Kieser's rph strike

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He's also heavily in student loan debt. Besides if a guy is willing to start a sham business just for the tax deduction then he's pretty much wiling to do anything.
 
N974 said:
Almost certainly, and possibly other places too IF they were to find out. I'm not sure how small a world pharmacy is. This shouldn't be the deterrent however. The deterrent should be integrity, the golden rule, and doing what is right when nobody is watching. These striking pharmacists are putting their jobs on the line to secure wages and benefits that ALL pharmacists in CA are benefiting from. All theft isn't defined by laws. Interesting how he scabbed once, and is willing to do it again, apparently without much thought, all for some extra cash. I've known several scabs over my career and I have to say they all have several traits in common, I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could spit, and their personal lives were always in chaos.
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jesus dude, they're pharmacists, not martyrs

He's also heavily in student loan debt. Besides if a guy is willing to start a sham business just for the tax deduction then he's pretty much wiling to do anything.
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oh if only you knew...lol
 
pezdispenser said:
So do you think you would be blacklisted from ever getting hired at Kaiser if you scabbed?...
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This is my not caring face. Besides, you wouldn't want someone like me working for cookie-cutterville anyway. heheheh
 
I do promise to write about the whole thing and post on here... I owe you all that much entertainment at least.

I'm about 75% sure there won't be a strike though, I'm in it for the $500 to pee in a cup and watch some kaiser powerpoint that i just received (on Epic verification...good thing I don't actually need to pay attention).

If I actually get called down, I have some baseball tickets to sell and stuff to rearrange.
 
confettiflyer said:
I do promise to write about the whole thing and post on here... I owe you all that much entertainment at least.

I'm about 75% sure there won't be a strike though, I'm in it for the $500 to pee in a cup and watch some kaiser powerpoint that i just received (on Epic verification...good thing I don't actually need to pay attention).

If I actually get called down, I have some baseball tickets to sell and stuff to rearrange.
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And some beers to drink with me.
 
I would never cross the line. It's not my business and I am not going to be selfish and make money off others fights. I hope they record any scabs who do cross the line and people in the future can decide if they want to hire them. In the future a history as a scab would probably be a non-starter for being employed at any unionized workplace.
 
a runner said:
To call someone a "scab" in seriousness is quite judgmental and self-righteous. Some people are underemployed or unemployed and those few weeks or months can help someone to provide for their family. This is not the 1800's. It's easy when you have a great job like Kaiser to judge someone who does not and is taking advantage of an opportunity. This generation sees these things differently than the past few.
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And that's why 'this generation' won't have any pension, barely any healthcare, and low wages for the foreseeable future. At a certain point you have to take a stand against the owners and try to win some of the fruits of your labor back. Also, in this case the scabs probably will already have other jobs and are doing this out of greed.
 
confettiflyer said:
I do promise to write about the whole thing and post on here... I owe you all that much entertainment at least.

I'm about 75% sure there won't be a strike though, I'm in it for the $500 to pee in a cup and watch some kaiser powerpoint that i just received (on Epic verification...good thing I don't actually need to pay attention).

If I actually get called down, I have some baseball tickets to sell and stuff to rearrange.
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Just by signing up you are already giving them leverage in the negotiation.
 
Gombrich12 said:
And that's why 'this generation' won't have any pension, barely any healthcare, and low wages for the foreseeable future.
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Lol pensions and social security, we already operate under the assumption that those won't be around/don't exist anymore except for an elite/vocal few. I'd rather save/invest on my own rather than trust a large corporation with my golden years.

Gombrich12 said:
In the future a history as a scab would probably be a non-starter for being employed at any unionized workplace.
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Good thing there really aren't many unionized workplaces left...Kaiser is an aberration. Every unionized workplace I've heard about, all I hear is a lot of whining and petty arguments, and I get taxed by some group involuntarily who supposedly "fights" for me? Puhleeeez, I already get enough of my income jacked from the government.
 
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BMBiology said:
Just by signing up you are already giving them leverage in the negotiation.
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IDGAF.

I think most people in this thread are mischaracterizing this stupid strike. These aren't poor factory workers barely able to make ends meet in low end manufacturing with abusive conditions, these are highly paid professionals who made a choice that their current high level of compensation just didn't suit them because other bargaining units twisted someone's balls and kept their pensions 3 years ago. Boohoo.

