Keck vs. NYMC vs. UT Memphis Please HELP!!!

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I just thought I’d post my own one of these versus posts. (I know, I said something similar that was purely about money earlier.) Also, I have about 12.5 thousand in debt form undergrad. Anyways, I think I want to do surgery, (maybe even orthapedics if I can), BUT nothing is set in stone at all. I’m not too sure about research and academic medicine, as a career, but I am seriously thinking about it. I’m not really leaning towards it though, I’d have to learn more about them as careers.

FYI: UT told me I was going to get a scholarship, but they did not tell me the amount until about a week ago (which is why I had two acceptances). A day later, Keck called. Anyways which school do you all think I should go?

Keck: I got a call a week ago, I REALLY want to go to this school. It was tied second for my favorite schools I interviewed. I would love going to a new location (been in TN for all 22 years of my life). I think I’d get great clinical experience at their hospital, especially for emergency medicine and surgery which is what I want to go into. I don’t know Keck’s residency match specifics though (they didn’t give them out at the interviews), but it’s much higher ranked (36 overall). Thus, I know that academic medicine and research career doors won’t be closed for me, perhaps unlike the other schools, but I’m being told that Keck’s reputation (or rank) is not good enough to spend the extra money on for those reasons.
The main problem is, I got no scholarships at all and it costs about 61 thousand a year, so about 250K in debt (w/o calculating interest. I think that might be insurmountable, even for a doctor. If it weren’t for money, there would be no question I’d go to Keck.

NYMC: I was accepted and offered a 15000 dollar scholarship. It would still be 44 thousand a year or so (about 170 thousand in debt once I graduate), even with the scholarships. I really liked this school due to its location. My ideal situation would be living in or near NYC (like Columbia &#61516😉 and it’s easy enough to get into the city from there (like 45 minutes on the train). Also, the rotations are in NYC, which is a real plus for me. They have good board scores and I liked many of the hospitals that their residents matched (grads were getting in great hospitals). I don’t think they were getting into competitive matches that those hospitals though, but it’s still good.
The problem is, I think it’s about equally ranked as UT (both unranked). And I’m not sure if there surgery program is as good as UT’s, if it costs the same, I’d probably go here over UT but since it doesn't, I dont know.

UT: I was accepted and offered a state specific scholarship of 13400 for UT. I know they have really hands on clinical rotations like Keck with the students getting to do a lot of work, which would be good for a surgeon. The cost would be about 27 thousand a year, about 105 thousand in total debt when I graduate. Almost everyone’s saying I should go here. Also, living would be dirt cheap and I’d be able to get a really nice apartment.
The problem is I REALLY want to get out of TN and the Southeast. It was one of my main goals when I started to apply (hoping to go to NYC or California). More specifically, I did not like the city of Memphis much at all and don’t want to live there (for many different reasons). There match list is fine, but it seems almost all the doctors match somewhere in TN or around TN (like Alabama or Kentucky). I can’t help but feel like I’d be in TN or the South for the next 8 years at least by going to UT. Also, I’m not sure if it would be the best school to go to if I decide to do research or enter academic medicine in the future.

What should I do!? Also, I’m deciding hopefully by tomorrow since I’ll be gone for a month in 2 days! And about money, I think my parents might help with the finances some (at most, 12-15 thousand a year and I'm not even sure about that).
 
I would go to your state school. 250K vs. 100k is a BIG difference, and though USC is a great school, is going there worth more than double the price? And keep in mind that many people who go to your state school probably apply for residencies in the same area, I wouldn't interpret that as a sign they couldn't get a spot anywhere else.

Best of luck whatever you choose! :luck:
 
I would only go to USC if you absolutely love it and/or cannot see yourself at the other schools whatsoever.
 
Although I'd love it if you'd turn down your USC acceptance, I think you should go to the school that balances everything you're looking for best. It sounds like your priorities are money, location, and prestige. While it'd be great to only be 105k in debt, it sounds like that's the only benefit of going to UT, and that you really don't want to go there. Because of that, I would advise against going to UT.

Between NYMC and USC it's harder. 170k vs. 250k is a pretty huge difference, but it can most likely be overcome and is worth it if you'd be significantly happier at USC. As for prestige, I've heard there's not much difference once you're below the top 20 schools, but this is just hearsay so take it with a grain of salt. Both locations seem pretty great to me, so this category really boils down to personal preference.
 
So still, some saying I should to UT, some saying USC. It all boils down to:

Should I go to a school based on location that I want to go to for about 18K more a year? (UT vs NYMC)

Should I go to a lower ranked school I don't want to go to for much less money in a city I don't want to be in over a school and city I want to go to for more money 36K a year? (USC vs UT)
 
plainolerichie said:
So still, some saying I should to UT, some saying USC. It all boils down to:

Should I go to a school based on location that I want to go to for about 18K more a year? (UT vs NYMC)

Should I go to a lower ranked school I don't want to go to for much less money in a city I don't want to be in over a school and city I want to go to for more money 36K a year? (USC vs UT)

That fact that you keep saying "you don't" in connection with UT should close it for you mate. Go to USC
 
i'm on the waitlist at usc, so i have a conflict of interest, but nonetheless i'm saying go with the $$$. you can always come back to cali for residency, where they actually pay you a (albeit meager) salary. however, if you think there is a really good chance you'll be doing ortho, then money doesn't really matter, since you'll be able to pay if off eventually. go with your gut, and good luck.
 
