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Hi guys, this topic is totally unrelated to vet med. Over the past couple of months, I've seen a lot of people posting about how exercise helps them keep their stress levels down. I've been wanting to start some kind of exercise regimen, but don't really enjoy going to the gym. I'd love to play a team sport, but my work schedule isn't consistent enough for scheduling. I'd like to maybe start jogging, but it's not something I've ever done before specifically.

This may be a really stupid question, but does anyone have any good tips for starting out?

Thanks!
 
Get a good pair of running shoes and start slow. Don't expect to run a mile the first time you start (unless you're otherwise active).

When I started, I was slim but slim doesn't equal fit. Couldn't run for very long and found myself walking more than running my first couple of times, which is cool. Like any other exercise it's a step-wise thing where you work up gradually. So alternating jogging/walking cycles would be the big thing.

But I'm not a hard core jogger, so someone might have better advice for you.

Oh and a jogging partner never hurts. Be that another person, a dog, or an iPod.
 
I agree with all of the above. I just thought I'd share my story since I've started training to run a marathon! Definitely start out slow and set small goals for yourself. If you try too hard in the beginning you'll most likely just get too discouraged and quit. I started out with a simple goal of one mile and it was really hard at first, but now I can run 2 miles and not even feel tired. It's a slow process, just don't give up on yourself.

Also, they say when you first start out you should run for time and not for mileage. So if you wanted you could set like a 15 min goal or even 10.

And having someone to run with makes a HUGE difference. If you don't have any friends willing you could look for a running club or something in you area.
 
The Runner's World Beginner's forum (http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/index.jsp) is another one that I frequent. The folks over there are very supportive, and can give you all the advice you could ever want.

But basically, HopefulAg & natalieises are steering you in the right direction. Find a specialty running store, where they will be able to evaluate your gait and get you in the right type of shoe, and then start out sloooow. It's helpful to follow a plan, like Couch to 5k (just google it), simply because beginners tend to overdo it otherwise and then end up injured. I speak from experience on that part 🙂
 
I use Jeff Galloway's Start Running book. It is the only method I have found that prevented me from having injuries (and I had tried several others.)

It is a pretty cheap book, and all you need is a watch. It uses a walk-run sequence. You start out walking 1-2 minutes and jogging/running for 10 second intervals. The first sequence is ~20minutes (5 minute WU, 8 minute Run-Walk, 5 min cool down.) You run-walk 3 days and walk 1-3 days. Over time (8 weeks) you build up to doing more running (several minutes at a time) and less walking (10 second walk breaks) for longer duration (45 minutes.)

It gives you a chart for each week of running. So you know exactly how much time and what ratio you are suppose to work out (there is a little flex, like 'run for 10-15 seconds') and after the first 2 weeks it divides you into goal categories (weight loss = slower but longer, racer = faster and longer, fitness = faster but shorter.)

After that he has a program called year around running, which works on improving ability.

I am a bit overweight, and I use a heart rate monitor. I burn 250-400 calories per running seesion, which is less than 40 minutes (right now, restarting after illness.)

I have a hard time getting myself to start...but once I am moving, it is amazing....I run outside, and it just makes me feel more alive and aware of the world (vs being hidden in the house all the time.)

Also, shoes are important...you can start in regular sneakers under the program I talked about, but within a couple of weeks, you will need better shoes. I have shoes now that are made for running without socks and they don't have shoestrings, but a pull. They are so comfortable...nearly feel barefoot.

When you do buy running shoes, go to a running specialty store if you can.... as a lot of injuries can be prevented by getting shoes that correct how your foot lands. Cost runs $40-100 (in my experience...some people spend more.)
 
Yay great thread!
For beginner joggers/speed walkers, my advice like the rest of the bunch, is to start slow. Once you get the right shoes AND socks (esp for runners, the right socks make a huge difference in comfort), may want to look into pedometer's to count your steps and/or distance jogged that way you can set small goals for yourself - 1/2mile one week then 1 mile the next week:
http://walking.about.com/cs/measure/bb/bybpedometer.htm

I just did a half in NYC a week ago and it was awesome; great weather and beautiful location - Central Park! It was a women's only event and the best thing was - you could opt to walk the whole thing. It might be worth checking out and start training for next year!
http://www.more.com/more-women/marathon/
I feel like if you sign up for an event like this, you're more motivated to train.