It's childish that they're potentially disrupting patient care just to try to get their way, it's like a 3 year old holding their breath cuz their parents won't give them something. If you don't want what Kaiser is offering, maybe you should go find another job? Fancy that. My friends that work OP Kaiser facilities tell me about union-protected laziness all the time. It's great if you're 60 and eyeing the door for retirement, not so much if you're younger and actually making an effort to do better.

The growing consensus in liberal/left California is that unions are the greedy ones. The last strike the state had (Bay Area Rapid Transit; October 2013), support for management was outpacing union support 2:1 (KPIX/Survey USA, August 2013). Nationwide, you saw a drop of 500,000 in union membership, with approval ratings at ~51% (Pew, 2013). This drop in membership has been continuous since 1983.

What we forget is that someone has to take care of these patients that are being left behind. Someone has to keep vital medications flowing. I'll be glad to be that somebody for $150/hr.
 
confettiflyer said:
When the grocery baggers went on strike in so cal back in ~2004, I came in as a broke college student and worked for $$$$. Crossed the picket line, not a big deal.
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What about those low wage grocery workers? They didn't stop you from taking advantage of the situation so stop trying to justify your opportunistic ways.
 
BMBiology said:
What about those low wage grocery workers? They didn't stop you from taking advantage of the situation so stop trying to justify your opportunistic ways.
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Lol, they were't exactly low wage. My thoughts on unions are a little more nuanced now than they were 10 years ago.
 
confettiflyer said:
These aren't poor factory workers barely able to make ends meet in low end manufacturing with abusive conditions, these are highly paid professionals who made a choice that their current high level of compensation just didn't suit them because other bargaining units twisted someone's balls and kept their pensions 3 years ago. Boohoo.
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This! I bleed blue, but I also believe in personal accountability.

This reminds me of the Major League Baseball players strike of 1994-5 that led to the cancellation of the World Series. The MLB union walked, which turned into a lockout when the owners planned to start the 1995 season with career minor leaguers who wouldn't have made it out of AA ball under normal circumstances. It took a court-ordered injunction (from future SCOTUS justice Sonia Sotomayor) to prevent the replacement players from taking the field. However, healthcare is not baseball...and I do not see any courts stopping confetti or njac if patient access to care would be compromised by a strike.

One thing that would be the same: everyone loses in the court of public opinion.
 
Momus said:
Their pharmacists get 79/hr minimum per union and they are complaining.
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But, but they don't also get a fat pension! Oh nooooz, now terrible and outrageous!

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xiphoid2010 said:
But, but they don't also get a fat pension! Oh nooooz, now terrible and outrageous!
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LOL, I love this screenshot, hahahaha.

I do view pensions the way I view vinyl records. Sure, they have better quality to them (some would argue), but it's this nice little novelty that a small minority of people have. If your record player breaks, goodluck trying to find a new one that is exactly like your old one. It harkens back to a day when people stayed at their employers for...decades. How quaint.

But then you come back to reality and find that a pension is utterly useless for most people in today's job environment. It's anti-entrepreneurial, anti-mobility, and anti-ownership. It's not compatible with at-will employment. I like getting my tax advantaged defined-contribution benefit and taking it with me wherever I go. I'm not penalized with ZERO retirement dollars after leaving a workplace w/ a defined benefit program. I can work multiple places, as much or as little as I want...I don't have to rely on ONE corporation for my retirement and healthcare. I can Obamacare my way through consulting, per-diem work, etc...

I think younger people who like/fight for pensions are either short sighted or lazy.
 
confettiflyer said:
LOL, I love this screenshot, hahahaha.

I do view pensions the way I view vinyl records. Sure, they have better quality to them (some would argue), but it's this nice little novelty that a small minority of people have. If your record player breaks, goodluck trying to find a new one that is exactly like your old one. It harkens back to a day when people stayed at their employers for...decades. How quaint.

But then you come back to reality and find that a pension is utterly useless for most people in today's job environment. It's anti-entrepreneurial, anti-mobility, and anti-ownership. It's not compatible with at-will employment. I like getting my tax advantaged defined-contribution benefit and taking it with me wherever I go. I'm not penalized with ZERO retirement dollars after leaving a workplace w/ a defined benefit program. I can work multiple places, as much or as little as I want...I don't have to rely on ONE corporation for my retirement and healthcare. I can Obamacare my way through consulting, per-diem work, etc...

