Lecom bradenton: Attention everyone!!!!

[steven123454321]

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Hi everyone, I am currently 2nd year student at LECOM Bradenton. I would like to bring up some seriously terrible things about this school. I am bringing this up because I know this post will get attention from the faculty since they monitor everything.

The first and most F'd up thing about LECOM-B: The teachers make you feel horrible for asking questions. One of my classmates was having problems understanding a certain topic. When she approached the teacher to ask, the teacher's response was this......"THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS." At that point, some of the supporting teachers turned and shot my friend the dirtiest look. She then just went and sat down. This was on one occasion. I cannot explain how many times some professor has made my classmates feel bad for asking questions. I've heard things from...."THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION." "I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN." "WHAT IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS?" "DID I STUTTER?"

They teach us ethics, and urge us to be nice when we become docs because apparently docs have a reputation for being *******s. WHY TEACH US WHEN YOU ARE ASS HOLES YOURSELF? Don't get me wrong, there are nice teachers there, but it's not a friendly school at all. They're not making good examples for their students. It's a breeding ground for *******s.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Hi everyone, I am currently 2nd year student at LECOM Bradenton. I would like to bring up some seriously terrible things about this school. I am bringing this up because I know this post will get attention from the faculty since they monitor everything.

The first and most F'd up thing about LECOM-B: The teachers make you feel horrible for asking questions. One of my classmates was having problems understanding a certain topic. When she approached the teacher to ask, the teacher's response was this......"THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS." At that point, some of the supporting teachers turned and shot my friend the dirtiest look. She then just went and sat down. This was on one occasion. I cannot explain how many times some professor has made my classmates feel bad for asking questions. I've heard things from...."THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION." "I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN." "WHAT IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS?" "DID I STUTTER?"

They teach us ethics, and urge us to be nice when we become docs because apparently docs have a reputation for being *******s. WHY TEACH US WHEN YOU ARE ASS HOLES YOURSELF? Don't get me wrong, there are nice teachers there, but it's not a friendly school at all. They're not making good examples for their students. It's a breeding ground for *******s.

I feel bad for your 'friend,' BUT I've heard nothing but wonderful things about LECOM-B. One of the highest COMLEX pass rates in it's 1st year, and an extremely impressive match list. I think you should just start making your tin-foil helmet for the fall out ... that way big brother can't pick your thoughts.

I'd like to hear other's opinions on LECOM-B, because I've never read anything like this in the past (and your one post makes this look very trollish).

 

[BCLumas]

Hi everyone, I am currently 2nd year student at LECOM Bradenton. I would like to bring up some seriously terrible things about this school. I am bringing this up because I know this post will get attention from the faculty since they monitor everything.

The first and most F'd up thing about LECOM-B: The teachers make you feel horrible for asking questions. One of my classmates was having problems understanding a certain topic. When she approached the teacher to ask, the teacher's response was this......"THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS." At that point, some of the supporting teachers turned and shot my friend the dirtiest look. She then just went and sat down. This was on one occasion. I cannot explain how many times some professor has made my classmates feel bad for asking questions. I've heard things from...."THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION." "I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN." "WHAT IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS?" "DID I STUTTER?"

They teach us ethics, and urge us to be nice when we become docs because apparently docs have a reputation for being *******s. WHY TEACH US WHEN YOU ARE ASS HOLES YOURSELF? Don't get me wrong, there are nice teachers there, but it's not a friendly school at all. They're not making good examples for their students. It's a breeding ground for *******s.

I feel very bad for you and your friend. It must be very frustrating to have your questions asked only to be told that they were, in some way, poor questions. Since you are posting this now I can only imagine that you are referring to your PBL class, since I cannot imagine the Clinical Exam professors or the OMM facilitators to be anything less than extremely helpful. If these problems are occurring during PBL, then maybe you should talk to the course coordinator for PBL and express your concerns. I know for a fact that they are 100% helpful in dealing with any concerns that I've had about PBL, and are always willing to chat.

