Keeping PTSD Secret for Life

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What if one is rated 50% by the VA but was able to do well in undergrad, MCAT, didactics of med school (and even clinical rotations)? The VA disability and compensation is paid for the rest of his life. Is it okay for him to never reveal it to anyone for the rest of his life (including the hopsital and state) if it is not impacting him in any way.

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at some point, it may need to be revealed since licensure and credentialing application may ask...it may not be impacting you now, but always has a potential to do so...and the bigger issue in the eyes of medical board is not necessarily the illness but the omission of mentioning it.
 
someone said license and credentialing apps don't ask about any conditions directly though. It violates ADA policy and can lead to a possible future lawsuit. They usually only ask "Do you have conditions that affect your ability to practice medicine?" Is not that the case usually? In that case, NOTHING needs to be revealed. The vet is stable and his PTSD is not bothering him at all. In fact, unless anyone asks directly " Have you been diagnosed with PTSD?" Only one or two states seem to ask things directly that though.

There are some "normal" med students that came straight from undergrad who are more emotionally and mentally unstable. Should these students be subjected to medical scrutiny because they exhibited more psychiatric symptoms than the PTSD dude?
The only reason he got the PTSD VA compensation was by filing the claim correctly and saying the right stuff to the rater, although he did have some major post-deployment stress
 
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just wanted to see how doctors view their colleagues with PTSD. It would not be nice for one to face discrimination or prejudice based on his past diagnosis.

Also, someone pointed out that because of the Menkowitz v. Pottstown Memorial Hospital ,no hospitals or clinics can ask medical providers directly about their medical conditions or treatments, since that would violate ADA. However (again) they can ask whether or not one has a medical or pscyh condition that would affect their ability to provide the best care possible? or they need accommodation for any reason? If PTSD or whatever is not really bothering one, he has the right to say no.... Right? 😉
 
but then there is a bigger question...he is getting disability for a disability that doesn't disable him?

was the "right" stuff said, real? or just the "right stuff" said to the rater...

again, the greater sin in the eyes of medical board is not telling the truth...if he doesn't mention the PTSD and then something happens and he says well I have PTSD that has become uncontrolled, its going to be harder for him than if he mentioned that he has PTSD that was well controlled but now is not...
 
just wanted to see how doctors view their colleagues with PTSD.
I don't view a colleague with PTSD as different than any other colleague. But one that is collecting disability while working as a doctor? I view that one as scum leeching off of society including myself.
 
Go to the lawyer forums and ask them about that cough you've been having for the last little while...

In essence, that's what you're doing here. you're asking a primarily legal question to a bunch of anonymous doctors.
 
someone said license and credentialing apps don't ask about any conditions directly though. It violates ADA policy and can lead to a possible future lawsuit. They usually only ask "Do you have conditions that affect your ability to practice medicine?" Is not that the case usually? In that case, NOTHING needs to be revealed. The vet is stable and his PTSD is not bothering him at all. In fact, unless anyone asks directly " Have you been diagnosed with PTSD?" Only one or two states seem to ask things directly that though.
At least in my state, the above is wrong- licensing board asks specifically if you have ever been diagnosed with or treated for xxxx conditions. So you would have to answer yes; if it didn't significantly affect your ability to function as a physician that would not be likely to be a problem. But you are still asked the question and need to answer truthfully. Maybe mine is just one of those "1 or 2 states", but I'm not so sure it's that few.
 
first of all, I was rated and collecting the VA compensation even before entering residency, so... Also, the VA can always reassess and lower my compensation to almost nada...

I see you are from TEXAS, lol. Yes, your state is one of the ones that specifically ask for some diagnoses including DEPRESSION. Also, houston asks vets with PTSD or any mental diagnosis to list it on their driver licenses lol, which is so pathetic... I would never want to go back there...
On the other hand, most NW states inclduing NY, NJ, and MD or Western states like Cali do not ask


At least in my state, the above is wrong- licensing board asks specifically if you have ever been diagnosed with or treated for xxxx conditions. So you would have to answer yes; if it didn't significantly affect your ability to function as a physician that would not be likely to be a problem. But you are still asked the question and need to answer truthfully. Maybe mine is just one of those "1 or 2 states", but I'm not so sure it's that few.
 
I don't view a colleague with PTSD as different than any other colleague. But one that is collecting disability while working as a doctor? I view that one as scum leeching off of society including myself.

I served in the war and risked my life. I served over 10 years in the military. I feel I deserve the perk and special treatment that comes with being a combat vet.
 
I see you are from TEXAS, lol. Yes, your state is one of the ones that specifically ask for some diagnoses including DEPRESSION. Also, houston asks vets with PTSD or any mental diagnosis to list it on their driver licenses lol, which is so pathetic... I would never want to go back there...
On the other hand, most NW states inclduing NY, NJ, and MD or Western states like Cali do not ask

Fair enough! I agree; do not think they should ask in quite the way that they do.
 
In my state, the wording is based on being impaired by a diagnosis rather than having received any specific diagnosis. However, I agree with others that if you're collecting service connection benefits, you should be impaired in some way. Working fulltime as a physician and collecting disability benefits seems incompatible to me, regardless of what happened in the military.
 
First of all, thank you for your service. Your sacrifice is part of what keeps this country safe.

Your question is very complicated, and multifaceted.

The first question is whether it is legal to collect VA diability and work at the same time. Most people here would assume that you can't work and get VA disability at the same time. That's because usually disability pays you because you are unable to work, so if you are able to work, you shouldn't get disability. But it's much more complicated than that. In any case, most VA disability is collectable even if you are working full time. It's somewhat a misnomer -- should be called "injury related payments" or something like that.

The next question is whether you would need to reveal it or not. The answer is "it depends". In general, employers can not ask. They can ask you whether you have any problems that currently impair your ability to function, and they can ask you if you have an ADA disability that requires accomodation. But other than that, they cannot ask. Medical Boards still can ask. Chances are, if someone litigates this (and they will), the medical boards will lose. Their argument will be that they are protecting the public, but ultimately the courts will likely (IMHO, based on nothing) rule in favor of individual privacy, as it's unfair to punish someone for something that might happen in the future. To make matters more complicated, the rules for training licenses and full licenses can be different, so it may be hard to determine which states will require what disclosure. No state will require you to disclose your payments, but they may require disclosure of your treatment/medical records.

A last question (that I see) is whether programs would need to consider accommodations for this under the ADA. That's an interesting question. Assuming that your PTSD affects your daily functioning in a significant way, programs would need to consider reasonable accomodations. The tough part is determining what is "reasonable". No overnight shifts (to help with your sleeping), or decreasing your workload, are likely not reasonable (but that will depend upon many factors). Stretching your training out over a longer period of time so the intense blocks are more separated might be.
 
If, however, you were to ever have a malpractice issue and you failed to notify your liability insurer or employer of your mental illness (which, by definition, is so severe that the VA has been continuing to pay you regularly for, and which you haven't attempted to have reduced during a period of recovery) , I suspect your patient's lawyer would eat you alive and your employer may choose to wash their hands of you.


