LECOM or LMU-DCOM?

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I have been accepted to LECOM-E for PBL and LMU-DCOM, I also feel fairly confident that I will be switched from wait list to acceptance at LECOM-B as I interviewed there very early. My question is this: which school is better connected for clinical rotations and therefore residency placement? I know I like the PBL idea better than the lecture idea, and I definitely liked the atmosphere and facilities better at LMU, so it's basically down to which school is better connected. I know LECOM has good connections, and LMU is new, so normally I would think that they wouldn't have very good connections, but their dean is the President of the AOA and they have several former deans of other med schools on faculty, also Mr. DeBusk is the founder of DeRoyal Industries (a major medical supplies company), so will their connections help their students get good clinical rotations? Anyone with good info on this topic please please help me out!
 
I have been accepted to LECOM-E for PBL and LMU-DCOM, I also feel fairly confident that I will be switched from wait list to acceptance at LECOM-B as I interviewed there very early. My question is this: which school is better connected for clinical rotations and therefore residency placement? I know I like the PBL idea better than the lecture idea, and I definitely liked the atmosphere and facilities better at LMU, so it's basically down to which school is better connected. I know LECOM has good connections, and LMU is new, so normally I would think that they wouldn't have very good connections, but their dean is the President of the AOA and they have several former deans of other med schools on faculty, also Mr. DeBusk is the founder of DeRoyal Industries (a major medical supplies company), so will their connections help their students get good clinical rotations? Anyone with good info on this topic please please help me out!

1) president elect. You all keep confusing me by calling him the president. Marty Levine is the president. Stowers doesn't take over for another 7-8 months.

2) if you're asking "better connected for residency/rotations" LECOM. 99 times out of 100, LECOM. No doubt about it LECOM. There are advantages to LMU and there are disadvatnages to LECOM. But if you've narrowed it down to who gives you the most in the rotation/residency/name value fields, then its LECOM by a mile.
 
I have been accepted to LECOM-E for PBL and LMU-DCOM, I also feel fairly confident that I will be switched from wait list to acceptance at LECOM-B as I interviewed there very early. My question is this: which school is better connected for clinical rotations and therefore residency placement? I know I like the PBL idea better than the lecture idea, and I definitely liked the atmosphere and facilities better at LMU, so it's basically down to which school is better connected. I know LECOM has good connections, and LMU is new, so normally I would think that they wouldn't have very good connections, but their dean is the President of the AOA and they have several former deans of other med schools on faculty, also Mr. DeBusk is the founder of DeRoyal Industries (a major medical supplies company), so will their connections help their students get good clinical rotations? Anyone with good info on this topic please please help me out!

LMU-DCOM impressed me so much that I withdrew my interview invite at LECOM and several other schools as well.
 
Also, here is some information from a M2 at LECOM. He states in his post that their rotations are not the best, unless you go out of your way to find them yourself.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=853226

Personally I have no idea, and prior to reading his post I would have assumed that LECOM had better rotations than LMU-DCOM. But just something to think about from a student who attends LECOM.
 
I would probably go with LECOM...either Erie or Bradenton. LMU is far from civilization and for some reason they think their technology is 'state of the art'. I had the same 'technology' at my middle school, minus the SimMan of course.

LECOM has been around longer and has a more established reputation. Much lower tuition and higher board pass rates than LMU. Bradenton has a beach...Harrogate has a dollar theatre and a Wal-Mart.

*prepares for LMU students posting a page about why LMU is the best school ever*
 
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Also, here is some information from a M2 at LECOM. He states in his post that their rotations are not the best, unless you go out of your way to find them yourself.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=853226

Personally I have no idea, and prior to reading his post I would have assumed that LECOM had better rotations than LMU-DCOM. But just something to think about from a student who attends LECOM.

I am also an MSII at LECOM...

Just want to point out, that there are both good and bad rotations at LECOM.... as there are at all schools.
Doing some research will point you toward the better ones...

If you want the freedom to go many different places or a particular area for rotations, you will likely have that opportunity if you do the footwork (if its an area that LECOM hasn't already set up). But we are still getting emails announcing hospitals that have become core affiliates...

The most difficult part about rotations at LECOM is the selection process because all the students are involved... However this is the price you pay for getting to choose your rotations.

Obviously I don't know anything about LMU but, if you prefer PBL, I'd say your decision is made for you. Thats far more important than the facilities... At least in my opinion.
 
I would probably go with LECOM...either Erie or Bradenton. LMU is far from civilization and for some reason they think their technology is 'state of the art'. I had the same 'technology' at my middle school, minus the SimMan of course.