Since I only have to assume that this is during PBL, when did your friend approach the professor to ask her question? Was it during classtime? If so, then the facilitator is correct: s/he does not have time to answer that question. As a first-year I am already seeing that the facilitator's role is miniscule and that they only interviene when we are stuck at a particular junction. Since we are still in Anatomy (which ends in 8 days, by the way), the facilitators seem to still be in "helper" mode, asking probing questions once in a while. On the other hand, we are not being walked through the material by any means. The class, by nature, is student driven and student facilitated, as you know. I would first try asking your classmates to explain the concepts to you first before probing the facilitator for answers.

If this is occurring outside of PBL scheduled time, then that is unfortunate. However, through my limited time here I have met nothing but helpful and willing professors and facilitators. I could begin a list of these people, but I would probably leave people out. Do I particularly like all of my facilitators or professors? Absolutely not. There are some that I do not really enjoy interacting with. The beauty of the school, however, is that there are a plethora of other faculty members who can help you understand the subject. If you do not find that a particular facilitator is helpful for you, try another one. Talk with the course coordinator and find out which faculty member can give you the best help.

I am really sorry about your problems. I would spend some time answering JP's post about how much I love the school, but I have my last week of Anatomy this week and my study partner just showed up to review the Pterygopalatine Fossa and the Oral Cavity. Back to reality, no?

JP and all other readers: this school rocks. In my experience, these claims are unfounded and untrue. If you have any further questions about the school, post them here and I (and others as well) will probably respond. Otherwise, simply PM me.

Good luck to everyone.

 

[GreenShirt]

That's frustrating, but, from what I understand, that's the nature of PBL. The instructors aren't there to teach you anything...you're supposed to teach yourself. Some of the profs at my school try to use this learner-oriented approach too and it's a pretty frustrating. Here's an example of an interaction I had with a prof during office hours:

Me: "Hi Dr, I had trouble understanding Y. Can you help me?"
Dr: "Did you do your reading?"
Me: "Yes, but I didn't fully grasp the concept from the text. I need some clarification.'
Dr: "What specifically didn't you understand about Y?"
Me: "This... and that..."
Dr: "That's explained in the second paragraph."
Me: "Yes, well, I didn't find that paragraph to be helpful, can you give help Me find another way to approach the topic?"
Dr: "It's in the reading. Go home and read it again."
Me: "Uh...ok, thanks for your help."

I can see the logic behind having to figure out everything on your own, but looking everything up on your own consumes a huge amount of time you just don't have in medical school.

OP, maybe you can find other teachers or a tutor that can answer your questions if certain profs are unwilling.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

People bitch way too much about their school, and this is true everywhere.

Just do your ****ing work. You sure as **** don't need to be bitching about professors hurting your feelings. If they tell you you're stupid, it is good practice for the rest of your life, when you are no longer allowed to be a *****.

Just learn. That's why you're there. Not a ****ing four-year-long group hug.

As for Bradenton, specifically... I think they've proven themselves.

 

[BCLumas]

That's frustrating, but, from what I understand, that's the nature of PBL. The instructors aren't there to teach you anything...you're supposed to teach yourself. Some of the profs at my school try to use this learner-oriented approach too and it's a pretty frustrating. Here's an example of an interaction I had with a prof during office hours:

Me: "Hi Dr, I had trouble understanding Y. Can you help me?"
Dr: "Did you do your reading?"
Me: "Yes, but I didn't fully grasp the concept from the text. I need some clarification.'
Dr: "What specifically didn't you understand about Y?"
Me: "This... and that..."
Dr: "That's explained in the second paragraph."
Me: "Yes, well, I didn't find that paragraph to be helpful, can you give help Me find another way to approach the topic?"
Dr: "It's in the reading. Go home and read it again."
Me: "Uh...ok, thanks for your help."

I can see the logic behind having to figure out everything on your own, but looking everything up on your own consumes a huge amount of time you just don't have in medical school.

OP, maybe you can find other teachers or a tutor that can answer your questions if certain profs are unwilling.

I can see that being a pain, but during PBL we only have class on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for 2 hours each day. Other than that you are free to learn as much as your brain can possibly handle. There is plenty of time to look up everything, IMHO.