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but then there is a bigger question...he is getting disability for a disability that doesn't disable him?

For those who have not worked with the VA disability system, its best to think of it as a lifetime annuity for a service related injury, rather than as actual disability insurance. That's how it's structured. You are paid for being injured, not for being unable to perform work.

It's dishonest if he doesn't actually have symptoms, but if he does he is using the system exactly how it's designed to be used.
 
One of the best posts I've seen from @aProgDirector

I don't view a colleague with PTSD as different than any other colleague. But one that is collecting disability while working as a doctor? I view that one as scum leeching off of society including myself.

How about you not participating in the military is leaching off of society and veterans? I want you to take on a medical condition related to military service before you begrudge any of them a single dollar.

In my state, the wording is based on being impaired by a diagnosis rather than having received any specific diagnosis. However, I agree with others that if you're collecting service connection benefits, you should be impaired in some way. Working fulltime as a physician and collecting disability benefits seems incompatible to me, regardless of what happened in the military.

What people don't appreciate about their colleagues that are disabled, or compensating for a disability and still working full time and with the same workload, is that they are working harder than you are and not being compensated for it. Many of them are paying more out of their pockets, hurting their health, enduring more pain, to do just as much. Some of them have to. I've seen the looks of resentment the doc in a wheelchair gets because everyone else has to walk 2 more flights of stairs to meet them or it adds 20 min to the day to wait for the elevator while rounding with them. Say they were like many of us, and didn't start training that way (ie it's not like they were choosing to be that sort of doctor). Do the rest of us owe it that individual and to society to help them contribute as much as they can? They contribute more being a doctor in a wheelchair while the rest of us are inconvenienced than for us not to bother.

****ing suck it up people. Those of us who have more or are able to help out the vets, the widows, the orphans, the disabled, the hungry, the sexually abused and nicotine addicted, should. I went into medicine to trouble myself for these people, and I'm glad to have a higher salary to pay more taxes for them. It's a privilege to be in that position. To be in the shoes of a doctor whose work is not only more fulfilling and exciting, makes a good living, and can foot these bills, who can help these groups. Because no matter how hard we work, we don't intrinsically work harder than the combat vet, or even a garbage collector, there's a value to the sort of intelligence and stress we have, but not to where we should act like they shouldn't be entitled to more than our expertise and time.

The combat vet absolutely deserves not to foot a single ****ing dime towards any condition that is service related, even if he's making a physician's salary. You shouldn't be expected to pay for a foot that you let get shot off to protect your country.

These vets literally and often permanently sacrifice some of their health in the service, and whatever they are left dealing with deserves full support.

Maybe to manage his PTSD and handle the stress of being a physician, maybe to cope with sleepless nights he's drinking more coffee. Getting mote counseling and paying more towards his out of pocket deductible, copays, out of pocket maximum. Maybe he's buying lavender scented pillows and self help books. A white noise machine. We have no idea what this is costing the vet personally, and I'm quite comfortable having whatever tiny fraction of my salary, even as an underpaid resident, say $2 a year or whatever non-sense I'm sure it is, putting some extra cash in his pocket for whatever that does for him. Just because now his life sucks a little more to deal with **** he never would have otherwise for this country's benefit.

People do the best they can, get dealt **** hands, or are parents raising the next generation, or whatever group is needing some socialist support, and everyone who has more wants to grumble about helping the person with less, as if we don't have enougb by being better of than they are in some way.

The physician with PTSD or service related condition getting disability from the VA and working full time, has less than another doc not in those shoes. We all pay taxes and there's laws and filing and paperwork to redistribute among us. He'll get a salary, and VA benefits, and taxes etc will adjust accordingly. I'll pay taxes as a resident without children, and my co-resident with kids will accordingly, and maybe some of the vet's check and some of my check will go for childcare credit.

I'll spend the extra 20 minutes to write a note so my co-resident with kids can go home that much earlier. I'll pass up the time with my cats. I'll spend an extra 20 min with the doc in the wheelchair. And I'll pay the tax for whatever this vet qualifies for as long as they are reporting their condition and income to the VA honestly.

But I'm not so greedy that I'm not willing to part with some of my money for people who have less.

The full-time physician with PTSD disability is welcome to a slice a of tiny resident pie. Coffee or lavender scented pillow on me.

As far as reporting, I don't think he owes anyone but his healthcare provider a damn word about his health condition and occupation. We have physician oversight, yes, but ultimately we depend on each doctor to self-monitor themselves. As long as the doc with PTSD has a psychiatrist to oversee their care, lets the psychiatrist know they are a physician, and is honest and shows up, and we institute a system that makes coverage for this doc to see that psychiatrist far far easier, than that if ****ing it. If we stop penalizing this **** and trying to brand people and get all up in their **** over PTSD for ****'s sake, I trust this guy to recognize or have help recognizing his own safety to practice medicine, as much as I trust any of you not to get so sleep deprived, burned out depersonalized, or just plain flu or hungover or still drunk at work the next day. In fact, I trust the physician with PTSD to be self-monitoring than any **** that would demand disclosure.

I would argue it's more of this sort of stigma about mental health that creates the very danger it is worried about. It kills careers, literally kills doctors, and costs society more and hurts patients far more, and even the fact that docs are posting on SDN and biting their nails over this is more harmful. The physician with mental illness is more a danger to himself, and the shaming culture, than he ever would be towards a patient.

The whole lot, the average doc, is more a danger to patients with this kind of an attitude than any individual.

Docs lie and go to work impaired because of, not in spite of, these sorts of attitudes. Give them acceptance and an easy out in the form of help and then come back, and they will not only keep their mental health from hurting patients, they will stop hurting themselves nearly so much, and will be more productive, and more honest.

I would take any of that ****ing paperwork and run it by your psychiatrist/provider and an ADA attorney, and then answer in a shrewdly honest way. But I would not give any medical school or licensing board a single word more than what you prudently by law have to.

Play the game for yourself and for keeps, play it legal. Don't give up anything you legally don't have to.

That's not saying you should lie, but feel free to follow the law.
 
If you're a doc and you're not in this for social justice, just get the **** out. There's plenty of people intelligent and hard working enough to be doing this to make people's lives better, not so they can pat themselves on the back while telling a combat vet physician they begrudge them whatever the law entitles them, or some holier than thou nonsense that we think we have to be all up in a doc with mental health issues' business. If we're so concerned about mental health in physicians we are definitely not going about it the right way. I'll stand up for physician working conditions and access to care long before I make a noise about this guy.
 
Does anyone (Vet or Not) with a mental illness disability that does by definition, affect "concentration, cause self-destructive or reckless behavior, lead to irritability or aggressive behavior" need to identify this to their malpractice insurer if asked? To not do so is lying.

DSM-5 Criteria E for PTSD are all potential liabilities for a physician (in order to have the diagnosis you MUST have 2 of these symptoms), and you would not meet criteria for disability if you did not have functional significance.