LECOM has been around longer and has a more established reputation. Much lower tuition and higher board pass rates than LMU. Bradenton has a beach...Harrogate has a dollar theatre and a Wal-Mart.

*prepares for LMU students posting a page about why LMU is the best school ever*

No reason to be a jerk.

I attended interviews at DMU, University of Wisconsin (ranked 26th MD), and LMU-DCOM and withdrew from the rest. LMU-DCOM was without a doubt the most technologically advanced (you must of had a kick butt middle school). Not even University of Wisconsin came close to impressing me as much as LMU-DCOM (technology, facilities, and atmosphere-wise; As far as research-University of Wisconsin wins hands down).

As far as LMU being the best school ever....OH MY GOSH, OH MY GOSH, LMU IS THE BEST SCHOOL EVER (yelled in my three year old voice).
 
I am also an MSII at LECOM...

Just want to point out, that there are both good and bad rotations at LECOM.... as there are at all schools.
Doing some research will point you toward the better ones...

If you want the freedom to go many different places or a particular area for rotations, you will likely have that opportunity if you do the footwork (if its an area that LECOM hasn't already set up). But we are still getting emails announcing hospitals that have become core affiliates...

The most difficult part about rotations at LECOM is the selection process because all the students are involved... However this is the price you pay for getting to choose your rotations.

Obviously I don't know anything about LMU but, if you prefer PBL, I'd say your decision is made for you. Thats far more important than the facilities... At least in my opinion.

Thank you for contributing to the thread from a knowledgable perspective instead of just bashing other schools...🙂
 
As someone who interviewed at both but ultimately decided on DMU I say LMU. I just thought it would be a better place to attend of the two. Better facilities and a much better environment.
 
Definitely LECOM especially after I responded to your PM (and to which I received a terse reply). So LECOM will fit your personality better.
 
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I'm removing this post cause it was out of emotion from the fact that lecom gets absolutely destroyed on this site. I have nothing but love for dcom and think its great. I don't want people to get the wrong idea which this post seemed to have done.
 
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I can't believe that people are honestly saying that lmu is a superior school than lecom. Yes lmu is a great school, has done very well but still has a long way. As someone who has interviewed at both and has had to make this exact decision and chose lecom.

Frankly I'm kind of insulted that people bash lecom all the time on this site and with the fact that dcom has so many supporters makes it even worse.

You need to make an educated decision and this is what I had to do. Look at the price difference. Their cost ofattendance difference is roughly a ten thousand dollar difference. Now multiply that by four. Then look at how much dcom has increased tuition over the last year. 5%. Look at how much lecom has...1%. You do the math. Your looking at almost sixty grand after interest etc.

Then let's factor in this oh so precious technology that EVERYONE takes into account. How much does technology factor into your residency placement and board scores? ZERO. Technology is great for luring premeds into going to someones school. Now,

On to rotations. Check out the rotations for the schools on their websites. You'll notice that lecom students rotate at some amazing teaching institutions in pittsburg, and cleveland and all around the state. Including philadelphia.

Let's look at dcom. Their rotations are good but nowhere near the league of lecoms. Way too many 70 bed hospitals and community medical centers. Which yes, you can get a better education at places like this but you want the other side of the scope also. This is to be expected as the school is five years old.

Now onto board scores. Dcoms first classes average was not that impressive. Than look at lecoms. Nuff said. Ill use my own lap top and go with non recorded lectures and mandatory attendance for those things alone thank you very much.

Oh and PA is a much friendlier state to DO's. Sorry if I came off a little angered but I'm sick of how people put down lecom on this site all the time and for the most part I keep my mouth shut. But please please you cannot honestly tell me that RIGHT NOW dcom is a better or more established school for residency than lecom. Give dcom a few more years and there is no doubt in my mind that it will be just as good and maybe better but not right now. There aren't even attending physicians in the field practicing from there.

I will reiterate. Dcom was my first choice and I wanted to attend there very badly. I love rural areas and want to practice rural medicine. Harrogate was right up my alley bbut I made this decision using my brain and not my heart. I feel like I will be getting a better education at a great price.

I am actually kind've surprised at your response here Yiot. I understand you chose LECOM, but to be upset that DCOM has a lot of supporters on this site shouldn't upset you. There are ups and downs to every school, and you have to find the one that fits you best. I am glad you found that with LECOM, but this post comes off sounding kind've nasty towards LMU when a year ago you were nothing but praise, and we were all rooting for you to get in.