 

[Cp22kjer]

Every school is going to have someone with a bad experience or two. I'm sorry to hear this coming from the OP. Especially as he/she was upset enough to make a post about it. That being said I think everyone should realize that random unfortunate situations happen at every school...... and thus posts like this should have little bearing on deciding what the school offers as a whole.

 

[DragonWell]

It's very hard for me to visualize this happening based on my experience at LECOM-B. Some teachers were certainly more approachable than others, but I never encountered anything like the kind of hostility described above during my time there. A couple people involved with the clinical side of things could certainly come across as somewhat intimidating and, god help you if you're late to their lecture, but, if you ever really needed something, at least in my experience, they've always been willing to help.

I'd be curious what classes this is allegedly happening in. The OP makes it sound like a lecture rather than PBL...if this was during PBL, as BCLumas mentioned above, it is not the time to have information spoon-fed to you. If your friend is a 2nd year and is still constantly asking to have concepts personally explained to him/her during PBL, it sounds like they may be fundamentally not getting PBL.

 

[Hurricane95]

I have two friends attending this school and they seem to love it there. They only speak well about the institution.

However IF this were true, then it is unfortunate, but you should start to learn to deal with people you don't get along with. Not everyone you work with is going to hold your hand and coddle you, especially once you start full time outside the classroom and in the hospital.

 

[GreenShirt]

I can see that being a pain, but during PBL we only have class on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for 2 hours each day. Other than that you are free to learn as much as your brain can possibly handle. There is plenty of time to look up everything, IMHO.

That's true. My school is sort of a lecture/PBL hybrid. We spend 20+ hrs/week in class so we don't have a lot of time outside of class to be looking everything up. The two systems just don't go together IMHO.

 

[jonb12997]

... you should start to learn to deal with people you don't get along with. Not everyone you work with is going to hold your hand and coddle you, especially once you start full time outside the classroom and in the hospital.

Sorta my thoughts...

 

[Kateb4]

Well, to the OP I have to say that everywhere you go there are going to be helpful people, and there will be ass holes. I doubt that there is a school out there that doesn't have its share of each. I have to agree with the others though, if you have a problem with one professor, go to another. I have heard a few students having problems with certain faculty, so I just avoid those people (probably what they want anyways). I have also found so many of the faculty here are helpful beyond expectation, and really are invested in educating us. Anyways, sorry you're having a bad experience. This whole med school thing is incredibly stressful and it really is frustrating when you come accross one of those people, but you have to learn to brush it off because there are alot of them out there.

 

[MossPoh]

This is seriously the first negative thing I've heard from ANYONE from bradenton. You made it seem like it was a laundry list of things, and then tell one story from one experience. Everyone is entitled to have issues with a program. If you don't, then you're probably living in a fantasy world..nothing is perfect. That being said, you need to have a better argument lined up and not just an argument.

 

[PBL DO]

Hi everyone, I am currently 2nd year student at LECOM Bradenton. I would like to bring up some seriously terrible things about this school. I am bringing this up because I know this post will get attention from the faculty since they monitor everything.

The first and most F'd up thing about LECOM-B: The teachers make you feel horrible for asking questions. One of my classmates was having problems understanding a certain topic. When she approached the teacher to ask, the teacher's response was this......"THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS." At that point, some of the supporting teachers turned and shot my friend the dirtiest look. She then just went and sat down. This was on one occasion. I cannot explain how many times some professor has made my classmates feel bad for asking questions. I've heard things from...."THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION." "I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN." "WHAT IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS?" "DID I STUTTER?"

They teach us ethics, and urge us to be nice when we become docs because apparently docs have a reputation for being *******s. WHY TEACH US WHEN YOU ARE ASS HOLES YOURSELF? Don't get me wrong, there are nice teachers there, but it's not a friendly school at all. They're not making good examples for their students. It's a breeding ground for *******s.

