LECOM gross lab attire

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Hey

SO what do we have to wear during gross lab? They never mentioned anything during orientation.

I know we need a lab coat....

Are we allowed to wear sneakers in gross lab?

What else?
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Hey Becky-- I was told we had to buy our own gloves too. Don't know about the shoes though....
 
How much are the gloves at the bookstore?

I know you can get them at Sams Club...
 
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The gloves at the bookstore run $10-$12 as I recall. You will also need to buy your own scalpel blades, but they'll give you the rundown on that on Monday.

As far as clothing goes, I would wear a T shirt and nylon warm up pants. They don't pick up the gross lab smell as quickly as knit pants. Jeans and scrubs are an absolute no-no in the Lecom gross lab. Also, for the females, I recommend bringing something to tie your hair back. I forgot several times, and it's really annoying to have your hair in the way.

Another helpful hint... invest in lots of shampoo. During gross, I averaged 2-3 showers a day. As soon as I walked in the door, my husband just pointed at the shower and said, "Go!" I guess you just don't get used to the smell. I'm glad it's you guys and not me!!! 😛

Get your rest this weekend. You hit the ground running on Monday morning!
 
Will they formally address what we can and cannot wear in Gross lab sometime this week? Everything I seem to hear revolves around a T-shirt and then some sort of pant that isn't a scrub or jean. But I also heard we could wear nylon shorts in OMM(which I had already bought) and we can't.

Dr_sax
 
Here's the deal on the attire:

For anatomy lab, you are supposed to wear some sort of pant as some other people mentioned. The men were told to wear old slacks or khakis, and I would imagine the same would be true for females. They never seemed to care too much as long as it wasn't shorts. I wore a pair of old khakis the entire time and an old pair of sneakers. As for shirts, I just wore an old T-shirt. Do not wear open-toed shoes. Some students would wear their LECOM attire to prosections. Whether they allow running pants/wind pants, I really don't know. I would think you could get away with it, but if Dr. Buck hasn't told you already, that talk is coming.

For OMM, you are allowed to come to class in the morning dressed in your OMM lab attire. The attire for OMM is cotton shorts and a T-shirt (females have to wear a sports bra). You are allowed to wear nylon pants (running pants, whatever you call them) overtop of your cotton shorts, but must be able to take off the pants and have the shorts underneath. The same is true of wearing a sweatshirt when it gets colder out. When you come back in the afternoon after your morning of OMM, you must be in LECOM dress code.

See you later today.

njdo
 
Well I'm sure since we're only prosecting, the process and attire won't be too much of an issue.
 
They used to allow scrubs in lab, according to gross faculty. Unfortunately, some students tried to get away with wearing scrubs to lecture, and now they no longer allow them at LECOM.
 
More for my own curiosity, what exactly is the "LECOM Dress Code" for lectures. Rumor has it, one of my classmates came close to going there, that LECOM mandates shirt & tie level of attire for lectures and used to want a similar level of dress for gross lab. Again, that was second-hand gossip...but I would like to know the real skinny.

And, since I am taking the liberty of voicing my query, I will also slide in my opinion. I think that it is silly & extremely pretentious (sp?) to require that you play dress up as a student. Most anyone you ask who supports this credo purports that it begins to instill a concept of professionalism. Ya know, professionalism is a passion, a commitment to excel in your capacity as a professional, to always give 110% of yourself and to always provide a product that is the highest quality that you can feasibly provide to your client. To imply that dressing up all pretty-like somehow enhances the level of quality borders on ludicrous & is, in essence, offensive.

To insinuate that someone who does not share my level of commitment to quality of care for my patients is somehow "more of a professional" by wearing a piece of knotted cloth around their neck gauls me to no end. You know, if you put a tie on a turd - you still only have a turd with a tie on it...it is no more of a turd & certainly does not rate "professional turd" merely for the presence of the tie.

Same goes for physicians & medical students...your capacity to be a quality physician or student is not enhanced one iota by wearing clothes that your mother would have picked out for you.

I apologize if I appear a bit overzealous in my input. But, hell...I am post-call, tired and felt like venting a smidgen!
 
