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I just entered as an undergraduate freshman this semester, fall 2017, and I'm kind of in a pickle here... I'm not doing that great this semester as most of my grades seems to be composed of C's. I'm currently halfway and I may be able to improve it if I just snap out of this cluster of a mess I'm in any time soon but it might take a while and I could use some help or some recommendations in how I should focus on my studies. I'm double majoring in Biology and Neuroscience because I would love to become a neurosurgeon and I will start a neuroscience class next semester if I can pull my courses off. I'm uneducated of medicine school or where to go after I graduate, what I can do during my university years, or anything that can ultimately help me become this profession. Any thoughts and help, please?
 
What made you choose Neurosurgery?
 
What made you choose Neurosurgery?
I've always been fascinated with the mind and the brain itself. Ever since I was little, I've always wanted to become a doctor. Growing up, I've discovered there were other fields and eventually I had to narrow it down. There were surgeons in my life and experience who inspired me. I'm unsure about being a cardio surgeon, a general, but what comes to the top is Neuro because I have a passion to just learn about it! Since I'm starting out, I do not know much except for the psychology classes I'm taking that contains chapters in which explains the structure of it solely, nothing else. No in depth or experimentation too. I would love to see where my studies will lead me and just see how this Neuroscience class may be for me. It's just a dream. I'm debating to be just that or a film director, hehe... However, I'll figure it out soon enough. For years, the brain passion had lasted inside and is waiting to be tested. Hmm?
 
You have time to recover, but straight Cs in what I imagine are general pre-med classes is not where you want to be. Forget about neurosurgery right now, and find tutors/SIs to get you on track ASAP
 
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I've always been fascinated with the mind and the brain itself. Ever since I was little, I've always wanted to become a doctor. Growing up, I've discovered there were other fields and eventually I had to narrow it down. There were surgeons in my life and experience who inspired me. I'm unsure about being a cardio surgeon, a general, but what comes to the top is Neuro because I have a passion to just learn about it! Since I'm starting out, I do not know much except for the psychology classes I'm taking that contains chapters in which explains the structure of it solely, nothing else. No in depth or experimentation too. I would love to see where my studies will lead me and just see how this Neuroscience class may be for me. It's just a dream. I'm debating to be just that or a film director, hehe... However, I'll figure it out soon enough. For years, the brain passion had lasted inside and is waiting to be tested. Hmm?
 
This thread has just enough to make me think OP is not a troll, but can't rule it out either
A young adult starting his life shows any sort of ambition and is suspected of being a troll.
 
A young adult starting his life shows any sort of ambition and is suspected of being a troll.
If i started a thread saying i was considering cardio or neuro surg as a freshman, would you think i was a troll? Not saying OP is a troll ,but advice has been given to him/her, study, do well on MCAT. So it does not matter at this point.
 
A young adult starting his life shows any sort of ambition and is suspected of being a troll.

"Since I'm starting out, I do not know much except for the psychology classes I'm taking that contains chapters in which explains the structure of it solely, nothing else. No in depth or experimentation too. I would love to see where my studies will lead me and just see how this Neuroscience class may be for me. It's just a dream. I'm debating to be just that or a film director, hehe..."

Newsflash BRO...everyone on this site has ambition, just pointing out how this sounds a little off.
 
I just entered as an undergraduate freshman this semester, fall 2017, and I'm kind of in a pickle here... I'm not doing that great this semester as most of my grades seems to be composed of C's. I'm currently halfway and I may be able to improve it if I just snap out of this cluster of a mess I'm in any time soon but it might take a while and I could use some help or some recommendations in how I should focus on my studies. I'm double majoring in Biology and Neuroscience because I would love to become a neurosurgeon and I will start a neuroscience class next semester if I can pull my courses off. I'm uneducated of medicine school or where to go after I graduate, what I can do during my university years, or anything that can ultimately help me become this profession. Any thoughts and help, please?

@WedgeDawg and @onceawolverine may be able to help out regarding neurosurgery matters since I know nothing about the field.

Although personally, I think your focus should be to get into medical school first. And the most important thing now is to do well in classes and aim to get a 4.0. Learn how to study better, improve study techniques, utilize office hours etc. and make sure you do well in this semester and in your freshman year (and in college).
 
If i started a thread saying i was considering cardio or neuro surg as a freshman, would you think i was a troll? Not saying OP is a troll ,but advice has been given to him/her, study, do well on MCAT. So it does not matter at this point.
You have a doctor as your profile picture so everyone would believe you.
 