To the OP: Obviously I don't know a whole lot about LECOM's rotations sites, and as a first year, I don't know a whole lot about them at LMU either. But, from what I have heard from upperclassmen, the school is very helpful in terms of getting rotations for electives and selectives basically wherever you want to go, and even as a new school is very well connected in and around TN. Obviously it is new, and it isn't going to have the reputation that LECOM does, but that can be good and bad. As for the other things, yes, Harrogate is a small town, and sometimes it does get kind've annoying not having a whole lot to do...but as someone who gets all sorts of ADD all over the place I am glad there aren't a lot of distractions. By far the best thing about the school are the teachers and the atmosphere. I definitely feel like the "family" atmosphere that they talk about during interviews isn't just talk. They really make you feel like you are a part of something special and that they want you to be there. I am not here trying to say DCOM is the best school ever OMG!!! EVERY OTHER SCHOOL SUCKS! Like I said before, it is important to find a school you feel comfortable at, and where you think you will thrive academically. If you do well, you will probably have the same opportunities coming from either school. Good luck with your decision.
 
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I am actually kind've surprised at your response here Yiot. I understand you chose LECOM, but to be upset that DCOM has a lot of supporters on this site shouldn't upset you. There are ups and downs to every school, and you have to find the one that fits you best. I am glad you found that with LECOM, but this post comes off sounding kind've nasty towards LMU when a year ago you were nothing but praise, and we were all rooting for you to get in.

To the OP: Obviously I don't know a whole lot about LECOM's rotations sites, and as a first year, I don't know a whole lot about them at LMU either. But, from what I have heard from upperclassmen, the school is very helpful in terms of getting rotations for electives and selectives basically wherever you want to go, and even as a new school is very well connected in and around TN. Obviously it is new, and it isn't going to have the reputation that LECOM does, but that can be good and bad. As for the other things, yes, Harrogate is a small town, and sometimes it does get kind've annoying not having a whole lot to do...but as someone who gets all sorts of ADD all over the place I am glad there aren't a lot of distractions. By far the best thing about the school are the teachers and the atmosphere. I definitely feel like the "family" atmosphere that they talk about during interviews isn't just talk. They really make you feel like you are a part of something special and that they want you to be there. I am not here trying to say DCOM is the best school ever OMG!!! EVERY OTHER SCHOOL SUCKS! Like I said before, it is important to find a school you feel comfortable at, and where you think you will thrive academically. If you do well, you will probably have the same opportunities coming from either school. Good luck with your decision.

I apologize and let me clarify by saying you are right and I can see where u would read into my response and respond in that way. Choosing LECOM over DCOM was an extremely difficult decision and I am not upset that there are people on this site that support the school, I was merely using it as a "pours salt on the wound" when it comes to this thread as there isn't much love when it comes to LECOM on this site.

DCOM was my top choice for a number of reasons. The administration and faculty are there to build this school up to as best as they can be. Trying to give it a great reputation.

Other factors included flexibility in your clinical years, the systems based curriculumn and for me Location. For the longest time I wanted to go here.

However the op came in stating he wanted to make this decision on reputation. That's a different factor all together.

I'm not gonna lie, the first time pass rates and national averages on the comlex for its first class at 91 % did not look good to me. Just mho but why I didn't take that into consideration is bc I know a lot of that is dependant on you. When it comes to rotation sites I'm sure that dcoms will provide you with an amazing, hands on education but I just believe that considering lecoms been around longer that theirs are more established.

Now I will state the primary reason behind my decision. MONEY. I'm sure you get a great education at dcom but its not cheap.

Dcom is a fabulous school and I would have been ecstatic to be a first year though. Saying that's its a better school than lecom is however difficult for me to agree with, purely just bc of how long the school has been around and if we were comparing pcom or nycom to lmu I would feel the same way

my entire interview day at dcom went very well except for the fact that I though my interviewer was a complete jerk. He was the opp professor. Unnecessarily so I might add. And that also turned me off. Everyone else however, the students, other faculty and admissions are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. And if they didn't waitlist or took me off the waitlist their for the class of 2015 I would have been honored to go there.
 
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I think the issue here is that we frequently bash LECOM because it should be an elite school. It really should be. Huge history, great (and i mean great) connections throughout the country, plenty of accomplished grads and good residency matches historically. But it underperforms expectations in every way from what I've heard in person and on here.

Now with that said, underperforming the expectation of elite status is not a totally bad thing. It simply doesnt reach its potential success. The school is still very strong, it just has flaws that it wont get over any time soon and got itself mired, reputation wise, well below where it should be, given its output. But it remains, despite lost potential, better than most DO schools out there and highly resource rich. LMU is getting a lot of hype. perhaps deserved, I've never seen it. BUT... its not in the same class as LECOM. It's not. Plain and simple. Feel free to accent the positives of LMU, as the OP may feel strongly that LMU is for him for intangible reasons (location, "fit", crush on a teacher, etc) and needs to understand that LMU is in no way a poor choice. Not at all. But if the OP lived in a bubble where only the resources the school can give matters, LECOM blows LMU out of the water.