I just started at LECOM today so here's the dress code. From 8-4:30/5 PM, M-F, the professional dress is required. For men, you must wear dress slacks(I wear Dockers as do most men I've noticed), dress shirt with tie. If you don't have a tie, you are told to go home and get one(the dress code is much more strict for the men). For women, you can wear anything you can get away with- no jeans.

The attire for gross lab is pretty much anything but jeans, shorts or scrubs. I plan to wear an old pair of khakis and a t-shirt. Lab coat is provided. Yes, I know, why can't we wear scrubs? Oh my God, what do you mean you can't wear scrubs in lab? Well, we can't because people started wearing them in lecture too, which obviously was forbidden, so that freedom was taken away. LECOM is just like that.

I can't say I like the dress code, but it's not too much of a hinderance...but I also wasn't one of those people that came to undergrad classes in pajamas(and/or drunk). For me, I'm in LECOM's PBL pathway so after October, I come to school less and don't have to worry so much about LECOM's policies- oh, we also have mandatory attendence for lectures....comments? 😀

Back to studying gross,
Dr_sax


Oh, and in case you're curious, LECOM's official reason why we dress up is because of the attitude it instills in us and in those around us. So if we look professional, we feel professional and are perceived that way. I didn't write it- I just live it.
 
being an MSIII at lecom and living the rules for 2 years, I can say that its just something you put up with. I really didnt follow them my MSII year....skipped most classes to study for school or boards, and when I did show up I was not in dress code. It wasnt that big of deal...I even passed the dean numerous times without a tie on...and she only noticed once (I did keep an old tie in my locker for such occasions). Most of the staff does not care and will not make a fuss if you are out of dress code...only selected individuals...
On the plus side of the dress code....it did force me to start buying shirts, pants, ties, etc. I would be in a heap of trouble on rotations if not for my first two years of school at lecom. I hate wearing the stuff (as a bodybuilder Ive got an 18+in neck and 32/33 sleeve...which they dont make) so I didnt own much before attending lecom. Now I do.
Basically I say just deal with the rules until you learn the way to get by them.
stomper
 
Originally posted by OldManDave
To insinuate that someone who does not share my level of commitment to quality of care for my patients is somehow "more of a professional" by wearing a piece of knotted cloth around their neck gauls me to no end. You know, if you put a tie on a turd - you still only have a turd with a tie on it...it is no more of a turd & certainly does not rate "professional turd" merely for the presence of the tie.
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That cracked me up, OldManDave! "Professional turd..."

I'm not sure about the LECOM dress code making us more professional, but I do agree with stomper that it has come in handy for rotations because we already have a bunch of dress clothes. Before I started at LECOM I only had a few pairs of dress pants and a few skirts.

I have at times thought the dress code is stupid, but after a while you get to the point where you just don't care. Usually the string of events is...wearing LECOM dress code --> wearing clothes in which you aren't in the dress code but you look like you are --> wearing clothes that aren't in dress code and not caring if you look like you are in dress code or not. By the end nobody in our class really cared. Studying for boards was more important than being in dress code. And most of the professors didn't really care.

All in all, I guess the dress code is not a big deal. After a while, it becomes second nature to dress up. For the most part, the dress code at LECOM served as a way for me to add more clothes to my closet...😀
 
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The funny thing about dress at LECOM is that the dean is often in sweat pants and sneakers.....

Don't complain about the policies too much...You'll soon find out that you're wasting your breath

Go to the salvation army thrift store on upper Peach Street and buy the cheapest ugliest clothes you can find....you will cerimoniously burn them at the end of Gross. You'll be OK as long as you're not wearing sandals or shorts

Tips for Anatomy for new students:

DO NOT TOUCH anything on the bodies during practical exams....Dr. Buck almost busted a nut during a practical....scared the **** out of me

Buy the Netter atlas (The Rohen is great for "real life" pictures)

Listen to Dr. Kreuger when he tells you what is going to be tagged.


Don't forget to learn the x-rays and bones

Most of you will suck at the first written exam....There will then be rumors (started by the gunners in your class) that you are the stupidest class at LECOM...don't believe them...or any other rumor you ever hear at LECOM

Don't forget about embryology..It WILL come back to bite you in the *ss

And some overall comments.....