"Since I'm starting out, I do not know much except for the psychology classes I'm taking that contains chapters in which explains the structure of it solely, nothing else. No in depth or experimentation too. I would love to see where my studies will lead me and just see how this Neuroscience class may be for me. It's just a dream. I'm debating to be just that or a film director, hehe..."

Newsflash BRO...everyone on this site has ambition, just pointing out how this sounds a little off.
+1

It is funny regardless. More power to you OP. Good luck to you in Neuro surg, cardio surg or directing movies or whatever you decide.
 
Getting into med school is the biggest hurdle on the way to becoming a neurosurgeon. I suggest figuring out where your academic difficulties lie. Consistent Cs means that there is probably a large and potentially very fixable problem. I would also look at the Compilation of SDN Wisdom sticky (links in my signature and at the top of the forum) to figure out what you need to do to get into medical school.
 
Lmao I thought from the title this was an attending doing a q+a. Then I got two sentences in and found out OP is a first semester freshman who has found their undying passion for NSG despite getting Cs.

Get good grades and shadow. You're a long way off.

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Somewhat reminds me of my bio 1 lab partner who told the whole section he was gonna be a cardiothoracic surgeon the first day and ultimately dropped the class due to a failing grade.

Just focus on the here and now OP. Do as well as you can on the task ahead of you and things will fall into place. IF you get into med school, who knows how your interests may change! I also know several people who reevaluated as they went along, as you tend to appreciate just how taxing being a doc is in any field, let alone neurosurgery.

Most of the people I knew who gave up on this dream had lofty goals like that going into it too. I'm not saying this applies to you, but I believe strongly that a lot of people are attracted to medicine by delusions of grandeur, which frankly are unreal in any specialty. I know personally, working on healthcare helped me realize this, and maybe it could for you. In all, if this is what you want, don't get discouraged and keep working, but recognize you are at the beginning of a long slog.
 
I studied Neuroscience in college. Psychology, Neuroscience, Psychiatry and surgery are really all distinct fields that have very little in common. Just try to learn as much as you can in every class you take, and be open minded about your future career.
 
Make get goods, do well on the MCAT. Get into medical school first, kid.

I will take this great advice and add to it. You need to not get Cs before you can do anything, learn to love this semesters classes more than anything else.
 
Lmao I thought from the title this was an attending doing a q+a. Then I got two sentences in and found out OP is a first semester freshman who has found their undying passion for NSG despite getting Cs.

Get good grades and shadow. You're a long way off.

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Same Haha
 
I've always been fascinated with the mind and the brain itself. Ever since I was little, I've always wanted to become a doctor. Growing up, I've discovered there were other fields and eventually I had to narrow it down. There were surgeons in my life and experience who inspired me. I'm unsure about being a cardio surgeon, a general, but what comes to the top is Neuro because I have a passion to just learn about it! Since I'm starting out, I do not know much except for the psychology classes I'm taking that contains chapters in which explains the structure of it solely, nothing else. No in depth or experimentation too. I would love to see where my studies will lead me and just see how this Neuroscience class may be for me. It's just a dream. I'm debating to be just that or a film director, hehe... However, I'll figure it out soon enough. For years, the brain passion had lasted inside and is waiting to be tested. Hmm?

Neurosurg has little to nothing to do with anything you just mentioned as interesting to you.

Getting into med school is the biggest hurdle on the way to becoming a neurosurgeon. I suggest figuring out where your academic difficulties lie. Consistent Cs means that there is probably a large and potentially very fixable problem. I would also look at the Compilation of SDN Wisdom sticky (links in my signature and at the top of the forum) to figure out what you need to do to get into medical school.

Disagree on the bolded. It may be OP's biggest hurdle (if that's what you meant), but to match into neurosurg you literally have to be the best of the best. That means 255+ STEP, 8+ PAPERS (never mind publications), AOA or Gold Humanism (preferably both), and other intangibles like spectacular evals. Getting into med school will be the easiest thing one does if they want to end up in neurosurg.
 
Disagree on the bolded. It may be OP's biggest hurdle (if that's what you meant), but to match into neurosurg you literally have to be the best of the best. That means 255+ STEP, 8+ PAPERS (never mind publications), AOA or Gold Humanism (preferably both), and other intangibles like spectacular evals.
When the mean step 1 of matched applicants is 249...you don't need a 255+ to match.
 
