LECOM Bradenton or TouroCOM NY

[shazada]

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Hey,

I am having a tough time deciding between the two. I really liked LECOM Bradenton PBL curriculum, but I would not mind having lecture at TouroCOM NY. TouroCOM NY location is much more convenient for me. I understand that where ever I goto school I have to study hard, and stay focused and that is not the problem. I am just worried about rotations I would really appreciate it if students from both school, could give me some advice (mostly about the rotations and their experiences) ASAP! I have about 2.5 weeks to pay a deposit and I really wanted to avoid paying multiple deposits. I know that 3, 4th yr students at TouroCOM may have different opinions than the 1st and 2nd yrs student about their pre clinical yrs, but I would really appreciate it if we could keep the conversation to the clinical yrs. Please help!

 

[digitlnoize]

LECOM-B 3rd year here, currently on rotations:

The LECOM-B rotation schedule is VERY VERY flexible. For example, I (and many of my classmates) have elected to go do our rotations back in our home states, rather than stay in Florida, mostly for family reasons for me.

The only requirement school really has is that a board certified, licensed doc (in whatever specialty you're supposed to be rotating with) is willing to have you for 4 weeks. Having done the PBL curriculum, you're a VERY self-sufficient learner, so there are zero worries about doing academic vs non-academic rotations, although we have availability at both types of places.

I've done all of my rotations so far at non-academic institutions, and have had a great time. The physicians have been welcoming, and helpful...allowing me to see their patients as if they were my own, write notes, and they correct them if they're wrong. Then you go home and read...

I had a great experience at LECOM-B. The real question is whether PBL is for you, and whether you want to be away from family for at least 2 years.

Finally, PLEASE consider the tuition. LECOM is one of the cheapest med schools out there. You'll thank yourself in the end.

 

[angryazn88]

LECOM-B 3rd year here, currently on rotations:

The LECOM-B rotation schedule is VERY VERY flexible. For example, I (and many of my classmates) have elected to go do our rotations back in our home states, rather than stay in Florida, mostly for family reasons for me.

The only requirement school really has is that a board certified, licensed doc (in whatever specialty you're supposed to be rotating with) is willing to have you for 4 weeks. Having done the PBL curriculum, you're a VERY self-sufficient learner, so there are zero worries about doing academic vs non-academic rotations, although we have availability at both types of places.

I've done all of my rotations so far at non-academic institutions, and have had a great time. The physicians have been welcoming, and helpful...allowing me to see their patients as if they were my own, write notes, and they correct them if they're wrong. Then you go home and read...

I had a great experience at LECOM-B. The real question is whether PBL is for you, and whether you want to be away from family for at least 2 years.

Finally, PLEASE consider the tuition. LECOM is one of the cheapest med schools out there. You'll thank yourself in the end.

where are you from? im from new york and do you know if LECOM-B has rotations in ny?

 

[digitlnoize]

where are you from? im from new york and do you know if LECOM-B has rotations in ny?

I am from Virginia. LECOM ERIE has many rotations in New York, and those rotations are open to LECOM-B students, but the LECOM-E students get first pick. That being said, there's always tons of left overs.

The better option usually, is to set them up yourself. Just find a doc in whatever specialty you need willing to take you. It hasn't been much of a problem, a few cold calls or emails and eventually someone says yes.

I have many classmates doing rotations in NYC, but I don't know many details besides that it's been very possible for more than a few people in my class. I have one very good friend doing pretty much all of his rotations in NYC because that's where his fiance is doing her residency...wasn't too hard.

Sorry I don't know more details, but I've never looked into it, since I have a family and don't want to be away from them, although I love NYC!

 

[skatertudoroga]

I am from Virginia. LECOM ERIE has many rotations in New York, and those rotations are open to LECOM-B students, but the LECOM-E students get first pick. That being said, there's always tons of left overs.

The better option usually, is to set them up yourself. Just find a doc in whatever specialty you need willing to take you. It hasn't been much of a problem, a few cold calls or emails and eventually someone says yes.