If you ever try to lie to your insurer, you can be quite sure that they will collect your premiums anyway, but use that as a reason to deny your claim when it comes in.
As soon as you are caught lying once, you will have very little standing in every action following (medical licensing board, employer, etc).

We are all glad that veterans serve our country, but this is entirely unrelated to that fact.
 
Did you read? I said I no longer deal from it. I was diagnosed right after I got out of service. I have been symptom free off med for 4 years. However, VA disability is set up in a way that once u get it after discharge you get it for the rest of your life. Also, it is up to the VA to lower the rating when they want to. They make the decision... I am not sure why I need to report this I haven't had symptoms for 4+ years. Many apps just ask "do you CURRENTLY have this condition or take med or not..."



Does anyone (Vet or Not) with a mental illness disability that does by definition, affect "concentration, cause self-destructive or reckless behavior, lead to irritability or aggressive behavior" need to identify this to their malpractice insurer if asked? To not do so is lying.

DSM-5 Criteria E for PTSD are all potential liabilities for a physician (in order to have the diagnosis you MUST have 2 of these symptoms), and you would not meet criteria for disability if you did not have functional significance.

If you ever try to lie to your insurer, you can be quite sure that they will collect your premiums anyway, but use that as a reason to deny your claim when it comes in.
As soon as you are caught lying once, you will have very little standing in every action following (medical licensing board, employer, etc).

We are all glad that veterans serve our country, but this is entirely unrelated to that fact.
 
Exaggerated startle response, avoidance of traumatic thoughts and Sleep disturbance = PTSD ; even normal people without any PTSD or anxiety have these issues

Stop spreading misinformation - not everyone with PTSD loses their mind and going around hurting people; likewise, not everyone that drinks alcohol excessively sleeps with other people's wives or do stupid stuff. Usually, it affects the person inside more than what is exhibited outside.

Excuses do not fly
 
Did you read? I said I no longer deal from it. I was diagnosed right after I got out of service. I have been symptom free off med for 4 years. However, VA disability is set up in a way that once u get it after discharge you get it for the rest of your life. Also, it is up to the VA to lower the rating when they want to. They make the decision... I am not sure why I need to report this I haven't had symptoms for 4+ years. Many apps just ask "do you CURRENTLY have this condition or take med or not..."
as gutonc stated, you seem to have already made up your mind...so why are you asking us?
you obviously don't think you have a problem and don't feel that you need to disclose, even though many of us here (having gone through the medical licensing and credentialing process) that it may be the better course of action to mention it.

you are a bit naive if you don't think that if this comes out after an event occurs that insurance companies won't take advantage of that fact not to cover you, or medical boards won't suspend your privileges...some people have to learn the hard way...

the VA may make the decision to label you PTSD, but you make the choice of taking the money...you can't have your cake and eat it too...if you take the disability payments (or injury related annuity or whatever its called) then you are acknowledging that you have the medical (or psychological) disability that you have been rated to have and in turn need to disclose it...its like having diet and exercise controlled diabetes...just because you aren't on any medication doesn't mean that you don't have the disease...or being an alcoholic that has been sober for many years...just because you don't drink anymore, doesn't been that you are not longer an alcoholic...

if however you truly no longer have PTSD, then no you don't need to disclose...but then you shouldn't be getting disability from the VA...your service is appreciated, but one of the perks and special considerations of bring a vet is not to get money for a condition that you no longer have.
 
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Did you read? I said I no longer deal from it. I was diagnosed right after I got out of service. I have been symptom free off med for 4 years. However, VA disability is set up in a way that once u get it after discharge you get it for the rest of your life. Also, it is up to the VA to lower the rating when they want to. They make the decision... I am not sure why I need to report this I haven't had symptoms for 4+ years. Many apps just ask "do you CURRENTLY have this condition or take med or not..."

Certainly don't disclose anything more than is asked for and maybe target states that don't ask if you've ever had a diagnosis or anything like that, which I agree is not cool. I'm confused, though, because I thought you had to be periodically re-evaluated for service connection disabilities and that the SC% could drop to 0%. If you drop to 0%, do you still get any regular payments? I don't think having a history of PTSD (or currently having PTSD) is incompatible with being a good physician -- it's just that medical boards get angry if they think you've been dishonest with them. You want to be really careful not to do anything that might look dishonest.
 
Again if you have evidence of regular follow up with a PCP, the VA, and a psychiatrist/mental health provider, documenting things clearly including your entire history, history of symptoms you have had, ever had, currently have, and history of NEGATIVE symptoms, clearly label symptoms you have never had. Have this follow up even when in remission.

Then get an attorney familar with medical board licensing issues and/or medmal in the state of practice. Oh, believe me, they exist. They usually have plenty plenty of experience with physicians with mental illness.

In fact, if you dig around you may find a psychiatrist that specializes in physician mental health. They will often know these attorneys and how to deal with the board.

I'm guessing 90% of the yahoos here who have dealt with licensing and credentialing issues giving you advice have never actually dealt with a medical board about mental health personally, so it's pretty easy for them to give you advice that.... and they can take that advice and.....

The medical board usually can demand and subpoena your medical and psych records, so be cognizant of that. Going out of state for certain types of mental health stuff can also mean you can honestly not disclose, the fine print on some of the bylaws on licensing asks about psychiatric hospitalizations in state and I don't know if they can't get out of state records subpoenas, also I think but may be wrong that it is more difficult for anyone to get a hold of VA records, but now we're getting to my point of advice where I say it is key is to get an attorney familar with this stuff, and definitely look up the med board policies, and medical licensing laws in your state. No really, every state has laws specifically spelling out medical licensing, though often they give broad powers to the board to set binding policy, in which case you have to review that.

Any hospital credentialing and medmal paperwork should similarly get fine tooth treatment with an attorney.

As long as you have some legal foresight on anything you do and diligent in documentation and follow up for anything, when these bodies try to shank you attorneys who actually practice law (hospitals, medmal companies are usually much better at CYA malpractice law than following ADA and confidentiality laws) well let's just say they are often in for a surprise. They usually are flouting those laws and when an attorney reminds them they tend to back off. Actually, what usually happens is that you and the medical board and the hospital and even the medmal insurance company is running around trying to do whatever they want and demanding all sorts of info from you. It's usually not until you get an attorney that they get theirs and the whole game changes.

I love it when the attorneys start to play together and all the idiot docs (you and the hospital and the board) have to get out of the way. All of sudden things start to go smoothly and they have to go home empty handed as far as information they are not entitled to.

