You're right. People who enter an integrated Vascular Surgery program and Neurosurgery are below average applicants. You accuse me of it, but it seems like you more like to argue, just to argue.
Come on! the poster was clearly talking about step 1 score... Besides, your step 1 score is one of the most important metrics in your residency application.
Which poster? @Cyberdyne 101? I wasn't talking about Step 1 scores.
Stop hyping stuff! You keep misstating so many stuff in here and think you are the 'supreme leader' of everything regarding med school/doctors...
No I defintely wasn't, in my comment to mimelim. I thought it was obvious.
🙄 It will be fine when I am ready to apply for FM or psych, Mr. know-it-all!
I wasn't talking about step 1 scores. A derm applicant and a neurosurgery applicant will likely have similar step 1 scores, but the neuro applicant is seemingly more willing to spend her/his time in the hospital by a few standard deviations. That's what I thought DV was referring to. It's possible that I misinterpreted his point, but I was not referring specifically to step 1 scores.
Thank you. This is what I was referring to.
Does he even know him in person? If he doesn't, I don't how someone can testify on someone else drive and motivation... This is an internet forum for GOD SAKE... Maybe I should also find the most faithful woman in FACEBOOK and marry her...
Or if even if you didn't know that, I said "I also realize your experience in medical school and residency has been very different than for a lot of people in med school (but you're also 2 standard deviations above the average in many respects"
No, I have never met mimelim in real life - would be very cool to though. And yes, I was referring to his experiences/viewpoint/perspective on medical school/residency/etc as he thinks very differently than your average med student. Like I said (and I still stick by it) mimelim, when he was a med student, is about 2 standard deviations above your average med student (which is already a high bar already depending on med school) in many areas - drive, motivation, work ethic, willing to sacrifice, teaching of students, etc. if you have read his past posts.
Apparently. I'm not surprised some people translated the sentence literally to mean Step scores. Bc there is nothing else that matters in medical education - but that one metric.
Lol...
And more importantly one can be very intelligent beyond just a numeric score. Step 1 is not some IQ test - I realize we give great importance to this test - much more than is actually worth IMHO. But Step 1 can not test other qualities (and it was never meant to test those things) that are much more important in a resident that are critical esp. if one is doing something as rigorous as a surgical residency.
Lets be real here! 192 will have a mountain to climb if wants to match into derm/ENT/Neurosurgery... Step 1 might not be the only thing that matter for the match, but it is the most important metric if we are talking about the match here... PD survey certainly makes that rather obvious...
Step 1 is a filter. It can be an initial barrier to entry, but is not THE measure used to select applicants, esp. when you have clerkship grades, Step 2 CK still left. If that was the case, you'd have IMGs who study for the exam for years who hit 250s/260s getting those spots. That PD survey has to be taken in context.
A filter! Therefore, PD won't even get to see your application even if you are a nobel laureate... Well that is a heck of a filter!
PDs can filter however they want thru the ERAS software and not just on Step 1 cutoff score. Doesn't matter if you're a nobel laureate and have a high chance of failing your specialty boards.
Uhm…yes, that's exactly how it works.
You mean at a certain point in medical education you actually have to be competent based on certain non-negotiable metrics bc it can predict future passage/failure on specialty boards. For shame!!! How dare you!!!
Wouldn't it be easy to filter using step1 score? That how most programs filter out applicants... PD survey shows that step1 is the MOST important metrics for residency appointment... I am not sure why are we arguing about that.
You replied to yourself. It's one of the metrics. It's not the SOLE metric. Other things are or can be more important: clinical clerkship grades and comments, Step 2 CK score, LORs, etc. Step 1 score has never been the SOLE metric when it comes to residency selection. There are other qualities that can't be measured by a multiple choice exam only.
Except a transitional or prelim year doesn't prepare one for independent practice and is not part of one's advanced specialty residency. In theory you're ready for independent practice once you've completed Step 3 and internship, but we both know that's not really true in reality, esp. since the General Practice role has been effectively phased out, except in rural areas where they have no choice. You can't do a year of internship and then be ready to practice on your own 100%. So it's not surprising (at least not to me) that someone who is going into Rad Onc, Rads, PM&R, Derm, Ophtho, Anesthesia, etc. don't care by the end of their internship year which they are required to do.
I don't mean biased in a bad way or that people somehow shouldn't take your advice, but more just that your viewpoint/med school experience is just that - different. I would say it's 1-2 standard deviations above the experience of your average med student (although your average med student at different institutions will vary greatly). If one was able to easily maintain your attitude, work ethic, and demeanor in everything they do thru out med school they would be very successful. Your attitude and work ethic is what med students should aim to shoot for as the ideal, IMHO, and how to improve when they are actively struggling during clerkships when the hidden curriculum can have a big role to play. An analogous example would be an average to below average premed asking the med student who is Junior AOA at their specific med school, what med school is like. The student who is Junior AOA is not likely to have any complaints since they played the game well enough to come out on top anyways - it worked out fine for them. Hopefully that example helps a little.
One can be 1-2 standard deviations above others in many areas, only one of them being academic prowess, and still be normal. Correlating personality to smarts or looks to smarts (in the case of female residents) is a fool's errand.