I have many classmates doing rotations in NYC, but I don't know many details besides that it's been very possible for more than a few people in my class. I have one very good friend doing pretty much all of his rotations in NYC because that's where his fiance is doing her residency...wasn't too hard.

Sorry I don't know more details, but I've never looked into it, since I have a family and don't want to be away from them, although I love NYC!

hm you mentioned all your rotations are at "non-acaemic places". Do you mean you do all your rotations at out-patient clinics?? Thats not very appealing if your goal is to match anything other than primary care. Best learning is done at the bedside...

 

[digitlnoize]

hm you mentioned all your rotations are at "non-acaemic places". Do you mean you do all your rotations at out-patient clinics?? Thats not very appealing if your goal is to match anything other than primary care. Best learning is done at the bedside...

No, it means that I'm doing them at community hospitals instead of academic ones...

Community rotations are better, IMO, for a number of reasons:

1. One-on-one with your attending. In academic hospitals, you're the low man on the totem pole, after the senior residents, junior residents, interns, and 4th year students. I prefer being #2 in line, thanks.

2. Real-world medicine. Academia is a bit different, both in pace and in treatment style than private medicine. Since I have no interest in working in academics, I prefer to learn at the pace and style of private practice.

3. More flexibility. I have a family, and my private attendings have been much more flexible and understanding if I've needed an afternoon off for some reason.

4. Attendings that enjoy teaching. If a private attending is willing to take a student, chances are that they truly enjoy teaching. In academics, they might just enjoy research. Or, they might want a slave to do their scut for them, or they might like the hours...the list goes on and on.

Obviously, academia has more/better lectures and "teaching" than private practice. As I pointed out above though, after the PBL curriculum at LECOM-B, you simply don't need any of that. For example, today I saw a patient with MS, so I've gone home and read about MS and it's treatment, as well as a host of other neurological problems. I don't need someone giving me a lecture about how to treat MS, it's all on UpToDate anyways. I can read Harrison's as well (or better) than the next guy.

Again though, if your goal is to do academic medicine, or research, or you aren't a self-motivated learner, maybe you should go to a large university program. Pick the school that fits YOUR goals, learning style, personality, and budget...not mine.

 

[skatertudoroga]

What is the difference between "community" and "academic hospital" rotations according to you? How many IN-patient patients per week do you take care of on your IM rotation? Where do you think you should aim to do your residency if you want to do anything but primary care? What is the point of clinical rotations if you do your learning by reading Harrison's at home instead of getting pimped about your patients? Have you done any A-lines or any other procedures that students at academic hospitals learn to do? Guess what, if the "community hospital" has no residents, then you are not going to do your residency there; the hospital is not good enough to train residents or to recommend students for reputable residencies.

As for point#3, that is certainly not a pro for someone who puts his clinical training above all else.

No, it means that I'm doing them at community hospitals instead of academic ones...

Community rotations are better, IMO, for a number of reasons:

1. One-on-one with your attending. In academic hospitals, you're the low man on the totem pole, after the senior residents, junior residents, interns, and 4th year students. I prefer being #2 in line, thanks.

2. Real-world medicine. Academia is a bit different, both in pace and in treatment style than private medicine. Since I have no interest in working in academics, I prefer to learn at the pace and style of private practice.

3. More flexibility. I have a family, and my private attendings have been much more flexible and understanding if I've needed an afternoon off for some reason.

4. Attendings that enjoy teaching. If a private attending is willing to take a student, chances are that they truly enjoy teaching. In academics, they might just enjoy research. Or, they might want a slave to do their scut for them, or they might like the hours...the list goes on and on.

Obviously, academia has more/better lectures and "teaching" than private practice. As I pointed out above though, after the PBL curriculum at LECOM-B, you simply don't need any of that. For example, today I saw a patient with MS, so I've gone home and read about MS and it's treatment, as well as a host of other neurological problems. I don't need someone giving me a lecture about how to treat MS, it's all on UpToDate anyways. I can read Harrison's as well (or better) than the next guy.