That said, where you get bit in the ass is being let go or the board getting you involved in a PHP. All the more reason to have an attorney from the start.
 
as gutonc stated, you seem to have already made up your mind...so why are you asking us?
you obviously don't think you have a problem and don't feel that you need to disclose, even though many of us here (having gone through the medical licensing and credentialing process) that it may be the better course of action to mention it.

you are a bit naive if you don't think that if this comes out after an event occurs that insurance companies won't take advantage of that fact not to cover you, or medical boards won't suspend your privileges...some people have to learn the hard way...

the VA may make the decision to label you PTSD, but you make the choice of taking the money...you can't have your cake and eat it too...if you take the disability payments (or injury related annuity or whatever its called) then you are acknowledging that you have the medical (or psychological) disability that you have been rated to have and in turn need to disclose it...its like having diet and exercise controlled diabetes...just because you aren't on any medication doesn't mean that you don't have the disease...or being an alcoholic that has been sober for many years...just because you don't drink anymore, doesn't been that you are not longer an alcoholic...

if however you truly no longer have PTSD, then no you don't need to disclose...but then you shouldn't be getting disability from the VA...your service is appreciated, but one of the perks and special considerations of bring a vet is not to get money for a condition that you no longer have.

Woeful ignorance here about PTSD, mental health, disability, addiction, and confidentiality.

If you have diet and exercise controlled diabetes, you don't have to disclose that to employee health or the licensing paperwork. The verbage of many of those documents absolutely gives you wiggle room in answering those questions.

There is evidence of permanent changes in the brain from PTSD, and that the person in remission is a case where the brain is compensating for those changes. This is why they can be in remission, but still receive payments.

If you want to equate the two as you have, and maybe as you should, then if you don't have to disclose the controlled diabetes you don't have to disclose the well controlled PTSD. To insinuate otherwise is discriminatory on the basis of mental health and just the sort of thing to get people into trouble.

The docs running these things have no idea about how law plays into this stuff which is why they handle this stupidly and it's so very easy to get an attorney that straightens it out.
 
He may have his mind made up but it's still good to pop in here, hear the discriminitory attitudes, just in case he was entertaining the idea of ever being straight forward.

Now this combat vet can see that plenty of docs will think he is "scum" for exposing his brain to the trauma of combat and developing a chronic illness that he manages successfully, while still performing as well as his colleagues and being a full time doc despite whatever extra personal challenges he may have, and collecting on any promised benefits owed to him by his country, for having taken the ultimate risk in service to it.

They have simply proved exactly why he should do whatever he can to legally protect himself from the disgusting illness hate and stigma attitudes towards mental health held by most of his peers.

Yes, they will try to use this in any way possible against you, so you must keep this as secret as possible while following every law and rule to a T. That may or may not require disclosure. If you MUST disclose, do so after consultation with an attorney.

I see docs get ****ed by their peers for mental illness and others are open to keep a lid on the Pandora's box. You have to learn the system.

But all of the rest of the advice in this thread simply confirms OP's position. You should however, heed the advice and protect yourself from the discrimination in this thread and don't get on the wrong side of the law.
 
If you no longer suffer from PTSD, just make an appt with comp and pen to get your rating dropped to zero and you will be in a much stronger position and you won't have to defend anything to anyone. People do recover from mental illness.
 
I don't view a colleague with PTSD as different than any other colleague. But one that is collecting disability while working as a doctor? I view that one as scum leeching off of society including myself.

The man is a combat vet who has been determined by the VA to have PTSD. He is entitled to his compensation based on his service, he is no leech. Perhaps disability is the wrong word since it compensation for service-connected injuries that have a lasting effect on the veteran.

I'm also rated at 50% by the VA for service-connected injuries. I think it's fair compensation for the accelerated wear and tear of my young body. I'd much rather not have these conditions.
 
Now this combat vet can see that plenty of docs will think he is "scum" for exposing his brain to the trauma of combat and developing a chronic illness that he manages successfully, while still performing as well as his colleagues and being a full time doc despite whatever extra personal challenges he may have, and collecting on any promised benefits owed to him by his country, for having taken the ultimate risk in service to it.
I need to clarify some things. Based on the information provided by several in this thread, I apologize for and retract my statement as it seems that "disability" pay from the VA is misnamed. Based on what people are saying, the OP is using it properly. That said, if you would take a moment away from writing posts to look at the situation from my view prior to this knowledge, then you'd see I was judging OP for what I perceived to be taking money meant for disabled vets while not being one. Yes, I appreciate what vets do and all, but that doesn't mean they're all entitled to unlimited amounts of our limited resources -- wanting them to be compensated doesn't mean there shouldn't be limits and rules to that compensation as that's just not reasonable.

Also, I don't get the view that I can't comment on this topic without myself being a vet. It's just not a reasonable position that first hand experience is needed to be able to analyze and have thoughts on a situation.

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They have simply proved exactly why he should do whatever he can to legally protect himself from the disgusting illness hate and stigma attitudes towards mental health held by most of his peers.
I have in no way expressed hate or stigma towards mental health. In fact, I haven't noticed anyone expressing hate towards mental illness in this thread. Criticizing OP does not imply criticism of mental illness or vets -- we can have a more nuanced conversation than that.
 
I need to clarify some things. Based on the information provided by several in this thread, I apologize for and retract my statement as it seems that "disability" pay from the VA is misnamed. Based on what people are saying, the OP is using it properly. That said, if you would take a moment away from writing posts to look at the situation from my view prior to this knowledge, then you'd see I was judging OP for what I perceived to be taking money meant for disabled vets while not being one. Yes, I appreciate what vets do and all, but that doesn't mean they're all entitled to unlimited amounts of our limited resources -- wanting them to be compensated doesn't mean there shouldn't be limits and rules to that compensation as that's just not reasonable.

Also, I don't get the view that I can't comment on this topic without myself being a vet. It's just not a reasonable position that first hand experience is needed to be able to analyze and have thoughts on a situation.

Finally:


I have in no way expressed hate or stigma towards mental health. In fact, I haven't noticed anyone expressing hate towards mental illness in this thread. Criticizing OP does not imply criticism of mental illness or vets -- we can have a more nuanced conversation than that.

I'm actually still thinking maybe you were right about the definition of disability through the VA. Your service connection percentage is supposed to capture how disabled you are -- so if you are 50% disabled, you're somehow 50% impaired (I need a better word here) in your occupational abilities. That was also my understanding from working with veterans -- otherwise, comp and pen wouldn't periodically re-evaluate you. I don't want to be disrespectful of the op, but I'm still troubled by the notion of collecting "disability" payments when you are able to work without any impairment. If all of your PTSD symptoms have resolved, you shouldn't need to be receiving these additional payments.

http://www.benefits.va.gov/COMPENSATION/types-disability.asp
 
For those whom are unfamiliar with the VA MH disability process.....

In order to be deemed disabled by the VA due to a MH condition, a veteran must sit through an evaluation and endorse symptoms specifically concordant with the DSM. Period. The rater checks off a checklist, the process is reviewed, and the patient is deemed disabled. It is a very deliberately cut and dry process to prevent bias.

If those symptoms have changed, the veteran simply needs to get himself re-rated.

VA disability is not an annuity that one receives because he/she served for a certain number of years. That would be a military pension and is something entirely different.

