Lecom Match List Question

[Hoebo54]

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On LECOM's website they listed their 2007 match list:

A total of 179 LECOM Class of 2007 graduates have matched in the following programs:

Traditional Rotating - 64
Internal Medicine - 32
Family Practice - 26
Emergency Medicine - 18
Pediatrics - 11
Obstetrics - Gynecology - 7
General Surgery - 6
Pyschiatry - 5
Orthopedic Surgery - 4
Neurological Surgery - 3
Anesthesiology - 2
Diagnostic Radiology - 1
Pathology - 1



http://www.lecom.edu/pros_lecomlife.php


My question is why is there so many students there doing traditional rotations. 64 students!!! Most other school will have a few, why does LECOM have so many??

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

because to work in PA as a DO they must have the rotating internship, they might have only listed where they are going for the 1st year, but have matched into a program for the 2nd year

 

[allendo]

It depends on what specialty they are pursuing. Things like PM&R and Rads require a intern year before matching. This year you should see fewer of those since almost all specialties went to the linked intern year.

 

[lecom2011]

because to work in PA as a DO they must have the rotating internship, they might have only listed where they are going for the 1st year, but have matched into a program for the 2nd year

What? This is garbage. The rotating internship is not a requirement to work as a DO in PA. It is only required to be "certified" in osteopathy. The certification is not required to practice osteopathy. Just extra letters after the end of your name. Nor is the DO required, either apparantly. Harvard has recently held a weekend course to teach MDs how to do osteopathic manipulative techniques and of course a special lecture on how to bill for it.

 

[mikeyb01]

What? This is garbage. The rotating internship is not a requirement to work as a DO in PA. It is only required to be "certified" in osteopathy. The certification is not required to practice osteopathy. Just extra letters after the end of your name. Nor is the DO required, either apparantly. Harvard has recently held a weekend course to teach MDs how to do osteopathic manipulative techniques and of course a special lecture on how to bill for it.

Congrats on making it into the class of 2011 and finishing your first semester.

I'm not sure where this whole "certified in osteopathy" business comes from. As someone who is from PA and just graduated from medical school, I can tell you that an osteopathic rotating internship IS a requirement to practice in PA, OR you must appeal to the AOA and ask them to honor your MD/allopathic internship as a DO internship through Resolution 42 (google it). That is by no means a 'sure thing,' and, if you get denied, you will not be able to get a medical license in PA or one of the other four states.

Keep studying your physiology and microbiology.

 

[SomeDoc]

What? This is garbage. The rotating internship is not a requirement to work as a DO in PA. It is only required to be "certified" in osteopathy. The certification is not required to practice osteopathy. Just extra letters after the end of your name. Nor is the DO required, either apparantly. Harvard has recently held a weekend course to teach MDs how to do osteopathic manipulative techniques and of course a special lecture on how to bill for it.

If you intend on practicing in Pennsylvania, you will be in for a big surprise.

 

[GoBuckeyes913]

Congrats on making it into the class of 2011 and finishing your first semester.

I'm not sure where this whole "certified in osteopathy" business comes from. As someone who is from PA and just graduated from medical school, I can tell you that an osteopathic rotating internship IS a requirement to practice in PA, OR you must appeal to the AOA and ask them to honor your MD/allopathic internship as a DO internship through Resolution 42 (google it). That is by no means a 'sure thing,' and, if you get denied, you will not be able to get a medical license in PA or one of the other four states.

Keep studying your physiology and microbiology.

5 states that require an AOA intership for DO's to legally practice:
1. Florida
2. West Virginia
3. Pennsylvania
4. Michigan
5. Oklahoma

 

[Lamborghini1315]

5 states that require an AOA intership for DO's to legally practice:
1. Florida
2. West Virginia
3. Pennsylvania
4. Michigan
5. Oklahoma

Oh interesting, i didn't know PA is one of the states..

 

[DrMidlife]

Since nobody's mentioned it, and since it's new, here's the 3-tiered structure of DO residencies vs. required internships: http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/Attention_Students-Match_Information.pdf

What I believe this means is that there are a bunch of DO residencies that include the 5-state-required intern year.

What I still don't understand yet is how one plays this internship game, in one of the 5 states, if one is pursuing ACGME residencies. I'm reading rule 42 (and rule 19) and I still don't have a sense of what's the prudent plan. Is it safe to assume that one can arbitrarily go off and do whatever ACGME residency one wants to do, and that the AOA will suck it up and approve this via re-entry? Or, in one of the 5 states, is it more prudent to just do an intern year prior to doing the ACGME match, just to be safe?

If one wants to do an ACGME residency which requires a transitional intern year, can one do an AOA transitional year for an ACGME residency?