For all you runners, I've followed Hal Higdon's training schedule and seems to work out well: http://www.halhigdon.com/halfmarathon/index.htm

Oh and remember to drink ALOT of water during the day and bring some w/ you when you walk/jog. I have one of those running belts where I can carry fluids and feel hydrating often has made a huge difference in curbing fatigue during a long run.

:luck: Good Luck everyone!
 
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Running is a great sport. I just ran my first half-marathon yesterday! and it was awesome.

Basically like others have said, its never bad to walk. And alternating running/walking is a great way to build up a running base.

Good shoes are a must. A good running store will look at your old sneakers or shoes to see the wear pattern. They will watch how you walk without shoes on to let you know if you protinate and they'l let you go for a short run in the shoes you're interested in to see if they feel good for you..

Don't worry about how fast you are!!!! Too many people want to be fast...but being fast will come when you are able to build up to longer distances.

I think most people recommend starting out with a time goal as opposed to a distance goal...its really up to you but for me when I started I ran/walked for 20 min. and I gradually increased my running/decreased my walking until I could run continuously for 20 min. Then I worked up to 30 min. Then to an hour. etc.

Just slow and steady. Not too much too soon. and before you know it you'll be running all over the place!
 
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Good shoes are a must. A good running store will look at your old sneakers or shoes to see the wear pattern. They will watch how you walk without shoes on to let you know if you protinate and they'l let you go for a short run in the shoes you're interested in to see if they feel good for you..
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If you can go somewhere that actually watches you walk and run on a treadmill, it is worth it.

I over protonate walking, but don't running. Obviously, most of my shoes show signs of over protonation, but when I run, my body self corrects. It isn't a common problem, but apparently enough women do it that it isn't remarkabe. As a sports physiologist explained it to me, it has to do with the breadth of my hips and that when walking, each foot is on the ground when the other foot strikes the ground, while running puts space between each foot strike (they don't overlap) so it enables my hips/knees to free up and not protonate.

I would never have known this if it wasn't for an injury that put me into twice weekly PT for 4 months. So, if I walk (or hike) I compensate for over protonation, but if I am running, I wear neutral shoes.
 
GellaBella said:
Running is a great sport. I just ran my first half-marathon yesterday! and it was awesome.
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It wasn't the Broad Street run in Philly, was it? I couldn't run that one, but it went pass my apt, pretty awesome!
Although come to think of it, Broad street run is only 10K so prob not, heh.

Congrats on completing your first Half though!!! 👍
 
I am not a runner at all either but I recently started something I found online called the couch to 5k plan. I am not sure where you are starting at (completely out of shape or just want to start running while already being semi-fit) but check out the chart on this web page and start wherever you think you might be.

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

I just started week 2 today and so far it is going pretty well. There are some podcasts you can find on itunes by searching couch to 5k which are helpful. I don't particularly like the music on them but its a nice uptempo beat and it lets you know when to change speeds so you aren't looking at a watch all the time.
 
I have to agree about finding a good pair of shoes. I worked at a running specialty store for two years and have seen people pick the shoe off the wall that either sounds like it has the best features or looks best. The best way is to have a store employee fit you (and they usually don't know how at big five) by watching you run, preferably not on a treadmill since your stride will be different. Once they figure out what kind of support you need, then you start to take into account things like cushion, shape, and god forbid color.

Also when you first start running, only increase mileage/time by 10% each week. It doesn't seem like a lot but it is probably the easiest way to prevent injuries. O and STRETCH!

If you are looking into just completing a half or a full marathon, I know that Team in Training will train you to run one by giving you a program, but you do have to fund raise a pretty sizable amount of money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma society too.
 
Jeff Galloway is the best!! I would def. pick up one of his books on running. And like everyone else says... start out by power walking, add in some jogging... at first your knees might hurt because your tendons are loose but the more you power walk/jog the more your tendons will tighten up and you'll be running in no time. I started out power walking and it took just a few months for me to be able to run 5 miles with barely any walking. Now I run 5 miles several days a week.
 
I second the opinion that you need to get fitted by a professional at a running store, I always want the pretty shiny ones, and they always put me in the ugly correct ones 🙂

Also, I would say you need to give it a month before you give up. You are going to want to give up desperately the first few weeks because it suuuuuuucks. It will take a few weeks before you actually don't want to die. And this is coming from someone who has run multiple marathons.

PS: Once you get going, try to work in some hills. There aren't alot of flat places in Bburg or Cburg. You can run hill intervals every day!
 