An an intellectual exercise, if this was an applicant with a history of Schizophenia whom was on SSDI for a number of years, who tells us that they feel that they have recovered and state that they have no symptoms now, but is still on SSDI for this diagnosis, would those in this thread also encourage them to hide their diagnosis from the medical board?
 
I served in the war and risked my life. I served over 10 years in the military. I feel I deserve the perk and special treatment that comes with being a combat vet.

You're not getting compensated for your service, you're getting compensated for disability and you're clearly not disabled. Nice switch of words
 
Woeful ignorance here about PTSD, mental health, disability, addiction, and confidentiality.

If you have diet and exercise controlled diabetes, you don't have to disclose that to employee health or the licensing paperwork. The verbage of many of those documents absolutely gives you wiggle room in answering those questions.

There is evidence of permanent changes in the brain from PTSD, and that the person in remission is a case where the brain is compensating for those changes. This is why they can be in remission, but still receive payments.

If you want to equate the two as you have, and maybe as you should, then if you don't have to disclose the controlled diabetes you don't have to disclose the well controlled PTSD. To insinuate otherwise is discriminatory on the basis of mental health and just the sort of thing to get people into trouble.

The docs running these things have no idea about how law plays into this stuff which is why they handle this stupidly and it's so very easy to get an attorney that straightens it out.

i'm not a psychiatrist (and unless i'm mistaken, neither are you --or have you ever applied for a full unrestricted license since you are what? an intern?) so no, I'm not full of the details...but those are just examples that just because a disease is controlled doesn't make it that you are "cured" and don't have the disease...its just well controlled (and the alcohol issue would need to be be disclose fyi, sober or not)...the point was the OP says he doesn't take any medicine and that is a reason not to disclose and diet control diabetes would be an example of having a disease but not taking medicine...

and if your point is that once you have been diagnosed and even if you are in remission and can receive payments...then yes, IF ASKED, you need to disclose that info...realize that medical board and credentialing staff ask all sorts of things that other employers will not (or cannot)ask...when you finally go through the process you will understand...

not sure what you have against me...sure i smh at some of the things you write (well the bit i read because your post are SOOO long, its hard to read all of it), but I rarely post it... i appreciate that you are bursting to be helpful and be supportive, but realize that there are some things that you just have to experience to be able to give advice about...for example dealing with medical boards for applying for a full unrestricted license or dealing with the credentialing process is something you just don't have the experience...ideally they things you say would be right, because they are fair, but sometimes the process isn't just fair...
 
If you no longer suffer from PTSD, just make an appt with comp and pen to get your rating dropped to zero and you will be in a much stronger position and you won't have to defend anything to anyone. People do recover from mental illness.

I agree with this 100%, and Im also a combat vet (Marine 0331).
 
@rokshana

Thanks for your post.

I'll keep it brief. I am not conjecturing and I know how unfair the process is.

I have not gone through the unrestricted licensing or being hired at more than one hospital side of things, but let's say I have a good amount of experience combined with hefty research about everything I've posted here regarding mental health disclosure, psychiatrists working with physicians, medical board dealings, lawyers for ADA & medical licensing, and PHPs. I know less about med mal. I do know that having the

I can sum up all of my advice as follows:
Get a psychiatrist that is familar with treating physicians and dealing with the board and is a strong advocate, be compliant, have regular follow up, be a model patient
Get an attorney with familiarity with the medical board and licensing
Get an attorney familar with physician hospital contracts/credentialing
Get an attorney familar with med mal
Get an attorney familar with employee discrimination and ADA law
Some attorneys will have otherlap. Be sure they all talk to one another. Run all paperwork by them. It will be spendy but will take very little time to run things by them and you will be so so so so much better off you will wonder why you didn't have an attorney yesterday. Being proactive will prevent so mucb headache and save you so much money in the long run.

Mental health issues can destroy your medical career justly or unjustly.

All of the above lawyers will have more experience than I or anyone else who has posted on these topics. You can benefit from that experience, and you will be surprised at how much a lid you can keep on things and how much better things turn out.

Physicians have a fiduciary duty to protect patients. That is true of any physician with mental health issues, and their providers. Lawyers you hire, be sure they understand that protecting your career (which by definition also includes protecting patients, make that clear) is your top concern.

If you were arrested for murder and were innocent, you would be advised not to say one word more than advised by your attorney. The stakes are too high to trust that just knee jerk full disclosure/honesty to the police is enough to see that justice is done. If you're not going to be that naive when jail time is on the line, why would you be when it's your livelihood for the rest of your life?

Just because we are in medicine with a mission to help others does not mean that a single soul except for your doctors or attorneys gives any **** at all about your personal well being or career. Please believe me on this, because any naivety there can ruin your career.
 
OK I didn't keep it brief.

I agree with being scrupulously honest with the VA and your providers. If you are honest and still qualify, fine.

Also though, at least in my state at my hospital, all the paperwork asked was if one "has or has ever had a mental health condition that significantly impacted the ability to practice medicine" and if one "expected that it might in the future"
After hire there is paperwork that asks about if you have ever had a disability as defined by whatever verbiage and if you do currently and if can do the job with or without reasonable accomodations, then you have to go into more detail and I definitely recommend attorney and being vague while honest (two are not mutually exclusive)

It's going to depend on verbage and rules how to answer. The first set you could honestly answer no depending on your circumstances, the one on disability you must answer honestly. Whatever you answer you must be able to defend as being honest, for that consulting your physician and lawyer is helpful. Basing your answer off of your opinion in addition to a second medical opinion and a lawyer, even if they (med board and hospital) don't like your answer or question it later you have defense that your answer was good faith honest and based on medical opinion and legal advice, because you wanted to be honest, impartial, and protect your privacy. If they try to take you to task, they likely won't, but getting an attorney they will likely drop it.

Some states ask if you have mental health condition and are currently getting treatment or on meds, that can be a different story too

Again, I'm not wrong to say that you should seek supportive physician care and attorney advice. You can be honest, professional, without violating laws meant to protect your medical confidentiality. You have more rights than the board or hospital would ever lead you to believe.

They will push for you to give them all the rope they want to hang you with even if it is illegal, and I can tell you right now there are ways to protect yourself.
 
I'm actually still thinking maybe you were right about the definition of disability through the VA. Your service connection percentage is supposed to capture how disabled you are -- so if you are 50% disabled, you're somehow 50% impaired (I need a better word here) in your occupational abilities.

Kinda sorta? In the VA disability system you get a rating based on each and every injury that you have, and then you add them all up. There's no holistic assessment of your actual level of disability, and with most of the diagnoses there's no consideration of whether or not you can work or whether you are working. For example, if you have tinnitus, you are 10% disabled. If that tinnitus drives you crazy, and keeps you from working at all, you are still 10% disabled because that's what tinnitus rates. If that tinnitus is slightly annoying, but doesn't really bother you are... 10% disabled, because that's what tinnitus rates.