The main points have pretty much been summed up already but I feel the need to make a comment as well for when posts of this nature find there way into the forums. Personally, I don't believe this poster is honestly a 2nd year student at LECOM-B. There are some veteran posters on SDN from LECOM-B who constantly provide advice and support about the school and those are the individuals I would pay attention to when trying to make a decision about the school, not someone with one post as ridiculous as this.

By the time you are over a year into the PBL curriculum this type of complaint shouldn't be an issue. I am only a first year and as BCLumas pointed out we are just finishing up anatomy and haven't had the full experience of PBL, yet. That said I rarely find the need to ask a professor for any assistance. The school teaches you to work with fellow students at attacking a case and breaking down the basic science aspects of a clinical scenario as a team. They do not expect you to know everything all at once, but you can figure out just about everything you need to by talking it out with a classmate and spending some time in a book.

Furthermore, I expected this approach to learning when I agreed to attend. Maybe it was different when this individual interviewed 2 years ago, but after sitting in on a PBL session and being lectured on the goal of this style of learning I understood how different of an approach it is to learning medicine. Besides that it's funny how sensitive some people are who decide to pursue a career in medicine. If you can't handle a professor saying s/he is too busy to answer a stupid question now you are in serious trouble later.

At LECOM-B you are offered every opportunity to learn all aspects of medicine that you chose. You have books, library/online resources, fellow students, and enough guidance to figure it out on your own. Do not attend this school if you are not a self-motivated learner. That said it doesn't take much time to realize what professors are helpful in what field you are struggling in. The board scores, match list, clinical testimonials, and a plethora of other evidence in this school's short history speaks amazingly for itself. The curriculum works, but it is not for everyone. Those who can't handle it are sometimes motivated to post a comment like this one.

I feel bad you are not satisfied with your experience at this wonderful school; however if your major concern is a teacher writing off a question here and there get over it.

 

[BCLumas]

Agreed. As an aside, it's been a while since I've seen the PBLDO avatar post on these boards. Good job, OP; something you said has awoken the sleeping Manatee.

 

[grinchick5]

I have absolutely zero experience with PBL, so I really can't speak to the appropriateness of question asking during PBL time. However, if professors truly were responding as the OP claims, their comments were TOTALLY inappropriate. This issue here, as the OP alluded to, is one professionalism and general courtesy.

So the prof won't/can't/shouldn't answer your question, fine whatever. Instead of calling you out for asking a stupid question or wasting their time, can't they simply suggest that you ask your group mates or refer to your notes/book? I'd be pissed too if my ~40k/year tuition went towards supporting such instructors.

 

[scpod]

....I'd be pissed too if my ~40k/year tuition went towards supporting such instructors.

Two points: One, tuition is only 27.5k for OOS students and less for FL residents. Two, If you think that's inappropriate (assuming it's true) just wait until you get into the midst of attendings who are 20 times worse. You are expected to be on top of your game and will be humiliated time and again if you are not perfect. You'll probably cry a few times before it's over. I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality. Might as well learn to deal with it now.

 

[grinchick5]

Two points: One, tuition is only 27.5k for OOS students and less for FL residents. Two, If you think that's inappropriate (assuming it's true) just wait until you get into the midst of attendings who are 20 times worse. You are expected to be on top of your game and will be humiliated time and again if you are not perfect. You'll probably cry a few times before it's over. I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality. Might as well learn to deal with it now.

1: I said MY 40k/year, as in the obscene amount of $$ I barrow to pay my tuition. Wasn't pretending or even trying to guess LECOM-B tuition is.

2: I'm neither naive nor an idealist. I choose to pursue a career in medicine with a good idea of the **** that would have to be endured. Though I can't and won't claim to have loads of experience fending off attendings (at least not in my capacity as a medical student), there's a difference between what happens in the clinic and what in the classroom. My institution can't control which a**hole attendings might ruin my day, but they sure as hell CAN control who they put in their lecture halls...and they should.

 

[BCLumas]

Seriously.. Dragonwell and Scpod rule. If there are two people you want to listen to about LECOM-B, it's them for sure.

All other comments are simply subpar (unless they come from Nlax.. then they rule, too).

