would happen naturaly.)
 
Bringing this thread back up from a few pages back because I've been so busy for the last two weeks that I didn't keep up with SDN! 😳

The only nagging question in the back of my mind while watching these home births was, "What if something goes wrong??" 😱 :scared:I know that if you are healthy and the baby is healthy and you have been deemed a low risk pregnancy, the chances are low... but... what if?? Did you worry about this? Did you have a back up plan? How do you feel about birthing centers?

I wanted to respond to your question, because I've been there. The question of "what if something goes wrong" was absolutely in the back of my mind when I was preparing for a home birth. The way that my midwife addressed this (in addition to her being trained to handle emergencies, carrying necessary medicines, etc.) was for us to have a written back-up plan, including which hospital we would go to in the event of an emergency, contact information for doctors, driving directions, and she recommended we call the first responders in our area ahead of time so they knew where our house was if we needed them. We live five minutes away from a major regional hospital; we also had plans for several other hospitals should we need to transfer. Remember that an emergency in a hospital cannot necessarily be addressed instantly either (surgical prep, for example); if we had needed to transfer, and had called ahead to the hospital, we would really not have lost much time assuming decent communication between the doctors and our midwife.

Also, many situations in giving birth happen slowly enough, with enough forewarning, that medical assistance can be sought. There are some emergencies in childbirth that can kill mother and baby very quickly... but being in the hospital does not guarantee survival in those situations either, and as some (obviously not all) hospital interventions can lead to life-threatening complications that otherwise may not have arisen, there really is no perfect answer to the safety in birth question.

I cannot count the number of birth stories I have heard that go "so then this happened, and thank goodness I/she was in the hospital!". Oftentimes I listen to the events that led up to the intervention/C-section, and I wonder silently if the situation would have turned into an emergency if fewer interventions had been imposed. (Induction is a big one; epidurals are also not risk-free.)

I spent so much time researching my local birth options and practices in the local hospital that by the time I gave birth, I was absolutely convinced that my baby and I were safer at home than in our particular local hospital, which tends to be intervention-happy. Iatrogenic problems are unfortunately common these days in birthing women who are attended by OBs, because they are typically trained to deal with pathology in birth, not with normal, uncomplicated birth. As a first-time mother with a large baby, I doubt I would have been able to push him out in a hospital setting where I was on a timetable and forced to be flat on my back in bed. I walked and danced my way through labor upright at home, and it was great. I cannot imagine how painful some of the contractions would have been if I had been confined to bed; I only laid down for a couple of them because they were so uncomfortable if I wasn't standing/seated.

I love the idea of birthing centers that are close to hospitals, or even affiliated with them, but in our area birthing centers are non-existent or located too far away to feasibly reach. I hope this changes in the near future, as I really do think that birthing centers staffed by midwives (even with a midwife-friendly OB on staff) are a happy medium for many women.

(That was supposed to be a short response... whoops! 😳 Cheers if you made it this far. 😀)

Too bad scientists haven't found a way to put our ovaries in stasis! It would take a lot of the time pressure off.

I agree wholeheartedly! Silly biological clock! It makes the whole career process for women rather inconvenient. 🙁
 
This is a wonderful thread, so glad to have found it! At 30, and starting vet school this year after three years applying, we are facing the same situation. I do not want to wait until I graduate, then jeopardize my education and potentially job finding success, but having a child right out of school. I know several students who have had children while at Western University, and wondered if any of them were out there reading this thread and could respond. Western U has a very different teaching style where it is not simply a matter of missing lectures and exams. This may make things easier, or harder and I would love to hear some input them. Or from any other program that has a predominantly PBL based curriculum!
 
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