Again though, if your goal is to do academic medicine, or research, or you aren't a self-motivated learner, maybe you should go to a large university program. Pick the school that fits YOUR goals, learning style, personality, and budget...not mine.

 

[digitlnoize]

What is the difference between "community" and "academic hospital" rotations according to you? How many IN-patient patients per week do you take care of on your IM rotation? Where do you think you should aim to do your residency if you want to do anything but primary care? What is the point of clinical rotations if you do your learning by reading Harrison's at home instead of getting pimped about your patients? Have you done any A-lines or any other procedures that students at academic hospitals learn to do? Guess what, if the "community hospital" has no residents, then you are not going to do your residency there; the hospital is not good enough to train residents or to recommend students for reputable residencies.

As for point#3, that is certainly not a pro for someone who puts his clinical training above all else.

A community hospital is one ot affiliated with an academic institution. Many community hospitals have residency programs. One should aim to do their residency at the program they want, whether thats an academic residency or a community one. I do get pimped. Daily. Yes, I get to do procedures (rolls eyes). Why do you think these things are restricted to academic facilities? They dont place central lines in community hospitals? Everyone does "audition rotations" during 4th year (next yr for me). Most people dont do residency at their med school anyways, so how does that matter? Just because a hospital doesnt have residents doesnt mean they suck. My last attending was a nationally recognized expert in asthma. My rads attending helped invent MRIs. These people are extremely good.

As to your last point, my family comes first. Thats why I will remain married while the rest of you docs get divorced. Do not take this to mean that I am lazy or do not provide good care. Life and medicine are not mutually exclusive.

This is off topic and has been debated endlessly on SDN. If anyone has questions about rotations, let me know. If you want to argue about why my lifestyle choice is stupid, go elsewhere. I am over it.

 

[skatertudoroga]

A community hospital is one ot affiliated with an academic institution. Many community hospitals have residency programs. One should aim to do their residency at the program they want, whether thats an academic residency or a community one. I do get pimped. Daily. Yes, I get to do procedures (rolls eyes). Why do you think these things are restricted to academic facilities? They dont place central lines in community hospitals? Everyone does "audition rotations" during 4th year (next yr for me). Most people dont do residency at their med school anyways, so how does that matter? Just because a hospital doesnt have residents doesnt mean they suck. My last attending was a nationally recognized expert in asthma. My rads attending helped invent MRIs. These people are extremely good.

As to your last point, my family comes first. Thats why I will remain married while the rest of you docs get divorced. Do not take this to mean that I am lazy or do not provide good care. Life and medicine are not mutually exclusive.

This is off topic and has been debated endlessly on SDN. If anyone has questions about rotations, let me know. If you want to argue about why my lifestyle choice is stupid, go elsewhere. I am over it.

Ok thank you for your response. Indeed, I don't care about things like family and am much more interested to discuss hospitals. So, what community hospitals in NYC can your students rotate at? Could you list all the places in NYC where your students could do IM and Gen Surg? Thank you.

 

[digitlnoize]

Ok thank you for your response. Indeed, I don't care about things like family and am much more interested to discuss hospitals. So, what community hospitals in NYC can your students rotate at? Could you list all the places in NYC where your students could do IM and Gen Surg? Thank you.

I'm not entirely sure since I've never looked into it myself. The easy answer is any hospital that will take them, including the big academic centers. Literally, the only requirement is that the facility or doc is willing to take us. I know I have many classmates in NYC, but I dont know the details, sorry.

 

[shazada]

LECOM-B 3rd year here, currently on rotations:

The LECOM-B rotation schedule is VERY VERY flexible. For example, I (and many of my classmates) have elected to go do our rotations back in our home states, rather than stay in Florida, mostly for family reasons for me.

The only requirement school really has is that a board certified, licensed doc (in whatever specialty you're supposed to be rotating with) is willing to have you for 4 weeks. Having done the PBL curriculum, you're a VERY self-sufficient learner, so there are zero worries about doing academic vs non-academic rotations, although we have availability at both types of places.

