Just wondering...

[WillThisEverEnd]

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how money do you make when you graduate medical school and you're completing residencies? I know it's not as much as when you get done with residency, but I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me on the subject.

Thanks,
Dustin

 

[Jim Picotte]

I would say the average is between $35,000 to $50,000 depending on the state, what year you are, state you're in, hospital's financial strength, etc.

 

[Castro Viejo]

Incidentally I believe New York City and the Metropolitan Area (includes portions of Northern New Jersey and Southwestern Connecticut) pays its residents the most (average starting for an intern in NYS is $43,500). The closest major city, Philadelphia, pays its interns an average of $37,000.

The down-side is New York City is a tough place to train. You'll be more overworked than your friends and neighbors in other cities, and the cost of living here is much higher than any other area in the United States.

 

[WillThisEverEnd]

How many hours a week do you guys work?

40-60???


I appreciate the replies!


Thanks,
Dustin

 

[docB]

In EM as an intern I worked about 70 (while in the ED, while on offservice I worked whatever they worked). As a senior I worked about 60. Some of the IM and Surg guys work >100. They say they're going to drop everyone to 80 but I don't believe it. Some people work less. Path and derm and optho, I don't know if they work every week or not. 😀 (JK)

 

[Behcet]

as a general rule, resident salaries are slightly different according to cost of living in that city. also, private med school programs and community-based programs tend to pay better than public hospital or public med school programs.

 

[WillThisEverEnd]

You guys and/or gals are really helping me out here. I appreciate all the insight you guys/gals provide.

When you finish your residency; how many hours do you work per week then? (e.g: EM M.D.)


Thanks,
Dustin

 

[smackdaddy]

Originally posted by WillThisEverEnd
How many hours a week do you guys work?

40-60???

ha ha

 

[WillThisEverEnd]

Originally posted by smackdaddy
ha ha

I take it you didn't work those type of hours.🙁 Sometimes less is more.

 

[smackdaddy]

yeah but in this case, more is more.

it depends on how you look at it. if you are taking overnight call every week, especially if it is a weekend call, you are looking at 9-10 hour days m-f, 24 hours sat. so that is considered ~80 hours. you aren't necessarily being flogged to death every single minute, but you will be in the hospital.

sometimes you can sit back and watch a ball game during those hours. sometimes you won't sit down at all.

less is only more if you are working 120 hours per week and they cut you back to 100.

but really you (and a lot of people here) are looking at it backwards. residency is your chance to prepare for the rest of your life. you get in what you put in. if you take off early every day (and many people have been known to do that) you won't know how to care for your patients as well. and that may come back to haunt you in addition to the obvious potential loss of care for your patients when you are in your own practice (and have full liability) and no admission caps to protect you. if you make more mistakes and see others mistakes while training you will learn a lot. if you watch a lot of ballgames, well like i always say-

remember, you only cheat yourself.

 

[WillThisEverEnd]

I'm sorry I should have made myself a little bit clearer. When I said less is more I was responding to the way you said "ha ha" in response to one of my previous posts. What I was saying is you didn't have to say anything else more than "ha ha" because the point was taken that you or anyone else for that matter hardly ever works less than 60hrs/week. So, when I said sometimes more is less I was referring to the fact that you need not say anymore than you had because I comprehended your point about the hours being longer than 60/week. My bad. I would never sacrifice my competency as a Dr. and try and sneak out of time in the field that I need to help improve myself as a better Dr.


Dustin

 

[smackdaddy]

Originally posted by WillThisEverEnd
I'm sorry I should have made myself a little bit clearer. When I said less is more I was responding to the way you said "ha ha" in response to one of my previous posts. What I was saying is you didn't have to say anything else more than "ha ha" because the point was taken that you or anyone else for that matter hardly ever works less than 60hrs/week. So, when I said sometimes more is less I was referring to the fact that you need not say anymore than you had because I comprehended your point about the hours being longer than 60/week. My bad. I would never sacrifice my competency as a Dr. and try and sneak out of time in the field that I need to help improve myself as a better Dr.


Dustin

excuse the sarcasm then. residency is fun. i thought i had great friends in college and medical school, but the friends i made throughout residency were much closer. of course, i was practically living with them. 😉
don't get distracted by the details.
it really is hard for you to conceive how much better the life will be on the other side, 10 years out. you probably have only been an adult for < 10 years. enjoy the journey.

 

[docB]

It's good to not be brutalized during residency but the hours you will work during your career is more important. There are some residencies that are really viscious but the eventual lifestyles are pretty good like ENT or URO.

 

[shaft]

In an EM residency (as a approximation) say you work 20 12 hour shifts a month (this is at the high end) ... this works out to a weekly average of about 55 however those are usually fairly grueling...

 

[ckent]

That's really surprising that NY residents are over-worked, considering that there are so many residents in NY. I read somewhere that 1 in 5 residents are trained in NY, but 20% of the population does not live in NY, so there must be more residents per person in NY then anywhere else in the nation. I was actually hoping to go to NY to train too.

Originally posted by ******
Incidentally I believe New York City and the Metropolitan Area (includes portions of Northern New Jersey and Southwestern Connecticut) pays its residents the most (average starting for an intern in NYS is $43,500). The closest major city, Philadelphia, pays its interns an average of $37,000.

The down-side is New York City is a tough place to train. You'll be more overworked than your friends and neighbors in other cities, and the cost of living here is much higher than any other area in the United States.

 

[The Pill Counter]

I think that figure is 1 in 7, still pretty high.