I'm actually a huge fan of cycling on a bike (either stationary or real). I do interval training on a stationary bike, i.e. alternating segments of light and heavy resistance. You avoid the damage you might do to your body by pounding on the pavement, too. Although if you have the right shoes, you shouldn't have that problem...
 
fargeese said:
Also, I would say you need to give it a month before you give up. You are going to want to give up desperately the first few weeks because it suuuuuuucks. It will take a few weeks before you actually don't want to die. And this is coming from someone who has run multiple marathons.
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My issue was always lack of momentum.....the plans I followed NEVER made me want to give up, nor did I feel like it sucked. Every single time, once I am out and started, I am fine...it wsa always inertia! I think a lot of that is I start off very easy and build up. I don't want any pain (=excuse to not continue doing what is best for me.)
 
I picked up running when I got to college after playing soccer throughout high school, and now I really enjoy it. It relaxes and focuses me, and helps me feel like other parts of my body are getting exercise besides just my brain.

One of my biggest anxieties about going to vet school in a huge city is not being able to run outside alone due to safety issues. I don't mind a treadmill every now and then, but being outside is unbeatable, and I don't know what I'll do if I don't find some nice running/jogging trails! Which basically equates to: I WILL find some nice, safe running/jogging trails, for the sake of my sanity, and if they don't exist I might die. 😛
 
I don't run now, but when I did track in high school, the thing that always injured me was running on the sidewalk. We had to run a mile to the place where we practiced and then run the mile back, so it came to about 10 miles on the sidewalk a week (yay city school) and I always ended up with shin splints. So I would recommend trying to find a park or track to run on. The other thing is that if you run along the road during periods of heavy traffic, you are breathing in a ton of carbon monoxide and ozone. Since you're exercising, you inhale a lot more of it than you would if you were just walking. So if you have to run along the road, try to do it early, before rush hour, or later at night.
 
DocDVMD said:
I'm actually a huge fan of cycling on a bike (either stationary or real). I do interval training on a stationary bike, i.e. alternating segments of light and heavy resistance. You avoid the damage you might do to your body by pounding on the pavement, too. Although if you have the right shoes, you shouldn't have that problem...
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In highschool I used to run alot (not on a team, just for fun). I got THE most ROYALLY PAINFUL shin splints. I could barely walk at my graduation. That combine with a horse accident that ended with my leg under the horse messed with my knee a bit. I haven't really been able to run much since, I just wince at the thought. I've been biking for a while, had some nice 30 mile rides last summer. Its also a good commuting option on a nice day. Also, a lower impact activity, might save your legs. And it breaks up your mind. GOOD LUCK! :luck:
 
Spin class for sure! You can burn 700-1000 calories in one hour and sweat a ton. If you have any feet issues, i would recommend cycle shoes. I find biking to be much less impact and I personally can get a better workout.
 
For those of you who spin/bike, do your hips bother you? I want to bike for my commute, but every time (since adulthood) starting biking has always made my hips hurt and my rump sore.
 
sumstorm said:
For those of you who spin/bike, do your hips bother you? I want to bike for my commute, but every time (since adulthood) starting biking has always made my hips hurt and my rump sore.
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I am curious what solutions people have for the sore butt biking syndrome. I enjoy biking and bought an expensive seat-but I am still sore afterwards.
 
Hm, I haven't had any hip problems but I do suffer through the sore butt problem :laugh:
 
Wow, thanks so much everyone! I'm going to look for a specialty store in the area and see about shoes soon. I'm not looking to lose weight or to be fast - I just want to be a little more fit and to have some sort of exercise built into my week to help me de-stress.

I'm glad there are so many runners here I can ask questions of. Please keep any tips coming! 😀
 
sumstorm said:
For those of you who spin/bike, do your hips bother you? I want to bike for my commute, but every time (since adulthood) starting biking has always made my hips hurt and my rump sore.
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I do at least 3-4 spin classes a week and no rump or hip issues. The butt hurts in the beginning, but somehow your body seems to adapt. Course, i do have built in padding 🙂. They do make very comfortable gel seats these days as well. You can get them at WalMart relatively inexpensively and they make a big difference. I would recommend, just like with running, to get a professional to properly fit your bike - this may make all the difference in the world on your hips.

My feet and calves generally take the beating, but i attribute this to years and years of abuse playing sports. Biking is much more forgiving on my joints than running.
 
