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I respectfully disagree that saying 60 grand a year for unskilled labor is an all right deal is out of touch.

I would counter that thinking there is something wrong with that is out of touch and disrespectful to well over half of all humans on earth who have less income.

Most members of my family are in the 30 per hour range. They would not enjoy your opinion on this, as I do not.
 
I respectfully disagree that saying 60 grand a year for unskilled labor is an all right deal is out of touch.

I would counter that thinking there is something wrong with that is out of touch and disrespectful to well over half of all humans on earth who have less income.

Most members of my family are in the 30 per hour range. They would not enjoy your opinion on this, as I do not.
I was wrong.
 
We don't know if these people have regular clients. This is speculation. These people usually have something on their background that prevent from getting a regular job. It's amazing a bunch of rich doctors are taking advantage of their situation. I am really getting upset discussing this.
I see you admitting fault which is great to see but just for context, my cleaning lady is a wonderful person with a very clean background. She is a legal immigrant who has been in the US for many years and found cleaning to best suit her needs/pay the best/support her family with a flexible schedule (we let her move her timing around since we are at work when she cleans, it's no hair off our back). She is able to have her kids in some of the best public education in the country as a result of this work. With the American Dream consistently under siege and being less and less common, stories like hers should be lauded.
 
In my humble opinion, you should check what your landscaping laws are in your area. This will take some time investment, but you should instead turn your yard into a wildflower garden. You will attract all sorts of critters, help the environment, and it will take zero maintenance beyond the initial cost (in terms of time and money). If you're interested in this, American Meadows has the best guides. At a minimum, and I beg you, to at least get some milkweeds planted to help preserve and save the Monarch.

Wildflower Seeds, Flower Bulbs, Perennials
 
I have an acre of land and no grass. It is all forested and the only thing I have to do is clean up the leaf debris a few times a year. I bought this property because I am kind of anti-lawn as they tend to be very negative on the environmentally friendly scale.

You should leave some leaves though and brush. That's where critters love to lay eggs and other animals have babies which are critical for the environment.

Ok my spiel is up lol
 
In my humble opinion, you should check what your landscaping laws are in your area. This will take some time investment, but you should instead turn your yard into a wildflower garden. You will attract all sorts of critters, help the environment, and it will take zero maintenance beyond the initial cost (in terms of time and money). If you're interested in this, American Meadows has the best guides. At a minimum, and I beg you, to at least get some milkweeds planted to help preserve and save the Monarch.

Wildflower Seeds, Flower Bulbs, Perennials

Don't plant milkweed if you have a dog or outdoor cat or if neighbors' dogs or outdoor cats could get access to your yard. DEFINITELY don't plant milkweed if your kids are little enough for ingestion to be a risk.
 
Don't plant milkweed if you have a dog or outdoor cat or if neighbors' dogs or outdoor cats could get access to your yard. DEFINITELY don't plant milkweed if your kids are little enough for ingestion to be a risk.

Good point. I have seen some people put like a wiry fence or something around for protection
 
This has been helpful but what do people think about the related construct of manscaping? I realize I spend about as much as you all do on the lawn, but I have been happy with the results from laser.
 
You should leave some leaves though and brush. That's where critters love to lay eggs and other animals have babies which are critical for the environment.

Ok my spiel is up lol
Completely agree. The only place I clean up the leaves and pine needles is from the driveway and the house. And a few small flower beds around the house. Unfortunately the people before me cleared most of the brush so am gradually encouraging that to grow but it’s hard because the deer keep eating it and every time a mountain lion comes into the area to snack on a few of the deer all the people want to kill it and then complain about the deer. Too bad the lions won’t eat a few of these people.
 
Everyone should look up the CMS rates from 1987, and compare that to minimum wage.

The gap between skilled labor and unzipped labor is getting smaller. Everyone is losing.
 
Everyone should look up the CMS rates from 1987, and compare that to minimum wage.

The gap between skilled labor and unzipped labor is getting smaller. Everyone is losing.
I mean, those people work way harder than we do most days...
 
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