 

[mikeyb01]

Since nobody's mentioned it, and since it's new, here's the 3-tiered structure of DO residencies vs. required internships: http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/Attention_Students-Match_Information.pdf

What I believe this means is that there are a bunch of DO residencies that include the 5-state-required intern year.

What I still don't understand yet is how one plays this internship game, in one of the 5 states, if one is pursuing ACGME residencies. I'm reading rule 42 (and rule 19) and I still don't have a sense of what's the prudent plan. Is it safe to assume that one can arbitrarily go off and do whatever ACGME residency one wants to do, and that the AOA will suck it up and approve this via re-entry? Or, in one of the 5 states, is it more prudent to just do an intern year prior to doing the ACGME match, just to be safe?

If one wants to do an ACGME residency which requires a transitional intern year, can one do an AOA transitional year for an ACGME residency?

All DO/osteopathic residencies include, in some form, the traditional rotating internship that will fulfill this obligation and allow you to practice in one of the five states. So, if you are planning on doing an AOA residency, you're set.

If you're like an increasing number of us who have chosen, for one reason or another, to take an ACGME accredited residency position instead, then you'll need to take measures to try to sway the AOA to accept it as comparable. Or, another option is to do an AOA internship and then an MD residency.

As someone who is nearing the home stretch of internship (of an ACGME/MD residency), I will cheerfully admit that I would not be interested in doing internship twice 🙂 While it is a sure-thing for getting AOA approval to practice in one of the five states, I wasn't willing to add an additional year of training to what could already be anywhere from three to eight post-graduate years.

That's where Res 42 comes in. Fortunately or unfortunately, it has come under scrutiny in the last year or so because the approval rating is something like 90-95% (don't quote me, but I'm almost certain it is in the 90s). There was a trend described in one of the DO magazines that the number of applications for Res 42 is increasing while the number of unfilled AOA residency slots continues to climb as well (particularly in IM, FP). Some people are arguing that we would be more likely to stay within the osteopathic profession if the forces-that-be at the AOA would reject more applications. Many people argue that those matching outside of the osteopathic residencies represent those with the highest grades and board scores which creates even more unrest for the big-guns in our profession 🙂 That's another discussion all together.

 

[lecom2011]

Well I apologize if I am incorrect, but I can't help but question this since what I said came directly from Dr. Evans at LECOM.

 

[DrMidlife]

Well I apologize if I am incorrect, but I can't help but question this since what I said came directly from Dr. Evans at LECOM.

If he didn't also guarantee that he'll personally escort your rule 42 petition, to allow you re-entry after your non-conforming ACGME residency, through the AOA approval process, then you might want to broaden your information base.

Or at least show him this thread and ask him directly what he meant.

Plus you're always allowed to read the rules from AOA: http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/Attention_Students-Match_Information.pdf

 

[lecom2011]

I was just about to post the same information and you beat me to it🙂
Here is is anyways...
https://do-online.org/index.cfm?au=D&PageId=edu_main&SubPageId=sir_postdoc

PA only requires that you complete an AOA approved internship, NOT that you must complete a traditional rotating internship, to be licensed for practice in the state. As you can see on the site that you shared with that link, there are 3 options, as your post lists, and traditional rotating is ONE of them, which you would pursue if you were going into one of 4 programs (derm, physical med & rehab, public health and preventive med, and proctology)

The OP asked why so many LECOM grads are listed as matched into "traditional rotating" and the first person to reply stated that it is because the traditional rotating residency is required for everyone on the list to work in PA. Not true.

 

[J1515]

PA only requires that you complete an AOA approved internship, NOT that you must complete a traditional rotating internship, to be licensed for practice in the state.

The OP asked why so many LECOM grads are listed as matched into "traditional rotating" and the first person to reply stated that it is because the traditional rotating residency is required for everyone on the list to work in PA. Not true.

The other AOA approved residencies have the one year traditional rotating internship built into them, hence why all osteopathic emergency medicine residencies are 4 years long, while some allopathics are 3 years. The rotating internship can either be done separately from the rest of the residency or it can be linked to the residency. It is still required to practice in those five states as a DO.

 

[Fin-Nor]

I was just about to post the same information and you beat me to it🙂
Here is is anyways...
https://do-online.org/index.cfm?au=D&PageId=edu_main&SubPageId=sir_postdoc

PA only requires that you complete an AOA approved internship, NOT that you must complete a traditional rotating internship, to be licensed for practice in the state. As you can see on the site that you shared with that link, there are 3 options, as your post lists, and traditional rotating is ONE of them, which you would pursue if you were going into one of 4 programs (derm, physical med & rehab, public health and preventive med, and proctology)

The OP asked why so many LECOM grads are listed as matched into "traditional rotating" and the first person to reply stated that it is because the traditional rotating residency is required for everyone on the list to work in PA. Not true.

either do a DO residency or DO traditional rotating internship or petition for resolution 42 to gain working priviledges in those 5 states.

end of story.