Don't believe anyone who tells you they're not overwhelmed in the first semester of medical school....Anyone who brags about how well they're doing is lying about something...Many of you will feel like quitting...that's normal. Just do your best, study every day, and take time out to have a life. Try to do well, but don't get psycho about grades. Remember that in five years no one will care what you got on your anatomy praticals.
 
Here's an even better idea... Ask Dr. Krueger what's going to be tagged on the practicals. He will give you several hints that you will undoubtedly need!!!
 
After working in the Engineering profession for 12 years, I came to the conclusion that ties are just corporate phallic symbols.

My favorite ex-boss told me on my first day of work that he didn't want to see me wear a tie unless there were customers stopping by to visit. He figured that a comfortable person was better able to concentrate on the task at hand rather than being uncomfortable or worrying if they were getting dirty. Our department designed a boatload (literally) of patents and inovations, as well as making the customer VERY happy.

IMO, professionalism should come from within. I have dealt with uber-jackasses in $800 suits that couldn't engineer a way to get piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel. These very same weens were the cause of complaints from customers that felt they weren't being listened too. . . not very professional.

Dave,
Nice touch with the turd analogy! :laugh: Hope your PGY1 is going great!

racerx
 
Can anyone give me some insight about how the anatomy questions are phrased? Are they fairly direct or do you need to "think" about it?
I read some of Dr. Krueger's "questions" in his book and they were VERY straight forward. But that was embryo.

Dr_sax
 
Did anyone read that article (I think in The British Journal of Ophthalmology ) about the study, which says wearing a tight necktie can increase your chances of developing glaucoma? I think it said something about increasing the blood pressure in the eye, a risk factor for the disease.
 
Hello everone on this board. My name is Jason, and I will be arriving at KC on the 9th of August, just barely in time for the orientation! I just have a few questions that I need to ask, what is the dress code for the orienation (I vaguely remember that it might be suit and tie, and it will be pretty hot), also when and where.

Thanks


Jason
 
Oh my. This is REALLY embarrassing. I posted it on the wrong thread!
 
so hit edit, and then hit delete, and like magic your post is gone.
 
Dr. Sax -

I recommend talking to an MSII and getting copies of old tests. They are incredibly helpful when reviewing for a test.

Also, Office Max has a special rate for Lecom students, so I recommend doing your copying there.

If you don't know anyone in the MSII class, PM me and I'll let you copy off my exams... I have exam questions from the last several years.
 
Originally posted by DOrk
don't believe them...or any other rumor you ever hear at LECOM
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I think this is one of the biggest lessons the new MS-I's should learn. Don't believe anything of what your classmates say! 99.9% of the time it is a rumor. (My fellow MS-IIIs remember the rumor about the brachial plexus quiz..)
 
Oh my God.... we can't wear scrubs to lab!!! Lets all burn down the school!! No, better yet, lets just forget about it!!! That's life.... we have to live with it!!! And for those of you who CANNOT BELIEVE IT, just be happy for yourselves that you AREN'T here and while you're at it, remember to pity us for such injustices! Alls I'm sayin is that it could be worse....
 
well, now not only can we not wear scrubs, we have to wear collared shirts, too. and since most of us like to leave our smelly lab clothes in our lockers, this means we have to wear khakis and a collared shirt when we enter the building, and then change into our lab khakis and shirt for lab, and then change back out of them to go home! a big THANK YOU to all those people who tried to be smeaky and wear jeans into lab this morning! c'mon guys, at the very least wear sweats so you can lie and say you were going to work out! (although i'm sure the next mandate from sylvia will require business attire to the fitness center . . . ) i keep seeing girls in flip flops and i get nervous that someone's going to decide to enforce the pantyhose rule!
 
If you are a woman at LECOM there really is no dress code. You will soon learn that you can where anything you want and can walk in from of dean Silvia and she will say nothing about it. However, if you are a man, she will comment if you dont have a tie on (but if youre smooth youll learn to keep one in your locker and get to class "before" 8am--dress code isnt in effect until 8am), and you can easily walk by everyone at the front and not be called out for dress code!!
stomper
 
And as for the collared shirt and khakis thing for lab - all I have to say is 😕 I don't think I ever wore either of those things to lab - I almost always wore some sort of old T-shirt and a pair of sweatpants or something. Just because Dr. Buck shows that picture of what is appropriate lab attire, doesn't mean everyone has to wear that exact outfit...
 