I think younger people who like/fight for pensions are either short sighted or lazy.
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My current hospital offers a pension after 5 years. I'm almost to 3...
 
confettiflyer said:
LOL, I love this screenshot, hahahaha.

I do view pensions the way I view vinyl records. Sure, they have better quality to them (some would argue), but it's this nice little novelty that a small minority of people have. If your record player breaks, goodluck trying to find a new one that is exactly like your old one. It harkens back to a day when people stayed at their employers for...decades. How quaint.

But then you come back to reality and find that a pension is utterly useless for most people in today's job environment. It's anti-entrepreneurial, anti-mobility, and anti-ownership. It's not compatible with at-will employment. I like getting my tax advantaged defined-contribution benefit and taking it with me wherever I go. I'm not penalized with ZERO retirement dollars after leaving a workplace w/ a defined benefit program. I can work multiple places, as much or as little as I want...I don't have to rely on ONE corporation for my retirement and healthcare. I can Obamacare my way through consulting, per-diem work, etc...

I think younger people who like/fight for pensions are either short sighted or lazy.
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why do you care that other pharmacists are fighting to reserve their pension? Kaiser is not a public entity. This business made billions in profit every year. If it can afford to give their nurses a pension then why not their pharmacists?
 
Looks like they have reached a tentative deal. Not only the full time pharmacists benefited but also the part-time and per diem pharmacists.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/05/29/44437/pharmacists-and-kaiser-reach-tentative-agreement-a/

The Guild, which represents more than 1,400 Kaiser pharmacists in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Kern, Ventura and San Diego counties, cited several "key" provisions in the tentative deal:

Restoration of defined benefit pension benefits for some (mostly more senior) pharmacists who lost that coverage as a result of negotiations in 2011.

Increases in defined contribution plan contribution rates for other pharmacists, largely targeted at those pharmacists with 15 or more years of service.

Annual bonuses and a guarantee of a minimum of 32 hours per two week pay period for Guild-represented part time pharmacists.

Conversion of retiree health care from a fully employer-paid group plan to a subsidy and health retirement account to cover a portion of retirees' health care costs.

Pay increases for so-called per diem pharmacists.
 
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It is not just kaiser. It is the power of collective bargaining and sticking together.
 
BMBiology said:
why do you care that other pharmacists are fighting to reserve their pension? Kaiser is not a public entity.
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Cuz it's SDN and I like running my mouth on here with my opinion. That's the point of this place, isn't it?

This business made billions in profit every year. If it can afford to give their nurses a pension then why not their pharmacists?
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Because they negotiated higher pay several years ago. The union wanted a mulligan.
 
Confettiflyer: I applaud you for recording this for the rest of us. Whether or not I agree with your actions is a moot point, but I am interested in your experiences and thank you for sharing them with us.
 
B Wong said:
Confettiflyer: I applaud you for recording this for the rest of us. Whether or not I agree with your actions is a moot point, but I am interested in your experiences and thank you for sharing them with us.
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your opinion), the strike has been called off. No relief workers needed. This was the likely outcome anyway.

I got so far as signing a bunch of papers, submitting a background check, and getting a lab slip for a urine tox screen. There was also an Epic system training presentation, but I'm already familiar with it so i just breezed through it.
 
confettiflyer said:
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your opinion), the strike has been called off. No relief workers needed. This was the likely outcome anyway.

I got so far as signing a bunch of papers, submitting a background check, and getting a lab slip for a urine tox screen. There was also an Epic system training presentation, but I'm already familiar with it so i just breezed through it.
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Will the agency pay you 500$ for signing in? I remember the email that I got said they will pay 500 if the strike called off.
 
3boooda said:
Will the agency pay you 500$ for signing in? I remember the email that I got said they will pay 500 if the strike called off.
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I reread it, I had to have completed credentialing and accepted an assignment (which would have happened probably Saturday or Sunday). So the $500 was for a last minute cancellation of a strike, whereas they came to an agreement on Thursday.
 
I reread it, I had to have completed credentialing and accepted an assignment (which would have happened probably Saturday or Sunday). So the $500 was for a last minute cancellation of a strike, whereas they came to an agreement on Thursday.[/QUOTE]
Ok... good luck.
 
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