 

[BCLumas]

1: I said MY 40k/year, as in the obscene amount of $$ I barrow to pay my tuition. Wasn't pretending or even trying to guess LECOM-B tuition is.

2: I'm neither naive nor an idealist. I choose to pursue a career in medicine with a good idea of the **** that would have to be endured. Though I can't and won't claim to have loads of experience fending off attendings (at least not in my capacity as a medical student), there's a difference between what happens in the clinic and what in the classroom. My institution can't control which a**hole attendings might ruin my day, but they sure as hell CAN control who they put in their lecture halls...and they should.

I disagree. Why give students a false view of what they will experience in the near future? I mean, would you like them to make the material a bit more easy to understand just so you can make sure you pass your first two years? Absolutely not. Instead you want to make sure that you are given all of the information in its entirety and tested rigorously to make sure that you don't look like a fool when you enter the clinics. The same goes for the attitude that the professors have for you as a student. Why would they coddle you as a medical student only to have you face the reality of the clinics unprepared? They shouldn't and they don't.

For example, the way that we are told to ask our questions is in the format of:

"Dr. ____, I am looking at this lab slide and I cannot tell what this labeled item is. I think it might be _____ based upon _____, ______, and _____, but I am not entirely sure. Also, I usually expect to see ______ when I look at this, but I cannot seem to get a good orientation of what I am looking at to see if _____ is actually present."

In that example, every single facilitator/professor I have had to date has been more than willing to help me through my problems. Why? They see that I have taken the time to actually try to find the answer prior to asking for help.

I have also seen people ask what something is without having an idea of what it could possibly be or what the heck they are looking at. In those instances they have been told to go back to their seat and try to find the answer on their own. Is that wrong? Should the professors simply give them the answers? Absolutely not. What are they learning in that case? Nothing.

If the OP is having problems with PBL, then, as Dragonwell mentioned, they are probably not doing it properly. PBL is done all on ones own and takes a lot of effort on the person's part to make sure they grasp the simple concepts. Going to the facilitators and asking them to explain how the counter-current multiplier system works in the kidneys without understanding how the fluid diffuses through the glomerulus into the bowman's capsule is simply asinine. You cannot begin to understand and appreciate the material you are looking at without understanding the building blocks upon which it is founded. Why look at how proteins are metabolized by the body when you don't even truly know what a protein looks like or what its base components are?

Good luck.

 

[scpod]

....My institution can't control which a**hole attendings might ruin my day, but they sure as hell CAN control who they put in their lecture halls...and they should.

There are only five rules at Lecom-B that are inflexible. Everything else is subject to change....including professors. Every professor or facilitator is "graded" by every student there. You won't be able to take final exams until you have evaluated your facilitator. There are a number of professors I had who are no longer there. Today's students will not have to endure them. Why? Because we complained about them en masse. The administration has a pretty good track record of listening to the students. They solicit feedback constantly and have made many changes based on it.

Rest assured that if most students there believe a certain professor is detrimental to their education, then something will be done about it. If this is more than one isolated student's ranting, then it will get fixed.

Yet, the fact remains that you will see a lot of people who seem to be *******s, yet the truth is that they just have little tolerance for someone who isn't giving 1000% effort, 24/7. Why? My advisor told a group of us during lunch in our first week that he had the reputation of being an *******....but he really wasn't. What concerned him was that one day we might be taking care of his kids and he wanted us to be the best damned doctors we could be. He said he would be on our asses hard if we slacked off. Yet, if you were making an effort he was always there for you.

Medicine is sooooo unique in life. It's a business, just like any other, but what's the worst thing that could happen if you get a sorry haircut? It grows back. What's the worst thing that could happen if you give out the wrong medication? That's a whole different story.

Another part of medicine is learning not to take things so personally. There are a lot of harsh things happening. During my first code, my attending was absolutely livid with the EM docs because they sent a patient with a GI bleed to the floor with a little tiny butterfly in the back of her hand for fluids. Protocol says you don't move them until they have two large-bore IVs in place. When she crashed, there was no way to get her the fluids she needed fast enough. Somebody's ass got chewed really hard that day. But, at the end of the day you learn to forget the ass-chewing and concentrate on being better prepared for the next time. If you get a little ass-chewing during class, the thing to do is to not take it personally and use it as a learning experience. If there is truly something wrong with a professor at Lecom-B, they really won't be there all that long.

