Anyone here have stories of research lab drama? How common is it to have arguments with others in the lab? Did I jeopardize my LOR by getting into several verbal arguments with my PI?
We once had a young lady in the lab from Harvard doing a UG summer research project. She burst into tears when I accidentally took her ice bucket. Mind you, the only thing in it was ice. I am NOT making this up!
Am I a bad person because I find that hilarious?
Am I a bad person because I find that hilarious?
I've noticed that women in the lab tend to be more vicious to each other...an effect I call "estrogen poisoning".
Wow...you spout this sexist BS and you're supposed to be an adcom?
I truly can't wait till you rotate on OB-Gyn and see if you feel the same way. Just bc an observation is true, doesn't make one a bigot.
nope. certain ways people act definitely depends on gender. you're upset because his "generalization" is correct most of the time?
Yeah, except people can see how female residents behave and how male residents behave in the exact same environment. Pointing out a correlative observation doesn't make one a "bigot"."Observation"? Are you sure it's not because people with sexist tendencies are quick to think "Oh she's angry/emotional? haha women, am I right?" whereas with men they'd be more likely to actually rationalize why he's upset? How ridiculous, a little respect goes a long way; women and men both act "vicious" at times, it has nothing to do with gender. Generalizing requires the least amount of brain-power, and doing so indeed makes you a bigot.
Wow...you spout this sexist BS and you're supposed to be an adcom?
Good parsing of @Goro's words. Funny how you left out the important part of the quote for context, "vicious to each other".The generalization that women are more vicious most of the time is correct, are you kidding me? Making sexist assumptions is like making racist assumptions, it's harmful, hurtful, and baseless.
Wow people are a little too sensative nowadays! Sooner or later if you observe that a black person is black then you might actually offend someone
Female colleagues have pointed out the same thing to me, so good luck when you take the MCAT's reading comprehension section; you completely missed what I was trying to get across.
Wow...you spout this sexist BS and you're supposed to be an adcom?
To be fair, men are controlled by their hormones too. Testosterone-induced rage is a phrase for a reason.Regardless of your observations (that were likely biased by your preexisting views on women anyway), making the phrase "estrogen poisoning" takes it from a simple observation to straight up sexism. Implying that women's behaviors are controlled by their hormones is the oldest sexist trope in the book.
To be fair, men are controlled by their hormones too. Testosterone-induced rage is a phrase for a reason.
I would say this is confirmation bias. I don't hear "she must be PMSing" as much as I hear, "Don't be a dick, bro," or "he must be up in 'roids." I'm a guy, so I guess I hear male-discriminating phrases more than female ones.And yet I don't hear that logic applied to men anywhere near as much as its applied to women. Men have to have an extreme/violent shift in their behavior for someone to blame it on their hormones. All women have to do is be in a less than cheerful mood for someone to say "she must be PMSing!"
Stop trying to bring the thread back on topic...
Most drama I ever had with a lab was on account of the damn thing's tail. They're like bull whips, they knock everything over and the dog has no idea what it's hitting with it. Do they even have nerves there or what? Like, dude, you just broke my ankle with that wagging, what the hell... They're super bad for laptops, beers, glasses containing just about anything, and things that live on coffee tables in general. If they weren't so friendly and cute, they'd be unforgivable creatures.
Well this is something that's evident in the media too; it's not just from people I know irl. Not to mention how people go on and on about how menopause affects female behavior but rarely acknowledge how decreasing testosterone levels can affect behavior in aging males. This mindset has definitely stunted research in the field.I would say this is confirmation bias. I don't hear "she must be PMSing" as much as I hear, "Don't be a dick, bro," or "he must be up in 'roids." I'm a guy, so I guess I hear male-discriminating phrases more than female ones.
Someone date me.
There's always that one person who gets so mad over such a little comment...
There's always that one person who gets so mad over such a little comment...
I'm wondering whats the best course of action.
Without knowing more, I'd be upset too to be honest. I don't know how hard URA positions are to come by at your university but if I was in your position I would start looking for a lab that uses similar techniques.wtf just happened to my thread. Back to point, my PI assured me on several occasions after I did a summer of grunt work of autoclave, cleaning, storage, and all that for 20+ hours a week and unpaid that I would have my own project this semester. What happened is my PI gave the project to a new undergraduate who just entered in the lab last week.
My reaction =
I'm enrolled in 2 credits for the research so I can't quit and now I'm working under a graduate student who's been in the lab for only a year. The arguments got pretty heated but nothing extreme and I'm wondering whats the best course of action.
If you don't want to be pegged as a "sensitive" or "vicious" female then stop giving off the persona. Letting these "little comments" get to you, like they clearly are right now, doesn't help your argument at all. So far all I've seen is passive-aggressive comments and a lot of hostility over a miniscule remark.
Nope. The incident did lower my respect for Harvard significantly though.
Here's one more story: CH, a grad student in the lab, kept stealing technician JNH's supply of tissue culture media. JHN finally started spiking her media with azide (and kept good media in a differently labelled bottle), and CH's cells started dying. CH stopped borrowing the media after that and made her own.
At another time, JHN hid the scintillation counter racks because she didn't like something CH or I did!