Pandacinny said:
Wow, thanks so much everyone! I'm going to look for a specialty store in the area and see about shoes soon. I'm not looking to lose weight or to be fast - I just want to be a little more fit and to have some sort of exercise built into my week to help me de-stress.

I'm glad there are so many runners here I can ask questions of. Please keep any tips coming! 😀
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Yoga helps de-stress too - builds strength and improves flexibility 🙂
 
I am the same way... and started a running regime earlier this year, but this was quickly stopped after a serious car accident put me in recovery for a couple weeks... i'm getting ready to start back up sinc ei have more time this summer, and have since healed from the previously mentioned car accident. I'm going to do what i did then, as it seemed to be working for me (and gives you a goal to work towards, which really helps me).

Previous info about me personally:
- i walk A LOT around campus, so could walk at a decent pace for long periods of time
- I am totally out of shape as soon as it got to a jog
- I have some upper body strength, as my job requires me to lift dummy foals
- I have sensitive knees, so went super slow to prevent damaging them.

Okay, so my running plan.

Week1
- Day 1: Walk at fast pace for 35 minutes (record distance)
- Day 2: repeat
- Day 3: rest
- Day 4: walk/slow jog for 35 minutes (record distance)
- Day 5: repeat
- Day 6: repeat
- Day 7: rest

Then for week 2 and 3 you kind of do the same thing with walking/jogging, slowly increasing the amount of time you jog and therefore increasing the distance you cover in 35 minutes. Week 1 and 2 have 2 rest days, and for week 3 and on replace one of the rest days with a cross training exercise like swimming, or biking, or other cardio exercises. Starting week 4 you should be jogging more than half the time, and by week 6 you should be jogging for the entire 35 minutes (start with a slow jog and don't forget to warm up and cool down before and after the 35 minutes).

This is just how i did it, and week 6 was about as far as i got. depending on what level of fitness you are at, just conform the plan to what fits best with you. If you find walking isn't increasing your heart rate enough, then jog a little more... or if jogging becomes to much then walk a little more.

For me, the goal of increasing my distance each time i went to the gym really motivated me to try harder, and pushed me through those times when i just wanted to walk.

Good luck! and let us know how it goes for you.:luck:
 
I've done the couch-to-5k several times in its entirety...it's really good, but then I don't know what to do, and I generally stop lol. Does anyone have any suggestions for what to do next? And do you all constantly increase your run lengths? For those of you who do it to relax and destress rather than to race, how far/how often do you run? What do you do in winter when it's freeeeezing? It kills my lungs to run outside but I don't want to pay for a gym membership...any ideas?

I find that I am SUPER goal oriented - if someone told me to run 10k, I would, even if I'm not in shape and am dying. But I tried to go for a run with a friend who was like, oh, let's see where we get to...I could only go for like 5 minutes because I didn't have a specific goal.
 
Oh man I miss jogging 🙁

My knee got destroyed a couple years ago playing rugby
 
I just bought a Nike plus and it is super awesome. You do need either an Ipod nano or Itouch Ipod... you put a little sensor in your shoe (nike plus shoes... they have lots of different styles) and connect a little thing to your Ipod. It keeps track of how fast you are running/walking, your total distance, the calories burned... you can set up different workouts and have different playlists all set up. Then you connect your Ipod to your computer and it tracks your distance/time/calories in graph form... And the best part... its only $29!!!! But I got sucked into buying a nano as I only had a regular ipod... thank goodness for tax returns! Also, there are gyms starting to carry Nike+ compatible cardio equipment where you cardio workouts are recorded in the same manner. So cool 🙂

And I am also doing the couch potato to 5k plan. I am on week 5 out of 9 weeks. It is really great! I also go to a lot of the classes at my gym... I find time goes by way faster in a class and I am more apt to go to a class than working out on my own.
 
robeezy08 said:
Yoga helps de-stress too - builds strength and improves flexibility 🙂
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OMG, yoga is SOOOO hard!! I shake like a leaf because i can't get my body to configure like a pretzel. And, it is not relaxing one iota for me. Don't know how y'all do it 😕
 
From one beginning jogger to another:
(Some of this has been said by others)

1) Invest in a good pair of running shoes from a place that can fit you for the right kind.

2) Start slow but go regularly. The hardest part of running is getting started. When I'm feeling lazy I always ask if after I run I wish I hadn't (which is no) vs. do I ever regret when I bail out on running (which is often). I know I'll be happier after I go even though I may not be too thrilled with dragging myself off the couch at first.

