Kevin Troudeu and his book

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How do you all feel about Kevin Troudeu and his book "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about?

 

[Dies Irae]

Kevin Trudeau is a scam artist. Do some reseach on him, and you'll see that he has a personal vendetta with the FDA, because they shut down his miracle herbal supplements scam. He claims that he knows the cure to every imaginable disease, including cancer, AIDS, ADHD, MS, and Acid Reflux.

I mean...come on... 🙄 If there really were an "all natural" cure for cancer and AIDS, don't you think someone would have claimed it and won the Nobel Prize by now?

 

[Cowboy DO]

This man is such a fraud. He b!tches about the FDA and the pharm industry saying they want to keep you sick to make more money then in the same breath he says "buy my book for only 30 dollars". He is one of the few people in the world i truely hate. Just hearing his name makes me want to punch something.

 

[Dies Irae]

This man is such a fraud. He b!tches about the FDA and the pharm industry saying they want to keep you sick to make more money then in the same breath he says "buy my book for only 30 dollars". He is one of the few people in the world i truely hate. Just hearing his name makes me want to punch something.

What pisses me off about this jackass the most is how absurd and completely uneducated his claims are: curing cancer by making "the body less acidic?" That kind of BS is an insult to my intelligence! This guy preys on ignorance and propensity to believe in government conspiracy theory. The kind of people who would take this pissant social leech seriously are the same kind of people who believe that they were abducted by UFOs.

Plus, does this jackass really look like a consumer health advocate?

 

[adennis]

I'm not saying that I agree with him.. or that I've read his book.. the only reason that I have a CLUE who this guy is, is that I saw him doing an infomercial on tv when I was visiting the St. Louis area a couple weeks ago..

There is some merit to the natural cure comments though... there are some lesser known theories that the body's pH contributes to its health. You might want to check it out....

If you've had any experience with coping with illness that there is no medicinal cure/treatment for then you'll also know that there is little research done in those fields.. mostly because no pharmaceutical companies will pay for it (because they won't get any gain)...

I won't go into the conspiracy theory aspect of it all... but I think it may have some merit as well...you never know...

 

[DireWolf]

Tom Cruise knows more medicine than this guy.

 

[jonb12997]

plugged in his name on google... here's what pops up

"Kevin Trudeau Banned from Infomercials

Trudeau Settles Claims in Connection with Coral Calcium Supreme and Biotape"

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm

Thought you'd all find that interesting... I emailed the WB/UPN station here in Maine and asked them to stop showing his infomercials (it's summer and I have nothing better to do than watch daytime TV), don't know if it worked or not yet, we'll have to wait and see...

 

[gwynnetn]

Though I hate to stick my neck out here, I have a story about my grandfather. About 2 years ago he was diagnosed with advance stage prostate cancer. The oncologist said there was little they could do for him because the cancer was fairly well developed in addition my grandfather suffers from severe Alzheimer’s disease. My family was told to take him home and make him comfortable; at most he had 6 months to live. Of course we sought a second opinion; we were not ready to give up on old grandpa yet. He still talked well, for the most part took care of himself the best an 89 year old man can with minimal assistance. My aunt (his youngest child) whom is really into alternative medicines (herbal, acupuncture, chiropractic ect) immediately moved in with him. She changed his entire diet to a vegetarian with minimal fish products (some things the old man will not give up), major amounts of various herbals (I need to find out what she gave him), in addition she slowly weaned him off of his various pharmaceuticals for blood pressure, acid reflux ect. His M.D. had prescribed him over the years. Within 6 months he was much more alert, remembering things extremely well and his cancer was in remission. 2 years later he is still cancer free and living a much better lifestyle. Maybe there was more but my aunt swears by alternative medicine and she is very excited that I chose a D.O. program. She hopes I will use OMM in my future practice and study as much herbal alternative therapy I can, whether I will or not who knows. So just because a cure is NOT in the pharmaceuticals black book does not mean it is not just as beneficial.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Dies Irae]

There is some merit to the natural cure comments though... there are some lesser known theories that the body's pH contributes to its health. You might want to check it out....

If you've had any experience with coping with illness that there is no medicinal cure/treatment for then you'll also know that there is little research done in those fields.. mostly because no pharmaceutical companies will pay for it (because they won't get any gain)...

I won't go into the conspiracy theory aspect of it all... but I think it may have some merit as well...you never know...

There are no legitimate studies that show that "if a person has high pH, he CANNOT get cancer." This is just about word-for-word what Trudeau says in his infomercial. There are also "lesser known theories" that the human race was created by extraterrestrials.

There is a difference between helping terminally ill people cope with illness and ripping them off. How can you say that pharm companies will get "no gain" from research into treatments for terminal illness? People who run the pham companies are also human beings, and also have sick friends and relatives. Drug companies do plenty of irresponsible things, but that is an extreme claim to make.