 

[MossPoh]

Medicine is sooooo unique in life. It's a business, just like any other, but what's the worst thing that could happen if you get a sorry haircut? It grows back. What's the worst thing that could happen if you give out the wrong medication? That's a whole different story.

Let me tell you a story about a young businessman that went to do a proposal. A major proposal for lots of money. He thought the same thing, until he got that bad haircut. He did not win that presentation, did not win that contract, and his company did not cure cancer. Why? They were all too busy making fun of his bowl cut to pay attention to his awesome presentation. All it takes is a good haircut sometimes. 😉

 

[digitlnoize]

Wow. There is no way I can believe this person is an actual LECOM-B student. If they are, then they should know the proper procedures for dealing with a situation like this. With that in mind:

:troll:

Seriously people, this person is full of crap. Everything I was told by Dragonwell, Scpod, and Nlax I have found to be true. I would listen to their advice as well as myself, BCLumas, and PBLDO. We all post our honest opinions, but remember, that they are OUR opinions.

Is the school and faculty 100% perfect? No, but I'd give 'em a 98/100. And, that's better than I am doing in anatomy, so I can't talk much smack about them!

 

[jonb12997]

I think the topic of this discussion, which is very good, is that in your first two years, its easy to expect things to be handed to you, because a lot of times in undergrad, that's what we got. However, once you hit the wards and clinics, your attendings are going to expect a LOT out of you, and you had better be prepared. Lecturers and PBL facilitators who push hard are only preparring you for the future.

 

[digitlnoize]

I think the topic of this discussion, which is very good, is that in your first two years, its easy to expect things to be handed to you, because a lot of times in undergrad, that's what we got. However, once you hit the wards and clinics, your attendings are going to expect a LOT out of you, and you had better be prepared. Lecturers and PBL facilitators who push hard are only preparring you for the future.

What you say is true, but the OP says that they are a 2nd year LECOM-B student. This just doesn't make any sense. As a 2nd year, they have been finding answers on their own in PBL for a year now, and are VERY VERY far removed from the undergrad mentality.

A 2nd year LECOM student should know better. If you don't know the answer, go find it. If you can't find it, then use google. If that doesn't work, ask your friends. And after all of that has failed (which it won't) then go ask a teacher. I've figured this "chain of command" out and I've only been here for 10 weeks.

Can we stop bumping this post now?

 

[DC DOC]

Grow up and grow a pair!

 

[jondoe123]

🙄

 

[MSmentor018]

I am a 3rd year at LECOM-B and everyone, including the teachers, are very easy to get along with. I've heard of a few harsh conversations, but nothing compared to the hospital setting and definitely nothing to get upset over. you're paying one of the lowest tuition rates for a private school, living in sunny FL, and a relatively flexible study schedule. I don't know what to tell you. sorry dude.

 

[zmeister22]

When she approached the teacher to ask, the teacher's response was this......"THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS."

They teach us ethics, and urge us to be nice when we become docs because apparently docs have a reputation for being *******s.


They're not making good examples for their students. It's a breeding ground for *******s.

People bitch way too much about their school, and this is true everywhere.

Just do your ****ing work. You sure as **** don't need to be bitching about professors hurting your feelings. If they tell you you're stupid, it is good practice for the rest of your life, when you are no longer allowed to be a *****.

Just learn. That's why you're there. Not a ****ing four-year-long group hug.

As for Bradenton, specifically... I think they've proven themselves.

You k*** what I do*'* f***ing get, *** everyone ***** uses *** in *** when they could just **** in the ******** while ****** the *****. **** me, i just don't ******ing get it. ****** me for *****asking a ******ing question. ****!

 

[BCLumas]

Anti-clever.

 

[ShyRem]

I've had enough. Closing.