If you have several disabilities, each disability is considered separately, and then added up to get your total disability score. Say you lose your pinky finger on your dominant hand (20% disability), your little toe (20% diability) and you also get tinnitus (10% diability). Well you're 50% disabled, regardless of how functional you are with those three injuries.

This is obviously completely different than normal civilian disability insurance, where disability is defined as an inability to work, and working full time in your chosen profession almost always ends your disability payments. That's why I said its best to think of it as a lifetime annuity for an injury, rather than an actual disability insurance policy.
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Now psych diagnoses are a little more complicated, because most of the disability ratings are based on your level of impairment. This still doesn't preclude a person correctly judged to be disabled person from holding down a good job, but it does mean that your level of functionality does play a part in determining your rating.
 
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Did you read? I said I no longer deal from it. I was diagnosed right after I got out of service. I have been symptom free off med for 4 years. However, VA disability is set up in a way that once u get it after discharge you get it for the rest of your life. Also, it is up to the VA to lower the rating when they want to. They make the decision... I am not sure why I need to report this I haven't had symptoms for 4+ years. Many apps just ask "do you CURRENTLY have this condition or take med or not..."

Wrong. You can contact your regional office or C&P office at any time and ask to be re-evaluated and have your rating decreased if you feel your symptoms have improved.
 
Certainly don't disclose anything more than is asked for and maybe target states that don't ask if you've ever had a diagnosis or anything like that, which I agree is not cool. I'm confused, though, because I thought you had to be periodically re-evaluated for service connection disabilities and that the SC% could drop to 0%. If you drop to 0%, do you still get any regular payments? I don't think having a history of PTSD (or currently having PTSD) is incompatible with being a good physician -- it's just that medical boards get angry if they think you've been dishonest with them. You want to be really careful not to do anything that might look dishonest.

No he doesn't get payments at 0%, but does get free mental health services through the VA. So he can get treatment for the problem, he just wouldn't be getting a big tax free check.
 
Kinda sorta? In the VA disability system you get a rating based on each and every injury that you have, and then you add them all up. There's no holistic assessment of your actual level of disability, and with most of the diagnoses there's no consideration of whether or not you can work or whether you are working. For example, if you have tinnitus, you are 10% disabled. If that tinnitus drives you crazy, and keeps you from working at all, you are still 10% disabled because that's what tinnitus rates. If that tinnitus is slightly annoying, but doesn't really bother you are... 10% disabled, because that's what tinnitus rates.

If you have several disabilities, each disability is considered separately, and then added up to get your total disability score. Say you lose your pinky finger on your dominant hand (20% disability), your little toe (20% diability) and you also get tinnitus (10% diability). Well you're 50% disabled, regardless of how functional you are with those three injuries.

This is obviously completely different than normal civilian disability insurance, where disability is defined as an inability to work, and working full time in your chosen profession almost always ends your disability payments. That's why I said its best to think of it as a lifetime annuity for an injury, rather than an actual disability insurance policy.
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Now psych diagnoses are a little more complicated, because most of the disability ratings are based on your level of impairment. This still doesn't preclude a person correctly judged to be disabled person from holding down a good job, but it does mean that your level of functionality does play a part in determining your rating.

Yes and no. Some disabilities add up for a total rating, others do not. I see plenty of people 10% for this and 10% for that that do not add up to 50% rating overall.

It's a complex formula they use. The public is very ignorant of the system, the fraud that runs wild in it, and the issues the practitioners face in dealing with the system.
 
The rating scale for PTSD for those of you who are interested.

0% –A mental condition had been formally diagnosed, but symptoms are not severe enough either to interfere with occupational and social functioning or to require continuous medication.

10% –Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms controlled by continuous medication.

30% – Occupational and social impairment with occasional decrease in work efficiency and intermittent periods of inability to perform tasks (although generally functioning satisfactorily, with routine behavior, self-care, and conversation normal), due to such symptoms as: depressed mood, anxiety, suspiciousness, panic attacks (weekly or less often), chronic sleep impairment, mild memory loss (such as forgetting names, directions, recent events).

50% –Occupational and social impairment with reduced reliability and productivity due to such symptoms as: flattened affect; circumstantial, circumlocutory, or stereotyped speech (meaning one sounds like they are on speed but they are not. This is a natural and physical outward expression of a chemical imbalance in your brain. An aspect that might appear most frequent in those with TIB ); panic attacks more than once a week; difficulty in understanding complex commands; impairment of short-and long term memory (e.g., retention of only highly learned material, forgetting to complete tasks); impaired judgment; impaired abstract thinking; disturbances of motivation and mood; difficulty in establishing and maintaining effective work and social relationships. (This goes beyond hard to get along with).

70% – Occupational and social impairment, with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood, due to such symptoms as: suicidal ideation; obsession rituals which interfere with routine activities; speech intermittently illogical, obscure, or irrelevant; near-continuous panic or depression affecting the ability to function independently, appropriately and effectively; impaired impulse control (such as unprovoked irritability with periods of violence); spatial disorientation; neglect of personal appearance and hygiene; difficulty in adapting to stressful circumstances (including work or a work like setting); inability to establish and maintain effective relationships.

100% – Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment of thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name.

So if the op is accepting 50% you can see where he should be functioning. According to him he is at the 0% level, but happily accepting the check because he feels he is "entitled" to it. Also by reading his postings here it seems he had this rating scale (when you file for a rating for a VA disability they will even give you the blue print for how to get a higher rating. I've seen people come back and read to me word for word by memory what their narrative letter for compensation says for achieving the rating they want!) and basically played the game and said what he knew he had to say to get the rating he wanted. So it sounds like he gamed the system. Now he is facing a possible consequence of taking the label and the money and is upset about it. As another user said you can't have your cake and eat it to.

I'm all for veterans getting what they have earned. If someone truly has PTSD from military service and it truly is causing them social and occupational impairment then I can see the compensation payments and giving them free mental healthcare for assisting them with their issues. What I am tired of seeing though is people gaming the system who are clogging up compensation and pension appointments when people who have legitimate issues have to wait months to get an appointment to get their rating and their help. When people gaming the system are taking up mental health appointments wasting the time of the already overburdened mental healthcare providers to try and pad their claim evidence to increase their rating and we have folks with real PTSD problems waiting months for appointments to get the help they truly need. That is what burns me up.

And before anyone jumps all over me. No I am not a veteran. I am in the process of enlisting into service in the reserves once I meet the guidelines for service (I have 2% body fat left to lose to make tape). Again the military has standards for entrance. I don't expect them to just waive my weight because I don't meet the criteria for enlistment just because I feel I would be a great officer and that my 2% extra body fat would be no big issue is of no consequence or value to the military.
 
First of all, there is no negative CONSEQUENCE... I was just gauging what would be a downside to revealing a mental health diagnosis. I already spoke to most hospitals and their credentialing departments, and they assured me that they cannot ask anyone for any direct diagnosis or treatment. Doing so would violate ADA and would make them in a position to be liable. They can only ask if one has a substance abuse issue or any medical conditions that need to be revealed. I don't have to reveal anything. However, I would have to reveal what I am rated if I work for the VA

Second, I was rated just as I got out of the military. I told them the symptoms that I had at that time. It is common for people to be going through a lot of emotional stuff before ETSing.