Basing your claims on "...you never know..." should be left tio the discipline of philosophy, not science.

 

[housecleaning]

What pisses me off about this jackass the most is how absurd and completely uneducated his claims are: curing cancer by making "the body less acidic?" That kind of BS is an insult to my intelligence!

it kinda reminds me of that omm/craniosacral(sp?) crap the osteopaths push. no?

 

[Dies Irae]

it kinda reminds me of that omm/craniosacral(sp?) crap the osteopaths push. no?

If you're not posting this for the purpose of trolling, then yes, I agree with you on the cranial, but not OMM.

 

[housecleaning]

If you're not posting this for the purpose of trolling, then yes, I agree with you on the cranial, but not OMM.

but if i am "trolling" then cranial is a-ok? typical osteopath response/logic.

 

[Dies Irae]

but if i am "trolling" then cranial is a-ok? typical osteopath response/logic.

Cranial is not ok, but judging by your other posting history, you are more interested in bashing osteopathic medicine than defending responsible scientific practice, which is why I do not see a need to defend my profession against you.

 

[espbeliever]

Cranial is not ok, but judging by your other posting history, you are more interested in bashing osteopathic medicine than defending responsible scientific practice, which is why I do not see a need to defend my profession against you.

dies, how can u say that cs is not ok? ur not even in school yet! neither am i, so i refuse to decide one way or another on it yet until i can learn more and experience it.

there is soooooo much to the human body that there are no studies on that we already know about, and there are even more studies yet to be done that we know nothing about. saying there is no study to prove/disprove is pointless. to use it to argue against alternative treatments is wrong. like the early church saying the sun revolves around the earth or something.

wait to learn more about things before you make decisions..., and even more so, before you advise others with your "decisions"... i have personally experienced some of the "alternative" treatments and actions and i can say there is definitely yet more to learn that they are not KNOWLEDGABLE enough to teach us...

 

[Dies Irae]

dies, how can u say that cs is not ok? ur not even in school yet! neither am i, so i refuse to decide one way or another on it yet until i can learn more and experience it.

there is soooooo much to the human body that there are no studies on that we already know about, and there are even more studies yet to be done that we know nothing about. saying there is no study to prove/disprove is pointless. to use it to argue against alternative treatments is wrong. like the early church saying the sun revolves around the earth or something.

wait to learn more about things before you make decisions..., and even more so, before you advise others with your "decisions"... i have personally experienced some of the "alternative" treatments and actions and i can say there is definitely yet more to learn that they are not KNOWLEDGABLE enough to teach us...

You misunderstand why I said it. I was responding to this insecure troll's wisecrack. How am I "advising others" for or against alternative medicine by stating my personal opinion? I will have to learn cranial when I got to med school, just like everyone else here, and I do plan to judge for myself whether or not it is valid. But when you look into cranialsacral therapy, there seems to be valid evidence against it vs. a few anecdotal cases for it. If there were enough research backing it up, I would definitely have a better opinion of it. Regardless, it is irresponsible to overstate any treatment's scope and application, which seems to be the real problem with some of the sketchy practitioners out there, and that is the reason I am against it. I am not saying cranial therapy is completely useless, but if someone is going to make claims for the benefits of a certain procedure, he should make every effort to back it up with science rather than patients' testimonies.

If you believe in faith-based healing(by “faith-based,” I do not mean religion), then good for you, but you should respect the fact that many of us don’t. As you said, there is “soooooo” much about the human body that we don’t know, but would you rather base your practice on things you do know or things you don’t know?

I never condemned alternative medicine, as you assumed I did. Alternative medicine is a very broad term, which can apply to both treatments that are valid but less popular as well as utter BS, like the "miracle cure biotape" Kevin Trudeau has been selling, and you have to realize that for every under-acknowledged alternative treatment that could have great benefit, there are thousands upon thousands of BS theories and scams. The only way to tell the difference is with rigorous scientific testing and, as objectively as possible, accepting the scrutiny of other scientists.

 

[Dies Irae]

dies, how can u say that cs is not ok? ur not even in school yet! neither am i, so i refuse to decide one way or another on it yet until i can learn more and experience it.

there is soooooo much to the human body that there are no studies on that we already know about, and there are even more studies yet to be done that we know nothing about. saying there is no study to prove/disprove is pointless. to use it to argue against alternative treatments is wrong. like the early church saying the sun revolves around the earth or something.

wait to learn more about things before you make decisions..., and even more so, before you advise others with your "decisions"... i have personally experienced some of the "alternative" treatments and actions and i can say there is definitely yet more to learn that they are not KNOWLEDGABLE enough to teach us...