But, as stated before, the world isnt such a bubble.
 
I've said this before on this board but there is something to be said about a school with 600+ students versus one with 150 students. The logistics of finding good rotations for that many people has to be difficult even if the school has been around for a long time. I didn't go either school but I have met students/residents from both. It just seems like LMU is much more invested in its students and eventually it will probably have stronger clinical sites. Whether or not that happens before you get to 3rd year is whats important to you though. But yea no matter what it would suck to live in rural TN.
 
I've said this before on this board but there is something to be said about a school with 600+ students versus one with 150 students. The logistics of finding good rotations for that many people has to be difficult even if the school has been around for a long time. I didn't go either school but I have met students/residents from both. It just seems like LMU is much more invested in its students and eventually it will probably have stronger clinical sites. Whether or not that happens before you get to 3rd year is whats important to you though. But yea no matter what it would suck to live in rural TN.

First of all there are people like myself would absolutely lovee to live in tn. your point that lecom has 600 plus students and therefore it is more invested in its students is bad bc dcom is already increasing its class size to well over 200 and it just got its accredidation.

Bam.

Look I'm not saying that lecoms perfect just not as bad as most people on this site view it to be.
 
I can't believe that people are honestly saying that lmu is a superior school than lecom. Yes lmu is a great school, has done very well but still has a long way. As someone who has interviewed at both and has had to make this exact decision and chose lecom.

Frankly I'm kind of insulted that people bash lecom all the time on this site and with the fact that dcom has so many supporters makes it even worse.

You need to make an educated decision and this is what I had to do. Look at the price difference. Their cost ofattendance difference is roughly a ten thousand dollar difference. Now multiply that by four. Then look at how much dcom has increased tuition over the last year. 5%. Look at how much lecom has...1%. You do the math. Your looking at almost sixty grand after interest etc.

Then let's factor in this oh so precious technology that EVERYONE takes into account. How much does technology factor into your residency placement and board scores? ZERO. Technology is great for luring premeds into going to someones school. Now,

On to rotations. Check out the rotations for the schools on their websites. You'll notice that lecom students rotate at some amazing teaching institutions in pittsburg, and cleveland and all around the state. Including philadelphia.

Let's look at dcom. Their rotations are good but nowhere near the league of lecoms. Way too many 70 bed hospitals and community medical centers. Which yes, you can get a better education at places like this but you want the other side of the scope also. This is to be expected as the school is five years old.

Now onto board scores. Dcoms first classes average was not that impressive. Than look at lecoms. Nuff said. Ill use my own lap top and go with non recorded lectures and mandatory attendance for those things alone thank you very much.

Oh and PA is a much friendlier state to DO's. Sorry if I came off a little angered but I'm sick of how people put down lecom on this site all the time and for the most part I keep my mouth shut. But please please you cannot honestly tell me that RIGHT NOW dcom is a better or more established school for residency than lecom. Give dcom a few more years and there is no doubt in my mind that it will be just as good and maybe better but not right now. There aren't even attending physicians in the field practicing from there.

I will reiterate. Dcom was my first choice and I wanted to attend there very badly. I love rural areas and want to practice rural medicine. Harrogate was right up my alley bbut I made this decision using my brain and not my heart. I feel like I will be getting a better education at a great price.
Definitely an interesting post considering your past posts...glad you followed it up with some more level headed responses as opposed to just venting about people dogging on LECOM. Don't sweat what people say about your school...they wanted you, that's all that matters.

As for your interview...I hate to say it, but you missed out on studying under someone who is outrageously skilled in OPP. Even if he does come across a little harsh along the way at times....he's seriously fantastic. 🙂



I'm going to go out on a limb and just say something wacky...med school is what you make of it. If you are particularly interested in one specialty for sure, and a certain city puts you in a location where you can get the best of the best in that specialty, fine. Go to that school. If you need to cut costs on tuition, fine, choose a cheaper school. And if you legitimately think you'll do best with PBL, then your decision is made! But from my lowly OMS-II perspective, I'm gonna go ahead and say that just because you rotate at an amazing hospital doesn't mean you'll have an amazing experience. Great hospital does not necessarily equate out to great doctors in every case...some of our students RAVE about these experiences at little ol' 70 bed hospitals (you certainly are the first assist in nearly every situation it seems...) Investigate the pros and cons for sure of each school you're considering, but when it comes down to it, go where it felt right. The things that seem so life-altering now will honestly not be as big of a deal in the long run. Besides, every program has its good and bad.