Third, I have been too busy to go to any VA psych or medical appointments.Frankly, I havent. So, your accusation that some people waste appointments that could have gone to other vets is totally ridiculous. For your info there is a vet with a 90% mental health disability who is currently attending a DO school right now. He even fought for 3 months to get VR&E to get all his school paid for. He did it all on his own with 90%. Would you say he is impaired? I am not sure what he is going through, but because of some messed up thing that his chain of command did too him - it was blatant bullying and harassment and threat which were clearly revealed in emails - he is being compensated for it.

Also, most women that are sexually assaulted automatically gets 50% and above, regardless how much they recover. I think they DESERVE that much compensation and more for what they went through. Should they get punished and ratings taken away once they recover? I dare you say that to anyone associated with the military and you would be banned from commissioning due to a very sensitive and political nature of it.

Moreover I know at least two former master sergeants and sergeant majors rated at 70% and up working at the VA as GS12. They rightfully sought compensation for every injury that occurred in active duty and got their ratings.

Oh, here is another one for you. This one guy broke his ankle during the 2nd week of basic, he got a 30% rating medical discharge with post-911 GI BILL at 100%. Whether you like it or not, rules are rules. If you're not happy about it, go do something to change the law.

Having said all that, the VA usually low balls and screws most veterans. They try to delay and reject valid claims, destroy evidences; sometimes, people have to take them to court to win appeals. Some get disheartened and go even more crazy. People like you are probably a big reason. I hope you can stop being a cause of trouble. I know many who were never given proper assistance and booted. Things just got better recently thanks to the media exposing in-competencies and deceptions going on

Once again, I haven't seen any therapist or psych for over 4 years. I am pretty sure I might get called for re-grading soon. At that time, I plan to be honest. My guess is that my rating will drop to 10% but it is okay.
 
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Also, I haven't seen any therapist or psych for over 4 years. I am pretty sure I might get called for re-grading soon. At that time, I plan to be honest. My guess is that my rating will drop to 10% but it is okay.

again, it does seem that you have made up your mind that you don't have to or want to reveal this information...so why keep coming here? Many here have told you what the possible consequences could be of not disclosing and for some reason you feel the need to defend your decision not to disclose...

and if you think that you will drop to 10%, per the definition in a previous post, (10% –Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms controlled by continuous medication), if you answer "no" to some of the questions on credentialing paperwork you could be in a position where you are not answering that question truthfully...if you feel that the risk is worth it, well...

i think you discovered here what the downsides could be in not disclosing...

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so this is the State of Ohio's license application...they can indeed ask specific questions.
 
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I saw this recently:

The news coverage that the document says the Army surgeon general “killed” at The Gazette focused on an investigation into mistreatment of soldiers by psychologists at the Army hospital at Fort Carson in 2014, according to The Gazette’s military reporter, Tom Roeder. The Gazette waited six months to receive a copy of the Army Medical Command’s completed investigation, Mr. Roeder said in an email.


What I am afraid is that you end up being like these Army or VA providers that mistreat people vets because you think they are gaming the system. If I were you I would not speak out things like this unless you want some retaliation from organizations such as DAV, VFW and American LEgion











The rating scale for PTSD for those of you who are interested.

0% –A mental condition had been formally diagnosed, but symptoms are not severe enough either to interfere with occupational and social functioning or to require continuous medication.

10% –Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms controlled by continuous medication.

30% – Occupational and social impairment with occasional decrease in work efficiency and intermittent periods of inability to perform tasks (although generally functioning satisfactorily, with routine behavior, self-care, and conversation normal), due to such symptoms as: depressed mood, anxiety, suspiciousness, panic attacks (weekly or less often), chronic sleep impairment, mild memory loss (such as forgetting names, directions, recent events).

50% –Occupational and social impairment with reduced reliability and productivity due to such symptoms as: flattened affect; circumstantial, circumlocutory, or stereotyped speech (meaning one sounds like they are on speed but they are not. This is a natural and physical outward expression of a chemical imbalance in your brain. An aspect that might appear most frequent in those with TIB ); panic attacks more than once a week; difficulty in understanding complex commands; impairment of short-and long term memory (e.g., retention of only highly learned material, forgetting to complete tasks); impaired judgment; impaired abstract thinking; disturbances of motivation and mood; difficulty in establishing and maintaining effective work and social relationships. (This goes beyond hard to get along with).

70% – Occupational and social impairment, with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood, due to such symptoms as: suicidal ideation; obsession rituals which interfere with routine activities; speech intermittently illogical, obscure, or irrelevant; near-continuous panic or depression affecting the ability to function independently, appropriately and effectively; impaired impulse control (such as unprovoked irritability with periods of violence); spatial disorientation; neglect of personal appearance and hygiene; difficulty in adapting to stressful circumstances (including work or a work like setting); inability to establish and maintain effective relationships.

100% – Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment of thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name.

So if the op is accepting 50% you can see where he should be functioning. According to him he is at the 0% level, but happily accepting the check because he feels he is "entitled" to it. Also by reading his postings here it seems he had this rating scale (when you file for a rating for a VA disability they will even give you the blue print for how to get a higher rating. I've seen people come back and read to me word for word by memory what their narrative letter for compensation says for achieving the rating they want!) and basically played the game and said what he knew he had to say to get the rating he wanted. So it sounds like he gamed the system. Now he is facing a possible consequence of taking the label and the money and is upset about it. As another user said you can't have your cake and eat it to.

I'm all for veterans getting what they have earned. If someone truly has PTSD from military service and it truly is causing them social and occupational impairment then I can see the compensation payments and giving them free mental healthcare for assisting them with their issues. What I am tired of seeing though is people gaming the system who are clogging up compensation and pension appointments when people who have legitimate issues have to wait months to get an appointment to get their rating and their help. When people gaming the system are taking up mental health appointments wasting the time of the already overburdened mental healthcare providers to try and pad their claim evidence to increase their rating and we have folks with real PTSD problems waiting months for appointments to get the help they truly need. That is what burns me up.

And before anyone jumps all over me. No I am not a veteran. I am in the process of enlisting into service in the reserves once I meet the guidelines for service (I have 2% body fat left to lose to make tape). Again the military has standards for entrance. I don't expect them to just waive my weight because I don't meet the criteria for enlistment just because I feel I would be a great officer and that my 2% extra body fat would be no big issue is of no consequence or value to the military.
 
again, it does seem that you have made up your mind that you don't have to or want to reveal this information...so why keep coming here? Many here have told you what the possible consequences could be of not disclosing and for some reason you feel the need to defend your decision not to disclose...

and if you think that you will drop to 10%, per the definition in a previous post, (10% –Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms controlled by continuous medication), if you answer "no" to some of the questions on credentialing paperwork you could be in a position where you are not answering that question truthfully...if you feel that the risk is worth it, well...

i think you discovered here what the downsides could be in not disclosing...