You misunderstand why I said it. Primarily, I was responding to this insecure troller's wisecrack. How am I "advising others" for or against alternative medicine by stating my personal opinion? I will have to learn cranial when I got to med school, just like everyone else here, and I do plan to judge for myself whether or not it is valid. But when you look into cranialsacral therapy, there seems to be valid evidence against it vs. a few andectodotal cases for it. If there were enough research backing it up, I would definately have a better opinion of it. Regardless, it is irresponsible to overstate any treatment's scope and application, which seems to be the real problem with some of the sketchy practitioners out there, and that is the reason I am against it. I am not saying cranial therapy is completely useless, but if someone is going to make claims for the benefits of a certain procedure, he should make every effort to back it up with science rather than patients' testamonies.

If you believe in faith-based healing, then good for you, but you should respect the fact that many of us dont. I never condemned alternative medicine, as you assumed I did. Alternative medicine is a very broad term, which can apply to both treatments that are valid but less popular as well as utter BS, like the "miracle cure biotape" Kevin Trudeau has been selling, and you have to realize that for every underacknowledged alternative treament that could have great benefit, there are thousands upon thousands of BS theories and scams. The only way to tell the difference is with rigorous scientific testing and, as objectively as possible, accpeting the scrutiny of other scientists.

 

[espbeliever]

You misunderstand why I said it. Primarily, I was responding to this insecure troller's wisecrack. How am I "advising others" for or against alternative medicine by stating my personal opinion? I will have to learn cranial when I got to med school, just like everyone else here, and I do plan to judge for myself whether or not it is valid. But when you look into cranialsacral therapy, there seems to be valid evidence against it vs. a few andectodotal cases for it. If there were enough research backing it up, I would definately have a better opinion of it. Regardless, it is irresponsible to overstate any treatment's scope and application, which seems to be the real problem with some of the sketchy practitioners out there, and that is the reason I am against it. I am not saying cranial therapy is completely useless, but if someone is going to make claims for the benefits of a certain procedure, he should make every effort to back it up with science rather than patients' testamonies.

If you believe in faith-based healing, then good for you, but you should respect the fact that many of us dont. I never condemned alternative medicine, as you assumed I did. Alternative medicine is a very broad term, which can apply to both treatments that are valid but less popular as well as utter BS, like the "miracle cure biotape" Kevin Trudeau has been selling, and you have to realize that for every underacknowledged alternative treament that could have great benefit, there are thousands upon thousands of BS theories and scams. The only way to tell the difference is with rigorous scientific testing and, as objectively as possible, accpeting the scrutiny of other scientists.

no i am not a follower of "faith based" healings as they call it. i do believe in prayer, and Jesus as my Savior, and i believe God can/will fix things as GOD sees fit. in the faith based cult, they see it as they no longer ask God for something, but basically see God as their waiter and they give their orders...

i do understand better what you meant now, sorry for jumping the gun.

i consider myself to be for the most part pretty realistic. if i see something that works and amazes me, i try to learn as much as i can about it. it is some of these odd things that most of western medicine has either forgotten about or will not even talk about for whatever reason. i think that is wrong... but thats just me. i am not going to suggest that a treatment may be the correct course of action for anything unless there is documented evidence in some fashion, yet i would like to learn more about other things that are not documented as i think there is still great potential...

oh well....

ive read some on cranial, some of it seems like it has a possibility of doing good, while probablly most is not so good. but i think for the most part, either way, you have inconclusive evidence. so i think i want to learn more, experience it, etc... thas just me though...

have a great day.

 

[Dies Irae]

no i am not a follower of "faith based" healings as they call it. i do believe in prayer, and Jesus as my Savior, and i believe God can/will fix things as GOD sees fit. in the faith based cult, they see it as they no longer ask God for something, but basically see God as their waiter and they give their orders...

i do understand better what you meant now, sorry for jumping the gun.

i consider myself to be for the most part pretty realistic. if i see something that works and amazes me, i try to learn as much as i can about it. it is some of these odd things that most of western medicine has either forgotten about or will not even talk about for whatever reason. i think that is wrong... but thats just me. i am not going to suggest that a treatment may be the correct course of action for anything unless there is documented evidence in some fashion, yet i would like to learn more about other things that are not documented as i think there is still great potential...

oh well....

ive read some on cranial, some of it seems like it has a possibility of doing good, while probablly most is not so good. but i think for the most part, either way, you have inconclusive evidence. so i think i want to learn more, experience it, etc... thas just me though...

have a great day.