3) Never ever ignore an injury. Don't "run it out". It's better to lose 2 weeks than 2 months due to aggravating what began as a mild injury. The groin strain I decided to ignore could have taken me out for a couple of weeks if I'd been smart about it. Instead it was almost 3 months before I got back to running and I feel like I lost so much of my momentum in that time.

4) A good running partner. I can't tell you how many days I would have skipped out on the run if it hadn't been for my dog bouncing up and down in front of me. To me it was a chore to get started, to her it was the highlight of her day. Guilt works wonders for motivation.
 
flyhi said:
OMG, yoga is SOOOO hard!! I shake like a leaf because i can't get my body to configure like a pretzel. And, it is not relaxing one iota for me. Don't know how y'all do it 😕
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haha right there with ya!! I can't really get into yoga. i tried pilates, which i also stuggled with. I need to improve my flexibility before i try these things... even the begginning classes/tapes are hard for me haha
 
aretoo said:
I've done the couch-to-5k several times in its entirety...it's really good, but then I don't know what to do, and I generally stop lol. Does anyone have any suggestions for what to do next? And do you all constantly increase your run lengths? For those of you who do it to relax and destress rather than to race, how far/how often do you run? What do you do in winter when it's freeeeezing? It kills my lungs to run outside but I don't want to pay for a gym membership...any ideas?
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On a running forum I frequent, a lot of people suggest trying the One Hour Runner program after finishing Couch to 5k you can check it out here http://mindplunge.com/c25k/one-hour-runner.html

For me, I generally run mostly shorter, easier runs. when I was training for my half-marathon I'd have more structured weeks but generally even then I'd run 3mi two days a week, then maybe 5-6 miles two-three times a week and one long run of about 10 miles. If you are just running for stress relief..just run what feels good. If one day its a mile. thats ok, if one day you make it to 4mi thats great too. I think that most people feel comfortable going out for around 30 minutes of running.

As far as winter...well...if you want to run in the winter you just got to do it. Invest in some GOOD running clothes-don't just layer t-shirts and sweatshirts they're made of cotton and will get wet and heavy and cold. Under Armour makes cold weather gear that is thicker to keep you warmer. Wear gloves (you'll probably take them off as you run). Wear a hat. I live in the northeast so when I go out in the snow I'll wear underarmour tights (they're kind of thicker more like spandex) under a pair of pants. Then my under armour long sleeve turtle neck shirt and a running jacket over it. There are things called Yaktrax that you can put over your shoes to reduce slipping in the snow.

You should always be a little cold starting out because if you're warm you'll get too hot as you run. I would suggest trying different things and not running too far from home the first few times you go out so you can figure out if you're too hot/too cold etc.

as far as the breathing thing..the cold air doesn't bother me but does bother a woman I run with. She finds wearing a scarf to keep her neck warmer really helps and she can cover her mouth to kind of help warm the air if she needs to.

I hope that helped at all!
 
As far as distance, usual programs suggest shorter runs during the week. Shorter is a relative term since it depends on fitness level and what you hope to accomplish. Most also suggest an LSD day (long steady distance), so just go as long as you can at a comfortable pace, meaning you should be able to talk to your running buddy. Once you are able to, the long run should be at least 60 minutes since that is where the distance starts to give benefits. SO I guess what I mean is if you are in perfect shape and only want to run a 5k, a 60 minute long run would still benefit you since it builds up your endurance.
 
sumstorm said:
For those of you who spin/bike, do your hips bother you? I want to bike for my commute, but every time (since adulthood) starting biking has always made my hips hurt and my rump sore.
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I think it depends on your posture overall. I have terrible posture despite years of riding. My lower back will be sore when I start out. I'm also guilty of never stretching! And my abs are less than stellar...:laugh:
They do have comfy seats! But I still think it has a lot to do with how you sit.
I tend to keep my handlebars low for speed/mountain biking. I think if you make them more upright it will help. Just make sure your seat is low enough that your knee never completely straightens, it stresses them way too much. I hope I make sense right now... a little caffeine overload and a poor nights sleep!:laugh:
 
Speaking of biking, what is a reasonable distance to expect to be able to commute on bicycle? One of the areas I'm looking at is about four miles away from campus. Is this crazy talk for someone somewhat out of shape? (I'm also scared to make a left hand turn on my bike but I have hopes that I'll get over this)
 
I don't think 4 miles is crazy talk by any means. Depending on how fast you prefer to ride and how much traffic lights, etc, slow you down, that would probably take you between 15 & 25 minutes. Should be very doable. I have commuted about 16 miles each way in fairly heavy traffic. It wasn't particularly fun, and I'd never commit to doing it daily, but I don't think 4 would be out of the question. (Though I'm pretty sure I'd wuss out and drive on rainy or snowy days!)
 