Apparently, Dr. Silvia walked into this morning's lab and discovered that many people didn't have polo shirts on. She then recited the LECOM lab dress code to them. If someone was actually there at 8AM, make sure I have this right. So when I came in a 9AM, Dr. Buck made it a point to inform us all about it. What exactly does the extra collar do? Someone tell me 😀

Dr_sax
 
Please tell me you're kidding, Dr_sax. 🙄 Boy, they must be cracking down on you more than they did on us!
 
Susan Lazzaro actually got up in front of our class and said that if we want to wear open-toe shoes we have to have on pantyhose or socks. Tell me please, how are socks and sandals more professional? I think it would be damn funny if we all started wearing sandals with, like, black tube socks. It would prove the point. I say just tell us we can't wear them period.

PS I lived in my Birks and Reef flipflops all last fall and spring and no one ever said a word. This new rule is really annoying. Oh well, one more thing I guess. No big deal.
 
no scrubs??? i can't think of a type of clothing more perfectly made for anatomy (or anything medical for that matter) than scrubs. I'll burn those before a polo shirt!

so what is the punishment for wearing something a bit more comfy than a polo shirt?? expulsion?? would they will really stop you from becoming a doc and giving their school a reputation because you are an ADULT in tevas??
 
No offense, but if you don't go to LECOM, don't chime in. We've all heard the rants and opinions of everyone who doesn't go to the school. Let the people who DO go to LECOM deal with it.

Good-night and good luck to you all tomorrow.

Dr_Sax
 
Originally posted by Dr_sax
No offense, but if you don't go to LECOM, don't chime in.
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No offense taken, but as long as this remains a public forum people (myself included) will chime in on whatever topic we choose. Sorry.
 
yes, sir!!!
continue to bash my school at will, sir!
 
dr sax-- don't take any of what i've said (and others) personal....this isn't a bash against you or your school...i'm sure you will make a fine physician and lecom will make you such....

it's just i am suprised that a dress code is enforced on adults....eight graders i can understand...but i'm 26 and i'll wear what i want.
 
I am not bashing anything. I don't even think that a dress code for class is unwarranted. What I think is odd is that there is a code for labs as well. I don't know why scrubs aren't considered professional attire for the labs (as they are in the OR in the real world) and then back to shirt and tie for class (as my surgeon does when I see him in the office).
 
Dr sax,
these non lecomers are right....they will not expell you for being out of dress code....that is one thing I have been trying to get across. DONT STRESS SO MUCH OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!! And if they do try do make you look like an idiot in front of a crowd....use my line "if its more important to be in dress code, Ill take the time out of my studying, to go home and change. But if youre worried about my grades and board scores as much as I am, youll let me finish the day dressed this way, and Ill be in dress code later"
stomper
MSIII Lecom
 
This is what I mean by the MSI class pissing off the classes ahead of them. LECOM has a dress code for everything. Did you know if you shower in the locker room you still have to have a tie on???? Yes, it's true! It sucks. And it's not going to change. Deal with it. Either choose to follow, or be like the classes ahead of you and follow for a little bit, and then don't. Whatever the case, the people from other schools are right, it sucks. You're right, it sucks. Nothing wrong with other people chiming in, they have their opinions. It's only a big deal because you're making it a big deal. You're commenting about your school but then take offense when people from other schools make comments about the same thing you're complaining about. Deal with it. Study. And after two years of being at LECOM, I will pass on this piece of advice: Pick your battles. This is should not be one of them.
 
This is what I mean by the MSI class pissing off the classes ahead of them. LECOM has a dress code for everything. Did you know if you shower in the locker room you still have to have a tie on???? Yes, it's true! It sucks. And it's not going to change. Deal with it. Either choose to follow, or be like the classes ahead of you and follow for a little bit, and then don't. Whatever the case, the people from other schools are right, it sucks. You're right, it sucks. Nothing wrong with other people chiming in, they have their opinions. It's only a big deal because you're making it a big deal. You're commenting about your school but then take offense when people from other schools make comments about the same thing you're complaining about. Deal with it. Just study and you won't have to worry about Sylvia's sneakers pitter pattering behind you everywhere you go. And after two years of being at LECOM, I will pass on this piece of advice: Pick your battles and complaints, because you will have many, just like any other medical school. This is should not be one of them.