Wow, tough choice. I would go to Keck hands down. I know this is controversial, but seriously, in the end, whats the difference in tuition going to matter? Drop NYMC. Choose between UT and keck, and choose Keck.
 
go where you'll be happy and sort out the money problems later! what's a little more debt when you already have so much? the numbers are so extravagant for med school that i can't comprehend the kind of debt we're about to enter, and the difference between 100k (holy cow) and 200k seems trivial compared to the fact that we're crossing from the black to the red. keck is sweet
 
exmike said:
Wow, tough choice. I would go to Keck hands down. I know this is controversial, but seriously, in the end, whats the difference in tuition going to matter? Drop NYMC. Choose between UT and keck, and choose Keck.

QFT
 
exmike said:
Wow, tough choice. I would go to Keck hands down. I know this is controversial, but seriously, in the end, whats the difference in tuition going to matter? Drop NYMC. Choose between UT and keck, and choose Keck.

I agree, sort of. Either pick for money or pick for happiness, but don't settle on both accounts!
 
Rich, go to Keck... you'll be happiest there. And loans can be consolidated and repayed, no worries.
 
plainolerichie said:
IKeck: I got a call a week ago, I REALLY want to go to this school. It was tied second for my favorite schools I interviewed. I would love going to a new location (been in TN for all 22 years of my life). I think I’d get great clinical experience at their hospital, especially for emergency medicine and surgery which is what I want to go into. I don’t know Keck’s residency match specifics though (they didn’t give them out at the interviews), but it’s much higher ranked (36 overall). Thus, I know that academic medicine and research career doors won’t be closed for me, perhaps unlike the other schools, but I’m being told that Keck’s reputation (or rank) is not good enough to spend the extra money on for those reasons.
The main problem is, I got no scholarships at all and it costs about 61 thousand a year, so about 250K in debt (w/o calculating interest. I think that might be insurmountable, even for a doctor. If it weren’t for money, there would be no question I’d go to Keck.

Go here, but ask them if they can increase your aid to match your other schools. The worst they can say is no.
 
If you're pretty sure about orthopaedics (as I am 😉 ), I think you need to reconsider UT. I chose UT over several other OOS and private school acceptances mostly because of UT's Campbell Clinic (a la "campbell's operative orthopaedics"), which is one of the premier orthopaedic residency programs in the nation. This should leave you with great opportunities to make contacts in the field.

Otherwise, it sounds like you would really be happier at USC. If you don't want to stay in south/southeast and you're not completely sure about the whole academic vs. private practice route, it sounds like you need to follow your gut and go to USC.

Best of luck in whatever you decide.
 
Go to Keck. I'll be there. So should you. If you are a surgeon you will make plenty of money to pay back your loans. If you go to UT you may have a more difficult time getting out of the Southwest for residency, but if you go to USC you have roots in the south and on the west coast . . .

Plus, it's LA. 'nuff said.
 
UT is Tennessee. Southeast. 🙂

I just saw your post in the oto forums and I thought I would bring up an interesting point. It seems like all of us on this side of the fence (ie pre-ms and ms) are saying to go where you'd be happy and most of the residents and practicing docs are saying to go with the $.

Just an observation.
 
Goose-d said:
most of the residents and practicing docs are saying to go with the $.

Just an observation.

It obviously looks bleak when you're staring down $200k in debt as you start your residency, which I'm sure taints their vision of it all, but if a person can go a school for free but will be unhappy there versus paying full price at a school where they'll be excited to go to class every day, there's no contest... go where you're going to be happy.

Oh yeah, I have a friend who wants to learn how to wakeboard... you still in Nashvegas, or are you elsewhere for the summer?
 
Keg said:
It obviously looks bleak when you're staring down $200k in debt as you start your residency, which I'm sure taints their vision of it all, but if a person can go a school for free but will be unhappy there versus paying full price at a school where they'll be excited to go to class every day, there's no contest... go where you're going to be happy.

Oh yeah, I have a friend who wants to learn how to wakeboard... you still in Nashvegas, or are you elsewhere for the summer?

good point, i was about to edit my post to bring up the same point. i still think if rich is interested in academia, he should go with USC, no question.

hit me up! i'm out every day that I'm not working!
 
If you'll be happiest at USC, go to USC. Think of it as a once in a lifetime opportunity, because it is.
 
My dad is a doctor, and he recommended that I go with where I liked, not to worry too much about money. Of course, this is from the standpoint of having paid off his student loans already 🙂

I am surprised everyone is saying Keck, because I thought NYMC was a good compromise. If your main goal is to get out of the SE, then don't go to UT, but 170 vs. 250 is pretty significant. (You could buy a house/condo in some places for that, yikes.)
 
Goose-d said:
UT is Tennessee. Southeast. 🙂

I just saw your post in the oto forums and I thought I would bring up an interesting point. It seems like all of us on this side of the fence (ie pre-ms and ms) are saying to go where you'd be happy and most of the residents and practicing docs are saying to go with the $.

Just an observation.

You're right, Goose-d. My bad.

I guess i got the westside on my mind . . . .
 
kaat44 said:
I am surprised everyone is saying Keck, because I thought NYMC was a good compromise. If your main goal is to get out of the SE, then don't go to UT, but 170 vs. 250 is pretty significant. (You could buy a house/condo in some places for that, yikes.)

Don't compromise. Either save $$$ or go all out.

Also, USC has phenomenal board scores (step 1 avg ~230?) and a stellar match list this year (including many plastics matches) though NY Med also does well on its boards since its preclinical curriculum is like one long board review course.

But you really can't beat the clinical exposure of LA County. And SoCal is a more open minded diverse place than much of the Southeast outside the perimeter (the Atlanta I-285 perimeter that is). Ortho pays well too.
 
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