Anyone in the Philly area want to recommend a good specialty store for running shoes? I tried the couch potato to 5k plan a few weeks ago, or at least I printed it out... but it was after I'd attempted my first jog on my own and it was so awful I haven't been able to muster up the courage to give it another shot since then lol.... but maybe if I invest in some good shoes I'll guilt myself into going. Also, do they sell the pedometers or whatever to track your distance at these stores? that'd be motivation for me too...
 
Shanomong said:
Anyone in the Philly area want to recommend a good specialty store for running shoes?
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Philadelphia Runner (16th & Sansom, or 37th & Walnut) should be able to help you out. And if for some reason you should find yourself in the suburbs, Bryn Mawr Running Company (in Bryn Mawr and Media) and The Running Place (Newtown Square) are the ones I go to most often.

PS Shanomong, if you ever want to come out and "run" (/drink) on a Thursday night, I'll tell you where to find us...
 
dgm said:
Philadelphia Runner (16th & Sansom, or 37th & Walnut) should be able to help you out. And if for some reason you should find yourself in the suburbs, Bryn Mawr Running Company (in Bryn Mawr and Media) and The Running Place (Newtown Square) are the ones I go to most often.

PS Shanomong, if you ever want to come out and "run" (/drink) on a Thursday night, I'll tell you where to find us...
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Oooh me too, I wanna drink and run! 😀

BTW, just signed up for 5K run/walk for June 21st for Father's Day, anyone else interested??
http://run4yourlife.kintera.org/faf/home/default.asp?ievent=309452
 
dgm said:
PS Shanomong, if you ever want to come out and "run" (/drink) on a Thursday night, I'll tell you where to find us...
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Thanks, Philadelphia Runner is 3 blocks from me so that works. What can I expect to spend on a good pair...?


And how serious are you about the "running" part on Thursdays.....? When it comes to drinking I'm almost pro, but I doubt I'd survive actual running.
 
sumstorm said:
For those of you who spin/bike, do your hips bother you? I want to bike for my commute, but every time (since adulthood) starting biking has always made my hips hurt and my rump sore.
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I do a 36 mile round trip commute on my bike 2x a week. I find that the angle and position of the saddle make a big difference. For me, having the saddle slightly forward and about 3 deg down prevents soreness. If you spend alot of time on the bike, it may be worth going to a knowledgable bike shop that does "bike fitting" and have it adjusted to fit you properly. Usually back pain, (I'm not sure about hip pain...) indicates the bike needs to be adjusted to the rider.
 
Shanomong said:
What can I expect to spend on a good pair...?

And how serious are you about the "running" part on Thursdays.....?
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Mine are usually between $90 and $100. They should last you anywhere from 300-500 miles, though. It's usually best to try not to wear them for anything but your runs.

And about Thursdays - you should be totally fine to keep up once you finish Couch-to-5k, but in the meantime, we do have people that walk, and some that just drink!
 
Shanomong said:
And how serious are you about the "running" part on Thursdays.....? When it comes to drinking I'm almost pro, but I doubt I'd survive actual running.
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I think I'm in the same situation as you are, shanomong :laugh:
 
Actually, it's 3pm. And be aware that that group, while perfectly friendly, is typically older, less rowdy, and somewhat slower-moving than the Thursday night crowd. Since they're in the city this week, however, there will likely be a good bit of cross-over.

Btw, my apologies to the OP for taking the thread off on a tangent!
 
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Thanks for the time correction, think I was referring to Phillyrunners club runs.
Yes Older and less rowdy = Boring 😛
Yea prob won't have time this weekend anyway. DGM, have you ran w/ philly runners? http://www.phillyrunners.org/
 
The single thing that makes running/jogging fun for me is taking my dog with me. Just one look at the dopey 'WOOHOO!!!' look on his face is enough to keep me going.
 
DVMorBust said:
The single thing that makes running/jogging fun for me is taking my dog with me. Just one look at the dopey 'WOOHOO!!!' look on his face is enough to keep me going.
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We're in the process of adopting a big doggie, and that's what I plan to do 😀
 
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