Lacing a cig in coke powder - smoking cocaine?

[theWUbear]

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The questionnaire for a study I'm doing asks patients "have you ever smoked cocaine".

Today, one patient said, "well, kinda...." and explained that he hadn't smoked cocaine in the traditional sense (crack cocaine with a pipe), but he over a twenty year period was lacing his cigs with cocaine powder. So technically, he is smoking a cigarette laced with cocaine.

For the purposes of the study, would you count this as smoking cocaine?

 

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[Overmjnd]

I came into this thread thinking that it involved "study methods," and I was going to say wow, SDN sunk to a whole new level.

 

[DrYoda]

Yes.

 

[BJJ]

👍

 

[willen101383]

Yes you would have to include that. However, cocaine HCl vaporizes at much higher temps than freebase cocaine...so its hard to gain much from smoking the hydrochloride form of cocaine.

(learned this stuff in my forensics grad program...not from firsthand knowledge lol)

 

[ElChamaco]

Yes you would have to include that. However, cocaine HCl vaporizes at much higher temps than freebase cocaine...so its hard to gain much from smoking the hydrochloride form of cocaine.

(learned this stuff in my forensics grad program...not from firsthand knowledge lol)

This. Poor guy is wasting an expensive drug... I don't actually think its possible to vaporize cocaine HCl at normal lighter/cigarette temperatures? There is a reason that Richard Pryor set himself on fire and later on why crack was invented, after all...

You sure he wasn't crushing crack into his cigarettes?

 

[theWUbear]

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.

You sure he wasn't crushing crack into his cigarettes?

Yeah he said "i was using the powder cocaine" so i guess I'm going to assume it is the rich man's cocaine

 

[theWUbear]

Yes you would have to include that. However, cocaine HCl vaporizes at much higher temps than freebase cocaine...so its hard to gain much from smoking the hydrochloride form of cocaine.

This. Poor guy is wasting an expensive drug... I don't actually think its possible to vaporize cocaine HCl at normal lighter/cigarette temperatures?

So on a side note....I guess you guys are saying you wouldn't get much of a coke rush from doing this?

 

[accidentprone]

On a related note, I interviewed someone for an STD behavioral study who laced their cigs with embalming fluid. She called the concoction a "laser." Now I don't know all the constituents of embalming fluid, but I'm guessing it isn't good for you.

 

[gettheleadout]

I came into this thread thinking that it involved "study methods," and I was going to say wow, SDN sunk to a whole new level.

For real

 

[DrYoda]

On a related note, I interviewed someone for an STD behavioral study who laced their cigs with embalming fluid. She called the concoction a "laser." Now I don't know all the constituents of embalming fluid, but I'm guessing it isn't good for you.

Embalming fluid= slang for PCP.

 

[ElChamaco]

Embalming fluid= slang for PCP.

Although tragically, I think this unfortunate slang term has led to people seeking out and selling real embalming fluid. There is a lot of confusion about what this stuff actually is. I've never heard the term laser before, usually its called wet, sherms, fry, dippers, wakata, swaki, etc depending where in the country you are.

Someone should really take the time and figure out what this stuff usually is because it is fairly popular among younger people these days and it doesn't seem like a particularly harmless drug...

 

[MichaelRW]

Yes you would have to include that. However, cocaine HCl vaporizes at much higher temps than freebase cocaine...so its hard to gain much from smoking the hydrochloride form of cocaine.

exactly what he said. when people make crack cocaine, the final product gives maximum potency. The whole point of crack cocaine is to make a product that is able to be smoked. Smoking powder cocaine will have minimal effects relative to those of the freebase product. consider also that street powder cocaine is normally mixed with cutting agents such as inositol or vit b12. now im not sure of the heats of vaporization for these chemicals but if its lower than that of powder cocaine, then they are in fact being smoked "before" the cocaine is.

 

[chman]

You should probably count it, although it is much different in effect than crack or freebase (my chemistry prof loves explaining drugs...).

 

[accidentprone]

Although tragically, I think this unfortunate slang term has led to people seeking out and selling real embalming fluid. There is a lot of confusion about what this stuff actually is. I've never heard the term laser before, usually its called wet, sherms, fry, dippers, wakata, swaki, etc depending where in the country you are.