As for DCOM- I know that our 3rd years almost unanimously post positive experiences with their preceptors. As for connections, in my opinion, it has VERY little to do with the age of the program. To me, it's much more important to look at your faculty. Our faculty are VERY well connected. Even the few that will have left by the time you arrive would do whatever they could to help you if you want to utilize their connections- it's just the kind of family we have here. Plus, having such a young grad class entering the field has proven to be really beneficial. The new interns came back for our "Hospital Day" program and many expressed willingness to do whatever they could do to help us in our future endeavors.

My little spiel is basically always the same...if you're wanting to do residency in derm at Harvard, yes, reputation is likely going to play a role. But honestly, YOU are going to be what determines whether or not you get what you want out of all this. Don't count on riding on the coat tails of all those before you all the time...it will get you nowhere.

Good luck in making your decision...at the end of the day, with all these debates and posts, just remember that either way, you're gonna save lives regardless of where you went to school 🙂
 
Doc espanyia said exactly what I'm trying to convey. Thanks
 
The only legitimate argument I have heard in favor of LECOM is the price of tuition (and I will admit that this is a huge issue -ten thousand per year). I almost based my decision to attend school at LECOM over LMU soley based off tuition alone.

I am not buying the whole rotations are better bit. You can argue this until you are blue in the face, but I dont necessarily agree. Or that there are more connections at LECOM, I mean Dr. Stowers is about to be president of the AOA, so LMU is about to be on the map (if it isnt already). Personally I will be getting selected for my residency via the Navy, which has a different criteria anyways, so connections arent quite as important for me regardless, but that really doesnt apply to this thread.

I understand that the general consensus is that LECOM is superior to LMU, but DOCESPANA, there is absolutely no way you can say with certainty that this is true. You must also be one of those scientists who readily accept theories as scientific fact.

Anyways, op, make whatever decision feels best to you.

This was posted via my phone, so if there are spelling/grammatical errors I apologize.
 
LMU-DCOM impressed me so much that I withdrew my interview invite at LECOM and several other schools as well.

wait wait? u said u withdrew at LECOM but then u said "I almost based my decision to attend school at LECOM over LMU soley based off tuition alone"

where you going?
 
wait wait? u said u withdrew at LECOM but then u said "I almost based my decision to attend school at LECOM over LMU soley based off tuition alone"

where you going?

I almost decided to attend my interview at LECOM soley based off tuition (still a big decision considering plane flights, hotels, etc.), but I was never accepted because I never attended the interview 🙂

I am still going to LMU and I hope you make it there Laiba!
 
hahaha how did I get dragged into this directly? I'm all for double bind studies, but when they aren't available I'll take cohort studies every time. There are simply 1) more hospitals available in 2) more generally-desirable locations with 3) a reputation. A cohort study relies (a little bit) on the correlation-causality fallacy. So it could later be wrong if the results turn out to be better corrolated with something else, but the analysis is only as good as the data out there right now.

The connections are absolutely there. To argue otherwise is silly. BUT what the school gives you, resource-wise, is far from everything. You are 75% of your success The school is probably 15% and people you know are 10%. And this isnt a 15% vs 0% deal either. I fully encourage you to take pride in LMU, and argue against me. Intangibles matter a lot, because they are what make you feel comfortable and willing to bust your ass day in and day out. Which is really what a med school needs to give you, the urge to work hard.

anyway.... i just wanted to expand on what other people were trying to say. Haha, I clearly am not the best one to talk since I'm from one of those new upstart schools and am all for using its success to herald the ability of new schools to succeed. BUT... I also feel realistic evaluation of where you actually stand is a vital skill too.

As for the AOA president-elect being there: it means absolutely nothing except that your dean will not be there an awful lot for a year. We've had a state society (allo+osteo) president and an AOA president as our deans. It literally brings nothing to the table and takes away your ability to see your dean for a full year. The lone upside is everyone is really excited to meet your dean for 365 days.
 
hahaha how did I get dragged into this directly? I'm all for double bind studies, but when they aren't available I'll take cohort studies every time. There are simply 1) more hospitals available in 2) more generally-desirable locations with 3) a reputation. A cohort study relies (a little bit) on the correlation-causality fallacy. So it could later be wrong if the results turn out to be better corrolated with something else, but the analysis is only as good as the data out there right now.

The connections are absolutely there. To argue otherwise is silly. BUT what the school gives you, resource-wise, is far from everything. You are 75% of your success The school is probably 15% and people you know are 10%. And this isnt a 15% vs 0% deal either. I fully encourage you to take pride in LMU, and argue against me. Intangibles matter a lot, because they are what make you feel comfortable and willing to bust your ass day in and day out. Which is really what a med school needs to give you, the urge to work hard.

anyway.... i just wanted to expand on what other people were trying to say. Haha, I clearly am not the best one to talk since I'm from one of those new upstart schools and am all for using its success to herald the ability of new schools to succeed. BUT... I also feel realistic evaluation of where you actually stand is a vital skill too.