I've done all of my rotations so far at non-academic institutions, and have had a great time. The physicians have been welcoming, and helpful...allowing me to see their patients as if they were my own, write notes, and they correct them if they're wrong. Then you go home and read...

I had a great experience at LECOM-B. The real question is whether PBL is for you, and whether you want to be away from family for at least 2 years.

Finally, PLEASE consider the tuition. LECOM is one of the cheapest med schools out there. You'll thank yourself in the end.

Hey thanks a lot for your response! I guess I just have to do some more research, and pick the school that best suits me

 

[angryazn88]

I am from Virginia. LECOM ERIE has many rotations in New York, and those rotations are open to LECOM-B students, but the LECOM-E students get first pick. That being said, there's always tons of left overs.

The better option usually, is to set them up yourself. Just find a doc in whatever specialty you need willing to take you. It hasn't been much of a problem, a few cold calls or emails and eventually someone says yes.

I have many classmates doing rotations in NYC, but I don't know many details besides that it's been very possible for more than a few people in my class. I have one very good friend doing pretty much all of his rotations in NYC because that's where his fiance is doing her residency...wasn't too hard.

Sorry I don't know more details, but I've never looked into it, since I have a family and don't want to be away from them, although I love NYC!

thanks for the info, i really appreciate it!

 

[ronaldo23]

Hey,

I am having a tough time deciding between the two. I really liked LECOM Bradenton PBL curriculum, but I would not mind having lecture at TouroCOM NY. TouroCOM NY location is much more convenient for my wife and myself. We would not have to move and that would take a load of stress off my shoulders. I understand that where ever I goto school I have to study hard, and stay focused and that is not the problem. I am just worried about rotations, TouroCOM NY. I would really appreciate it if students from both school, could give me some advice (mostly about the rotations and their experiences) ASAP! I have about 2.5 weeks to pay a deposit and I really wanted to avoid paying multiple deposits. I know that 3, 4th yr students at TouroCOM may have different opinions than the 1st and 2nd yrs student about their pre clinical yrs, but I would really appreciate it if we could keep the conversation to the clinical yrs. Please help!

LECOM. When you hear that name Touro...generally, run. Run as fast as you can and never look back.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

LECOM. When you hear that name Touro...generally, run. Run as fast as you can and never look back.

Unless it's Touro-NV.

 

[ejay1518]

For the class of 2013, half of TouroCOM's 3rd year rotations locations are in NJ. The ones in NY are in Staten Island and Brooklyn. The 3rd and 4th years I have spoken to, all like their rotations. They get to do a lot of procedures and get a lot opportunities; the physicians they work with are helpful and make sure the students are learning. They feel like they are doing on par or better than the students they rotate with from other schools. I don't know where you live but there are also places where you can do your entire 3rd year in one place. If you live in the city you can commute to the rotations in NJ (not all the NJ locations but if you choose the right ones) or SI or Brooklyn if you are willing to and you would not have to move at all.

 

[selfhealer]

Unless it's Touro-NV.

Why do you say this? Is Touro-NV considered the best of the Touros?

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Why do you say this? Is Touro-NV considered the best of the Touros?

Touro-NV is considered the better option when compared to all the other Touros, but then again this is an opinion so take it for what it's worth.

 

[selfhealer]

Touro-NV is considered the better option when compared to all the other Touros, but then again this is an opinion so take it for what it's worth.

Hmmm. I was recently accepted at Touro-NV and high waitlisted at Touro-CA. I actually loved Touro-CA and was really hoping for an acceptance.

I keep hearing conflicting info regarding the Touro schools. Some people seem to hold these schools in fairly low esteem, others talk about their great stats and suggest that they are some of the best DO schools out there.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Hmmm. I was recently accepted at Touro-NV and high waitlisted at Touro-CA. I actually loved Touro-CA and was really hoping for an acceptance.

I keep hearing conflicting info regarding the Touro schools. Some people seem to hold these schools in fairly low esteem, others talk about their great stats and suggest that they are some of the best DO schools out there.

Forget about opinions and focus on researching both schools extensively to determine which would be a better fit for yourself.