I've noticed that women in the lab tend to be more vicious to each other...an effect I call "estrogen poisoning".
Wow...you spout this sexist BS and you're supposed to be an adcom?
Well this is something that's evident in the media too; it's not just from people I know irl. Not to mention how people go on and on about how menopause affects female behavior but rarely acknowledge how decreasing testosterone levels can affect behavior in aging males. This mindset has definitely stunted research in the field.
To bring the thread back on topic, I've been in an all-female lab for 2 years and have never experienced real drama. One time the other undergrad in my lab used to use my pipette tips when she ran out instead of just getting another box for herself, and once I told her that it was an inconvenience for me (because boxes would disappear from my bench and whatnot) that was that. The most "drama" was when a man from a neighboring lab kept messing with our equipment. Go figure.
I'm being pegged as a sensitive and vicious female simply because I'm a woman who dares to speak up. A gave a clear explanation of why I thought Goro's comment was inappropriate, so I'm not sure what your definition of passive aggression is. My entire argument is that these aren't just "little comments," so I'm also not sure where you thought you were going with that one. Perhaps Goro should send his MCAT verbal good luck vibes to you instead. Anyways, I know my feelings are valid so I don't need another sexist like you to validate them for me. I'll leave timer to his/her post because there's no arguing with people whose views are stuck in the past.
LOL, I see what you did there!
I have not gotten into a "drama" with any lab partners or even classmates since freshman year of high school (maybe as early as middle school).Nope. The incident did lower my respect for Harvard significantly though.
Here's one more story: CH, a grad student in the lab, kept stealing technician JNH's supply of tissue culture media. JHN finally started spiking her media with azide (and kept good media in a differently labelled bottle), and CH's cells started dying. CH stopped borrowing the media after that and made her own.
At another time, JHN hid the scintillation counter racks because she didn't like something CH or I did!
I've noticed that women in the lab tend to be more vicious to each other...an effect I call "estrogen poisoning".
SO TRUE. Joined a lab sophomore year with all women (except 1 guy). I thought everything was going fine (and confirmed with the RA many times), until the end of the semester, when one of the other girls there told me that all the other girls in the lab were **** talking me and that the the RA would "recommend" a "bad" grade to the PI for me. Now, I knew that I would have issues with the RA the moment we met. RA didn't like how PI had allowed me to "join the lab so quickly" and how PI made RA in charge of me, which meant more time "wasted" to "pointlessly" train me). Anyways, the girl (the only angel there) informed me that she was also disgusted at RA's behavior and the lab's endless gossip: all the other women in the lab crap talked the PI 24/7 every time she left the room. Then they would crap talk each other when one of them left the room. In the end, I learned then and there to demand a syllabus or some sort of "coursework" guideline so I don't get screwed over again by ambiguous/subjective grading. Tears were shed, and I actually ended up arguing with the PI at how unfair and how misleading RA was and PI ended up agreeing... 1 month later. BTW, as for the 1 guy in the lab, RA adored him and always gave him free passes. He skipped lab many times, wouldn't stop talking/gossip, and she'd always cover his ass and give him a "glowing" report. Ugh.Nope. The incident did lower my respect for Harvard significantly though.
Here's one more story: CH, a grad student in the lab, kept stealing technician JNH's supply of tissue culture media. JHN finally started spiking her media with azide (and kept good media in a differently labelled bottle), and CH's cells started dying. CH stopped borrowing the media after that and made her own.
At another time, JHN hid the scintillation counter racks because she didn't like something CH or I did!
I've noticed that women in the lab tend to be more vicious to each other...an effect I call "estrogen poisoning".
SO TRUE. Joined a lab sophomore year with all women (except 1 guy). I thought everything was going fine (and confirmed with the RA many times), until the end of the semester, when one of the other girls there told me that all the other girls in the lab were **** talking me and that the the RA would "recommend" a "bad" grade to the PI for me. Now, I knew that I would have issues with the RA the moment we met. RA didn't like how PI had allowed me to "join the lab so quickly" and how PI made RA in charge of me, which meant more time "wasted" to "pointlessly" train me). Anyways, the girl (the only angel there) informed me that she was also disgusted at RA's behavior and the lab's endless gossip: all the other women in the lab crap talked the PI 24/7 every time she left the room. Then they would crap talk each other when one of them left the room. In the end, I learned then and there to demand a syllabus or some sort of "coursework" guideline so I don't get screwed over again by ambiguous/subjective grading. Tears were shed, and I actually ended up arguing with the PI at how unfair and how misleading RA was and PI ended up agreeing... 1 month later. BTW, as for the 1 guy in the lab, RA adored him and always gave him free passes. He skipped lab many times, wouldn't stop talking/gossip, and she'd always cover his ass and give him a "glowing" report. Ugh.
So yes, imo, women are more vicious to each other (I've heard other stories as well). Overall, horrible lab experience and never looked back.
Aye aye aye! No beuno! Still a female, so it's oppressive. Racists jokes at males only or GTFO.I haven't even told y'all about HR, a venomous student in my post-doc lab. A visiting Mexican Scientist and I would call her "La Serpiente".