As for the AOA president-elect being there: it means absolutely nothing except that your dean will not be there an awful lot for a year. We've had a state society (allo+osteo) president and an AOA president as our deans. It literally brings nothing to the table and takes away your ability to see your dean for a full year. The lone upside is everyone is really excited to meet your dean for 365 days.

Didn't mean to attack you, and I generally enjoy reading your posts 🙂.

....that's it! US News and World Report needs to simply rank all Osteopathic Schools immediately and settle this debate. Because as we all know, if US News says something.....it absolutely must be true!
 
Holy Cow! I have spent the past several days moving and prepping for Christmas so I haven't checked the post since I put it up, but I just went through this and I want to say THANK YOU to everyone who posted on here! Huge help, honestly. I think I'm leaning toward LECOM because of PBL, price, and established connections, but that "family" feel at DCOM was really nice- and their tech was amazing to me. MrNovember, I don't know where your middle school was, but it sounds amazing! I think I might consider your middle school for a med school option if I hadn't already been accepted elsewhere.

One thing I decided after about my 4th interview was that there are no bad med schools in the country. I mean if you're going to spend 300K on something you shouldn't walk away saying. "Man that was a waste." And GraceEuphoria- I totally agree with your crazy idea that people who are motivated and capable enough to get into med school can probably make a good experience out of almost anything.

Some things that concern me about LECOM are the rep the admin have about not caring for the students. Although the actual faculty (as in teachers) I met all seemed really cool, so I don't think that will be too much of a problem, especially since I'd be doing PBL I wouldn't be spending crazy amounts of time on campus anyway. Also I've heard that the Bradenton kids get second pick for rotations, and there's a rumor going around that if you attend Bradenton then you have to do core rotations in FL, which would seriously limit choices- and choices are one of the main draws for me since I have no idea what area of medicine I want to go into. Does anyone have helpful info on these topics? How much does admin interfere at LECOM, and any word on Bradenton being relegated to what LECOM can scrounge up in one state for core rotations? Ok, I'm sure it's not that bad no matter how it goes down, but seriously- going into something with limited options doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

And for all the LMU people on here- are there large teaching hospitals available for core rotation sites besides Memphis? And how easy is it to get spots there?

Thanks again for everyone posting on this thread and have a merry Christmas/ happy Hanukkah!
 
And for all the LMU people on here- are there large teaching hospitals available for core rotation sites besides Memphis? And how easy is it to get spots there?

Thanks again for everyone posting on this thread and have a merry Christmas/ happy Hanukkah!

Knoxville is also one of our core sites, and that is a fairly large hospital system. I was thinking about trying to get it next year, but then I realized I would get to actually *do* far less in a big hospital system like that than in a smaller hospital where it is just you and your attending. For this reason, I am pretty sure the bigger hospitals are fairly easy to get for your core if you want them. My plan (as of right now....I am just a lowly first year), is to try and get one of the better core sites (one of the ones where the attendings are really into teaching, and actually let you do things) and then do my electives at a bigger academic hospital so I get to see the more unusual/difficult cases. That way I get a little taste of both.

http://www.lmunet.edu/dcom/academics/sites.shtml

That is the link for the list of core rotation sites as of right now, but they have steadily been making more and more connections, and it may be slightly different when we make it to rotations.
 
Also I've heard that the Bradenton kids get second pick for rotations, and there's a rumor going around that if you attend Bradenton then you have to do core rotations in FL, which would seriously limit choices- and choices are one of the main draws for me since I have no idea what area of medicine I want to go into. Does anyone have helpful info on these topics? How much does admin interfere at LECOM, and any word on Bradenton being relegated to what LECOM can scrounge up in one state for core rotations? Ok, I'm sure it's not that bad no matter how it goes down, but seriously- going into something with limited options doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

I'm only in my first year at LECOM, so I may not have the most accurate information about rorations, but it's my understanding that the country is essentially divided into north and south rotations. Erie and Seton Hill get first dibs on the northern sites, and Bradenton has first shot at the southern ones. Core rotations need to be done at an approved site, and they need to fill rotations at certain hospitals. If these hospitals aren't filled, they'll pull people from other sites into them. Don't buy into the idea that you can do rotations wherever you want; there's some degree of flexibility, but most of your rotations will be from their approved sites. You'll still gain exposure to all the major fields of medicine and some smaller ones, so don't be concerned about not getting that if you go to Bradenton. Everyone does the same cores and can set up electives, the geography is just different.