So are you telling me if something significant happens to you, you won't have transient symptoms that might affect you at work? Lets say your husband wants a divorce; wouldn't you take time off to resolve this? VA gives 10 to 30% in that scenario. If you don't like it go complain to the congress and veteran organizations. I didn't make up the rule

However, you wouldn't be too quick on downgrading the rating of a woman who was raped in service but recovered almost fully. That would be HORRIBLE
 
So are you telling me if something significant happens to you, you won't have transient symptoms that might affect you at work? Lets say your husband wants a divorce; wouldn't you take time off to resolve this? VA gives 10 to 30% in that scenario. If you don't like it go complain to the congress and veteran organizations. I didn't make up the rule

However, you wouldn't be too quick on downgrading the rating of a woman who was raped in service but recovered almost fully. That would be HORRIBLE
dude, you just don't get it...your first example is of the unknown...you know you have PTSD and by definition, it can flare at anytime...its not an unknown...
and bringing up a woman raped...come on now you are just trying to be dramatic...

I am not saying that you can't be service connected for any and all of these things...BUT then you need to disclose it to the medical board if its significant enough that you get a CHECK for it...you can't have PTSD for claiming a check and then conveniently not have PTSD for the medical boards...you gotta pick one...and accept the consequences of your choice.
 
A woman being raped in the service sounds like a set up for possible service connected PTSD, but hey, what do I know (not every woman raped will develop PTSD, not my point)

It's funny because I know more than one woman raped during their time in the healthcare field, and let's just say the ones who looked for support within the power structure of healthcare vs the ones who chose to suffer in silence.....

Thanks for the snapshot of the paperwork @rokshana

I guess some are just lucky some states aren't so invasive in their questioning

I still recommend getting an attorney to help fill that paperwork out as vaguely as possible

As pointed out in this thread, being dishonest will bring you the trouble of the board, the hospital, and medmal

What's hilarious is full disclosure also nets you all of the same, only right up front day 1 and already under the microscope with a negative halo effect

So my advice stands to get an attorney so you can honestly disclose the bare minimum and have everything in place for a defense to begin with

Get to know all the secrets now for getting mental health treated without your colleagues crucifying you

We are a field where the bottom line is hide hide hide weakness unless you might be caught and crucified for it, in that case full disclosure so your crucifixion can be all the more speedy
 
dude, you just don't get it...your first example is of the unknown...you know you have PTSD and by definition, it can flare at anytime...its not an unknown...
and bringing up a woman raped...come on now you are just trying to be dramatic...

I am not saying that you can't be service connected for any and all of these things...BUT then you need to disclose it to the medical board if its significant enough that you get a CHECK for it...you can't have PTSD for claiming a check and then conveniently not have PTSD for the medical boards...you gotta pick one...and accept the consequences of your choice.

I hate to say it, but to some extent Rokshana is right.

If you can report to any and all that your PTSD is under total wraps despite the check, like same story to the VA too, depending on the wording of paperwork you might not have to mention it, but with certain diagnoses and the way things are worded you might be better off mentioning it off the bat

My advice applies to everyone as far as being vague and getting an attorney and documenting stuff, but more specifically you have to look at what you're signing and what you can honestly defend. You just can't put down anything untrue.

Leave blank questions to which they are not entitled to answers, never give an untrue answer in lieu of that. If they come at for you not filling it in, be prepared to defend why and have an attorney do it if your privacy means that much.

It's hard. When you have any mental health issues past or present, whether you disclose or not, it always hurts you more than it should.
 
First of all, there is no negative CONSEQUENCE... I was just gauging what would be a downside to revealing a mental health diagnosis. I already spoke to most hospitals and their credentialing departments, and they assured me that they cannot ask anyone for any direct diagnosis or treatment. Doing so would violate ADA and would make them in a position to be liable. They can only ask if one has a substance abuse issue or any medical conditions that need to be revealed. I don't have to reveal anything. However, I would have to reveal what I am rated if I work for the VA

Second, I was rated just as I got out of the military. I told them the symptoms that I had at that time. It is common for people to be going through a lot of emotional stuff before ETSing.

Third, I have been too busy to go to any VA psych or medical appointments.Frankly, I havent. So, your accusation that some people waste appointments that could have gone to other vets is totally ridiculous. For your info there is a vet with a 90% mental health disability who is currently attending a DO school right now. He even fought for 3 months to get VR&E to get all his school paid for. He did it all on his own with 90%. Would you say he is impaired? I am not sure what he is going through, but because of some messed up thing that his chain of command did too him - it was blatant bullying and harassment and threat which were clearly revealed in emails - he is being compensated for it.

Also, most women that are sexually assaulted automatically gets 50% and above, regardless how much they recover. I think they DESERVE that much compensation and more for what they went through. Should they get punished and ratings taken away once they recover? I dare you say that to anyone associated with the military and you would be banned from commissioning due to a very sensitive and political nature of it.

Moreover I know at least two former master sergeants and sergeant majors rated at 70% and up working at the VA as GS12. They rightfully sought compensation for every injury that occurred in active duty and got their ratings.

Oh, here is another one for you. This one guy broke his ankle during the 2nd week of basic, he got a 30% rating medical discharge with post-911 GI BILL at 100%. Whether you like it or not, rules are rules. If you're not happy about it, go do something to change the law.

Having said all that, the VA usually low balls and screws most veterans. They try to delay and reject valid claims, destroy evidences; sometimes, people have to take them to court to win appeals. Some get disheartened and go even more crazy. People like you are probably a big reason. I hope you can stop being a cause of trouble. I know many who were never given proper assistance and booted. Things just got better recently thanks to the media exposing in-competencies and deceptions going on

Once again, I haven't seen any therapist or psych for over 4 years. I am pretty sure I might get called for re-grading soon. At that time, I plan to be honest. My guess is that my rating will drop to 10% but it is okay.

Do the world a favor and lose the entitlement attitude. It will do you much better in the long run. Like I said if you don't feel you are at the 50% level of functioning for PTSD then be honest and contact the VARO and ask for a re-evaluation.

Again we are talking about you not others. I could rebuff your stories with plenty of others of blatant fraud by veterans.

No consequences? You're the one who was bellyaching in the mil med forums about not being able to do the health scholarship because of your PTSD rating. You're the typical person that most people at the VA can't stand. You're happy to take the check and then bash the VA, then when your rating causes you any difficulties in securing employment or other facets of your life you cry foul. I'll say it again you can't have your cake and eat it too.

As others have said you've obviously made your mind up that you no longer have a problem, but are more than happy to keep taking the money. To me that makes you pretty low.
 
If you haven't had the opportunity to see what happens when a hospital (and/or group of physicians) decides that they don't want to work with you (or even that they don't like you)....then you have no idea.

Best of luck to OP.
 
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