Getting into med school is the biggest hurdle on the way to becoming a neurosurgeon.

Would you say that is true for any specialty? Just curious. I would've imagined ortho or derm would be harder to get into than to get into because you have to be at the top in a class of the top people that were pre-meds. I realize that the match % for each specialty is probably much better than med school acceptance rates but I figured that was due to people who aren't competitive realize that and don't apply to specialties they don't have much chance in.

Just wondered!!
 
Disagree on the bolded. It may be OP's biggest hurdle (if that's what you meant), but to match into neurosurg you literally have to be the best of the best. That means 255+ STEP, 8+ PAPERS (never mind publications), AOA or Gold Humanism (preferably both), and other intangibles like spectacular evals. Getting into med school will be the easiest thing one does if they want to end up in neurosurg.

You do not have to have these ridiculous stats to match neurosurgery. You have to be an above average med student with an above average step 1. The median step 1 score in 2016 was 249, which is high, yes, and that's about 80th percentile. However, even if you have between a 231 and 240, you have a 60% chance of matching and even if you have a 221-230, you still have a 50% chance of matching. Step 1 is probably the biggest hurdle once you're in med school to matching neurosurgery or other highly competitive specialties. 32% of students who match neurosurgery have AOA. It's not a requirement, not even close. Research is highly valued, but you definitely do not need 8 papers or even half that. If you don't believe me, pubmed search the names of current neurosurgery interns. You'll find plenty of them with 0-2 publications. Obviously if you're looking at UCSF interns, half of whom are PhDs, they'll have a lot more, but that's the exception, not the norm.

A non-AOA student from a mid tier school with reasonable clinical grades, a 240+ step 1, and 1-2 neurosurgery papers stands a very reasonable chance of matching neurosurgery. Are they going to Barrow, Columbia, or UCSF? Probably not, but they'll likely match somewhere. You are describing the type of applicant who is in the top percentiles of competitiveness at highly academic programs (like the ones mentioned before). Many of these residents will come from top schools, have 250+ step scores, AOA, and loads of research. But that's true in any specialty. The range in neurosurgery isn't like the range in IM where you can match community primary care track IM in Oklahoma with a 199, all low passes, and nothing else to show - you still have to be, as I said, an above average student with an above average step 1, and at least some research. But that's an attainable goal for many med students, not just the top percentile of students like you are saying. I guarantee you that you do not have to literally be the best of the best.

Would you say that is true for any specialty? Just curious. I would've imagined ortho or derm would be harder to get into than to get into because you have to be at the top in a class of the top people that were pre-meds. I realize that the match % for each specialty is probably much better than med school acceptance rates but I figured that was due to people who aren't competitive realize that and don't apply to specialties they don't have much chance in.

Just wondered!!

You don't have to be at the top of your class to match any specialty. You have to be at the top of your class to match to a top academic program in most specialties. ENT, Derm, and Plastics are a little different because they have such a high proportion of AOA students (Derm and Plastics are both 50% and ENT is a little lower), but that means that even in plastics, arguably the most competitive specialty, 50% of successful applicants are not AOA. Yes, if your advisory deans are good and you listen to them, people will self-select out of applying to specialties they aren't competitive for at all, but if you're flexible in terms of location and what type of environment you'll be training in, you have a lot more options available to you.
 
Neurosurg has little to nothing to do with anything you just mentioned as interesting to you.



Disagree on the bolded. It may be OP's biggest hurdle (if that's what you meant), but to match into neurosurg you literally have to be the best of the best. That means 255+ STEP, 8+ PAPERS (never mind publications), AOA or Gold Humanism (preferably both), and other intangibles like spectacular evals. Getting into med school will be the easiest thing one does if they want to end up in neurosurg.

True. Don't have AOA or Gold. Sitting on a lot of II.

Neurosurgery is self selecting.
 
Don't take neuroscience classes. They won't help you right now and you will just have to take it again in medical school (same goes for biochemistry, cell biology, and epidemiology, amongst other classes that pre-med college students tend to take). Just do what you can to secure yourself admission into an allopathic medical program first. Worry about specialties when you get to your clinical years.
 
Q: How do I become a neurosurgeon?
A: First, get into medical school following the steps below:
1. Get off this site NOW.
2. Once you've stopped obsessing over SDN, get good grades and meaningful experiences
3. Come back when you need resources for the MCAT. Then leave again.
4. Obliterate the MCAT
5. Come back again for the school specific threads when you are actually applying

JK 😛
 
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