As for administration, almost all the complaining you hear is from LDP in Erie. There are still disgruntled students in PBL, but it's a minority. Everyone has complaints, but the pros outweigh the cons. And don't expect to get off the Bradenton waitlist. Between personal experience and what others have told me, they don't run admissions as independantly as they indicate, and an acceptance in Erie makes getting off the waitlist in Bradenton unlikely.
 
That is the link for the list of core rotation sites as of right now, but they have steadily been making more and more connections, and it may be slightly different when we make it to rotations.

Thank you for the info! I just discovered this site about 3 weeks ago and I must say it is a very valuable resource!
 
Harrogate has a dollar theatre and a Wal-Mart.

Also an adjacent national park, mountain bike trails, Norris Lake within 30 minutes, community values, nearby winter sports, a focus on the under served, a family atmosphere, nationally renowned faculty, progressive/growing campus, a wide array of rotation sites (from Memphis/Nashville to small 50 bed hospitals), open-door policies, dissection vs prosection, and an amazing support network of staff and classmates. Some of us chose LMU-DCOM for legitimate reasons despite your obvious stigma toward the area and the school.

You can keep your beach and the crowds that come with it. I'll keep my small town of 4,500 and the slow paced life that comes with it. Less distractions are always better and I'd rather be in nature than the bar when it comes time to take those breaks. We'll both be happy in the end.

OP: Ultimately, it comes down to the type of physician you want to become. LMU-DCOM and LECOM have very different missions.
 
Holy Cow! I have spent the past several days moving and prepping for Christmas so I haven't checked the post since I put it up, but I just went through this and I want to say THANK YOU to everyone who posted on here! Huge help, honestly. I think I'm leaning toward LECOM because of PBL, price, and established connections, but that "family" feel at DCOM was really nice- and their tech was amazing to me. MrNovember, I don't know where your middle school was, but it sounds amazing! I think I might consider your middle school for a med school option if I hadn't already been accepted elsewhere.

One thing I decided after about my 4th interview was that there are no bad med schools in the country. I mean if you're going to spend 300K on something you shouldn't walk away saying. "Man that was a waste." And GraceEuphoria- I totally agree with your crazy idea that people who are motivated and capable enough to get into med school can probably make a good experience out of almost anything.

Some things that concern me about LECOM are the rep the admin have about not caring for the students. Although the actual faculty (as in teachers) I met all seemed really cool, so I don't think that will be too much of a problem, especially since I'd be doing PBL I wouldn't be spending crazy amounts of time on campus anyway. Also I've heard that the Bradenton kids get second pick for rotations, and there's a rumor going around that if you attend Bradenton then you have to do core rotations in FL, which would seriously limit choices- and choices are one of the main draws for me since I have no idea what area of medicine I want to go into. Does anyone have helpful info on these topics? How much does admin interfere at LECOM, and any word on Bradenton being relegated to what LECOM can scrounge up in one state for core rotations? Ok, I'm sure it's not that bad no matter how it goes down, but seriously- going into something with limited options doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

And for all the LMU people on here- are there large teaching hospitals available for core rotation sites besides Memphis? And how easy is it to get spots there?

Thanks again for everyone posting on this thread and have a merry Christmas/ happy Hanukkah!
Between Memphis and Knoxville, there are quite a few spots to go around at a larger hospital network. One drawback for a lot of people about Knoxville is that you end up being shuttled between hospitals in Knox, Maryville and another town 20-30 min away. So while most people initially are drawn to the idea of it, they change their minds when they realize they have to commute a LOT. I'm not sure if this is the case for Memphis though...

Knoxville is also one of our core sites, and that is a fairly large hospital system. I was thinking about trying to get it next year, but then I realized I would get to actually *do* far less in a big hospital system like that than in a smaller hospital where it is just you and your attending. For this reason, I am pretty sure the bigger hospitals are fairly easy to get for your core if you want them. My plan (as of right now....I am just a lowly first year), is to try and get one of the better core sites (one of the ones where the attendings are really into teaching, and actually let you do things) and then do my electives at a bigger academic hospital so I get to see the more unusual/difficult cases. That way I get a little taste of both.

http://www.lmunet.edu/dcom/academics/sites.shtml

That is the link for the list of core rotation sites as of right now, but they have steadily been making more and more connections, and it may be slightly different when we make it to rotations.
This is a GREAT point because of your 2 yrs of rotations, 7 months of 3rd year and 4 months of 4th year are at required sites. This varies from many schools, where even your electives are within certain sites that the school decides on. Yes, there are what are called selectives and electives during 3rd and 4th year....electives can be ANYWHERE really and selectives are within the DCOM network, but there are LOTS of options and it's fairly easy to get more selectives approved physicians added to the list if you have one in mind. Just food for thought.