The people in those cults are an extreme case: some of them still refuse to take vaccines and believe that all disease is physical manifestation of immorality or acts against God, and to cure disease means only to cleanse yourself of sin. "Faith-based" can also mean belief in a system of treatment due to the fact that it has been practiced for hundreds of years and seems to work. Some of these people will say, "If it works, why bother proving it with science?" which seems to be a prevalent attitude in the history of osteopathy that contemporary DOs are trying hard to cast off. If a treatment works, then it's all the more reason to prove its validity through the scientific method, because progress is understanding the mechanism through which it works, and it is necessary to make a treatment credible. I dont need to have a single class of med school nor one minute of clinical experience to understand why many DOs and future DOs desparage the AOA's adherence to orthodoxy over science. I mean, we are going to devote a very large percentage of our OMM studies to cranial therapy, whereas very few of us will actually use it in our practice.

I agree with you on Western medicine's oversight of many alternative treatments and the wealth of possibilities out there, but much of it parallels social attitudes and consumerism.

 

[beano]

I'm not saying that I agree with him.. or that I've read his book.. the only reason that I have a CLUE who this guy is, is that I saw him doing an infomercial on tv when I was visiting the St. Louis area a couple weeks ago..

There is some merit to the natural cure comments though... there are some lesser known theories that the body's pH contributes to its health. You might want to check it out....

If you've had any experience with coping with illness that there is no medicinal cure/treatment for then you'll also know that there is little research done in those fields.. mostly because no pharmaceutical companies will pay for it (because they won't get any gain)...

I won't go into the conspiracy theory aspect of it all... but I think it may have some merit as well...you never know...

I agree with you 100%. It is easy to forget that western medicine IS the new kid on the block. Just because our training does not always include alternative treatments does not mean we should bash those we have not yet studied for ourselves. I have read a few pages out of the book "Natural cures they don't want you to know about" and it presents some information that seems logical and worthwhile (such as increasing omega-3 fatty acid intake in the diet reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease, scientific literature does back this up). However this guy also presents some information that is misleading and focuses on a "us vs. them" type of reasoning. Big pharmaceutical companies do influence when and what physicians prescribe. I agree...It should be a crime.... Does the Pharmaceutical industry have influential ties with the CDC? Absolutely! I checked for myself. Do pharmaceutial drugs both kill people and save lives? You bet! My point is we should all have open minds despite what our "training" or "program" dictates. As if I need to say it... we should investigate a theory before we draw a conclusion because without doing so we could unknowingly fail to find a cure. Arrogance can kill. he steps down from the soapbox...

-B

 

[Dies Irae]

I agree with you 100%. It is easy to forget that western medicine IS the new kid on the block. Just because our training does not always include alternative treatments does not mean we should bash those we have not yet studied for ourselves. I have read a few pages out of the book "Natural cures they don't want you to know about" and it presents some information that seems logical and worthwhile (such as increasing omega-3 fatty acid intake in the diet reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease, scientific literature does back this up). However this guy also presents some information that is misleading and focuses on a "us vs. them" type of reasoning. Big pharmaceutical companies do influence when and what physicians prescribe. I agree...It should be a crime.... Does the Pharmaceutical industry have influential ties with the CDC? Absolutely! I checked for myself. Do pharmaceutial drugs both kill people and save lives? You bet! My point is we should all have open minds despite what our "training" or "program" dictates. As if I need to say it... we should investigate a theory before we draw a conclusion because without doing so we could unknowingly fail to find a cure. Arrogance can kill. he steps down from the soapbox...

-B

I would rather trust the greediest most socially irresponsible drug campany than this con-artist. I thumbed through the book too at the local bookstore, and there is nothing he says about alternative medicine that you can't get elsewhere at more reputable sources. His book has a very clear agenda but no significant information on any of these "natural cures" that the FDA does not want us to know about.

http://www.thinkbling.com/detail.php?ASIN=0975599518

 

[beano]

I would rather trust the greediest most socially irresponsible drug campany than this con-artist. I thumbed through the book too at the local bookstore, and there is nothing he says about alternative medicine that you can't get elsewhere at more reputable sources. His book has a very clear agenda but no significant information on any of these "natural cures" that the FDA does not want us to know about.

http://www.thinkbling.com/detail.php?ASIN=0975599518

Indeed a con-artist he is. I wonder how many people bought his book of propaganda?

-B

 

[gwynnetn]

Just recieved this weeks copy of Newsweek "the world of Karl Rove", and on Page 45 is an ad for Kevin Trudeau Natural Cures they dont want you to know about. Someone needs to tell Newsweek about the lawsuit as well.

 

[JohnnyOU]

How do you all feel about Kevin Troudeu and his book "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about?

I'd rather buy that book "Shemale humpers: The stuff Kevin Troudeu doesn't want you to know about"

 

[docslytherin]

i was in barnes and noble the other day and couldn't help looking at this. if you look at the chapter on specific diseases and their cures, you'll notice that he blames over 50% (an estimate) on candida infections... i couldn't help but laugh at some of his "treatments". there is also a disclaimer at the beginning in which he bitterly writes that you should talk to a doctor before doing anything in the book