Someone should really take the time and figure out what this stuff usually is because it is fairly popular among younger people these days and it doesn't seem like a particularly harmless drug...

Thanks for the education ElChamaco and DrYoda. I've also heard the term wet used, so I suspect that this is what was going on.

 

[LizzyM]

OP, you need to bring this question to your supervisor/PI. There should be rules in the protocol for how to count responses that are not excatly the same as the questions in the questionnaire. Making the decision yourself, on the fly, is not the best thing for the study.

 

[Playa]

Lacing it in a cig is so amature, real *****z use crackpipes fo dis shiz.

 

[chman]

OP, you need to bring this question to your supervisor/PI. There should be rules in the protocol for how to count responses that are not excatly the same as the questions in the questionnaire. Making the decision yourself, on the fly, is not the best thing for the study.

A dang fine point. This is how studies get bad results...

 

[Kfire326]

For the purposes of the study, would you count this as smoking cocaine?

I personally would, but I'd run it by the PI like LizzyM said.

On a related note, I interviewed someone for an STD behavioral study who laced their cigs with embalming fluid. She called the concoction a "laser." Now I don't know all the constituents of embalming fluid, but I'm guessing it isn't good for you.

Embalming fluid = pcp = bad news bears. I was taught by a psychiatrist/addictions specialist to remember it as the "crazy naked guy" and "if you see nystagmus, you're too close!" (nystagmus = characteristic eye movements).

exactly what he said. when people make crack cocaine, the final product gives maximum potency. The whole point of crack cocaine is to make a product that is able to be smoked. Smoking powder cocaine will have minimal effects relative to those of the freebase product. consider also that street powder cocaine is normally mixed with cutting agents such as inositol or vit b12. now im not sure of the heats of vaporization for these chemicals but if its lower than that of powder cocaine, then they are in fact being smoked "before" the cocaine is.

Yea, from what I was taught, it takes 15 minutes for cocaine to reach its peak high when snorted, and lasts for about 2 hours. Coming off the high is a crash and the user will go from euphoria to a depressed mood. Crack cocaine, though, = freebase form of cocaine and is delivered to the brain much more readily. Peak high of crack cocaine ~ 7 seconds and lasts 10-15 minutes. Crack reaches higher highs and crashes into lower lows, hence the crack epidemic in the '80s. People would seek their next source of crack at any cost to avoid the horrible depression they felt.

 

[ElChamaco]

I personally would, but I'd run it by the PI like LizzyM said.



Embalming fluid = pcp = bad news bears. I was taught by a psychiatrist/addictions specialist to remember it as the "crazy naked guy" and "if you see nystagmus, you're too close!" (nystagmus = characteristic eye movements).



Yea, from what I was taught, it takes 15 minutes for cocaine to reach its peak high when snorted, and lasts for about 2 hours. Coming off the high is a crash and the user will go from euphoria to a depressed mood. Crack cocaine, though, = freebase form of cocaine and is delivered to the brain much more readily. Peak high of crack cocaine ~ 7 seconds and lasts 10-15 minutes. Crack reaches higher highs and crashes into lower lows, hence the crack epidemic in the '80s. People would seek their next source of crack at any cost to avoid the horrible depression they felt.

There is a great deal of urban mythology around PCP/embalming fluid/wet. More often than crazy naked, superhuman, aggressive warrior what you encounter is someone that is completely zombied out and may or may not have trouble simply walking five feet in five minutes. That's not to say that more aggressive PCP freak outs don't occur, but that isn't the typical experience of someone who is "wetted out." I've rarely heard of people getting any sort of energy bursts from wet.

 

[PremedGunner]

op, sounds like your patient really has his life together. he really knows how to live. we should all be more like him.

 

[chman]

op, sounds like your patient really has his life together. he really knows how to live. we should all be more like him.

And all future physicians should work at being judgmental of people with the disease of addiction, like you.

 

[GoSpursGo]

SDN isn't for homework help, nor is it for getting advice on your study protocols. Closing.