And by the way, I was just kidding about showering with the tie on...
 
randomdude, i wasn't stressing over the dress code, and i am pretty sure my fellow MSI dr sax wasn't stressing either. i will wear the mandated clothing without so much as a second thought. i was merely commenting on how it was pretty ballsy for some MSIs to wear jeans and crap into lab during the first week of school, and i was pointing out the consequences of their foolish actions . . . all MSIs on this site have figured out that MSIIs don't have the patience to listen to our whining. but frankly, most of us are still going to panic and post anyway, hoping for a sympathetic ear. so if you don't want to read our immature posts, well then, don't. and as far as those of you out there who don't go to lecom, lecom is great. i really like it. i like the professors, i like most of the staff, the people i've met are great, and i'm glad i'm here. however, the regulations are a little anal. hey- much like the real world. go figure.
 
I have a few things to say- apparently I need to clarify since everyone misinterpreted what I said. I'm sorry I ruffled so many feathers.

1) Not once have I voiced an adamant objection to the dress code or any LECOM policies for that matter. I haven't whined, complained or anything. Search my posts to verify this fact(I was actually very defensive of LECOM when hypocrites2006 attacked it-notice my spelling 😀). My sole purpose in coming to SDN and posting here is to receive valuable advice from MS-IIs and IIIs. It has never been nor will it ever be my intention to use this forum to bitch and moan about LECOM. Some of you like stomper, DOtobe, njdo, sddoc and hermione are very nice people and I repect your opinions. My only reason-ONLY- for making a comment about the lab dress code was that I'm very poor right now and I didn't want to go through another shirt for lab if I didn't have to. I've already bought $1000+ clothes for lecture...bitching about THAT now is pretty pointless. I like dressing up in fact. Always have- makes me look thinner. 😀

2) My suggestion that non-LECOM people please not post was just that- a suggestion. I'm well aware that this is a public forum and anyone can say or do whatever they want. I said it because I felt that adding outside opinions to a school-specific thread, especially in the case of this thread, was becoming redundant. All of the posts could be summarized as "I don't understand your dress code- it makes no sense to me." I've read many threads about particular schools hosting particular events, for example, and thinking those events were dumb. But I chose not to reply because my opinion wasn't really warranted in those instances.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I just had my first test of med school and I'm going to go veg out. 😀

The incredibly considerate and TOLERANT Dr_sax
 
Well put Dr_sax. Hope all the MSI's made out okay today. I heard the test wasn't too bad, so I hope that was the case. I'm headed to the Meet and Greet...see everyone there.

njdo
 
Dr Sax, you should not take on-line commentary so personally. I'm sure LECOM will provide you with an adequate education...nuff said.

However, your dear Dean Sylvia sure sounds like she has a burr up her @$$.
 
Originally posted by OldManDave
However, your dear Dean Sylvia sure sounds like she has a burr up her @$$.
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:laugh: :laugh:

This is a very true statement... 😀
 
Hey Do2be, where are you doing your rotations? We are supposed to choose our area by tomorrow and I really don't know what I want to do. I would like to leave Erie only to see someplace new, not because I hate it or anything. But then people say not to move to a brand new place AND start rotations...too much stress etc. I don't know what I want to do. Ug. You aren't in Pittsburg by chance, are you?
 
Man, maybe once I'm an MS-II people can stop telling me what to think....😀
 
Dr. Sax,
Id have to agree with OMD...and this is just something that will come with time through medical school, but you better have it by the time you get onto rotations. THICK SKIN. learn how to be made to feel stupid, look stupid without it "hurting your feelings". These are things that you will pick up during your 2 years of academic, but youll really become comfortable with it during clinicals.😀 This goes for the others that are taking things so much to heart as well. Lighten up. Youve got bigger worries that some posts on SDN....like making it through classes. Listen to advice, give it, but dont be insulted by it.
stomper
 
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