Also an adjacent national park, mountain bike trails, Norris Lake within 30 minutes, community values, nearby winter sports, a focus on the under served, a family atmosphere, nationally renowned faculty, progressive/growing campus, a wide array of rotation sites (from Memphis/Nashville to small 50 bed hospitals), open-door policies, dissection vs prosection, and an amazing support network of staff and classmates. Some of us chose LMU-DCOM for legitimate reasons despite your obvious stigma toward the area and the school.

You can keep your beach and the crowds that come with it. I'll keep my small town of 4,500 and the slow paced life that comes with it. Less distractions are always better and I'd rather be in nature than the bar when it comes time to take those breaks. We'll both be happy in the end.

OP: Ultimately, it comes down to the type of physician you want to become. LMU-DCOM and LECOM have very different missions.
My main conclusion about these kinds of posts is that really, to rank med schools against each other is nearly pointless. USNews and all these organizations may do it, but really that is usually just based on numbers anyhow, which can be easily misrepresented. Yes, schools have pros and cons but quit trying to nitpick it all. You're gonna be a doctor 🙂
 
Between Memphis and Knoxville, there are quite a few spots to go around at a larger hospital network. One drawback for a lot of people about Knoxville is that you end up being shuttled between hospitals in Knox, Maryville and another town 20-30 min away. So while most people initially are drawn to the idea of it, they change their minds when they realize they have to commute a LOT. I'm not sure if this is the case for Memphis though...

I don't mind the commuting idea, I've been doing that for the past 4 years during undergrad to get to work, although I imagine that the hours will be worse during rotations. And this could bend up being a good thing- more facilities means more doctors that I could become close with for LOR's and setting up audition rotations right?

This is a GREAT point because of your 2 yrs of rotations, 7 months of 3rd year and 4 months of 4th year are at required sites. This varies from many schools, where even your electives are within certain sites that the school decides on. Yes, there are what are called selectives and electives during 3rd and 4th year....electives can be ANYWHERE really and selectives are within the DCOM network, but there are LOTS of options and it's fairly easy to get more selectives approved physicians added to the list if you have one in mind. Just food for thought.

This is one thing that makes me feel more comfortable- I like the idea of having the potential to set things up, and I imagine that if I don't mind staying in the South then there should be ample opportunities to get good rotations and residency exposure, so that would end up being good too. I am excited to try living somewhere new.

My main conclusion about these kinds of posts is that really, to rank med schools against each other is nearly pointless. USNews and all these organizations may do it, but really that is usually just based on numbers anyhow, which can be easily misrepresented. Yes, schools have pros and cons but quit trying to nitpick it all. You're gonna be a doctor 🙂

Yes! I am SO excited to be going to medical school! Honestly if I had been accepted to only one of these schools I would have been overjoyed because I think they are both great, I'm just trying to pick nits and decide which one has the best opportunities for me and my family- my wife and I just had a baby girl (she is SO cute!) and the environment for them is a big consideration as well. The other thing is that I have heard that PBL at LECOM allows (marginally) more free time (granted it is still med school, so it's not like I'll be playing patty cake with my daughter all day every day) that I could spend with my family and that's honestly the biggest draw for me. But the atmosphere at DCOM was amazing and I have heard that it is very family friendly- although what med school isn't? What else will all the "med school widows" do while their spouses are studying 24/7 besides make friends and hang out?

Are there any people who are married with kids who are at either school? I wold be interested to hear how much time I could expect to spend with said family each week (not counting exam weeks when I assume that I will live on campus and come home to sleep).
 
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The other thing is that I have heard that PBL at LECOM allows (marginally) more free time (granted it is still med school, so it's not like I'll be playing patty cake with my daughter all day every day) that I could spend with my family and that's honestly the biggest draw for me.

I've heard the same thing while talking with PBL students. Since you're able to plan when you're going to study you're able to plan your family life into your day much more easily if you so choose. For instance, you could schedule an hour or two to go do an activity with your daughter during the day every so often and make up for the hours not studied later. If she has a doctors appointment she has to get to, you can schedule that into your study time. You just have a lot more control over what gets done when. You of course still have to do the work, but having control over when it gets done can be a really nice thing. If I had kids, I'd totally jump on PBL over lectures for that reason. Sadly, no kids yet.
 
I don't mind the commuting idea, I've been doing that for the past 4 years during undergrad to get to work, although I imagine that the hours will be worse during rotations. And this could bend up being a good thing- more facilities means more doctors that I could become close with for LOR's and setting up audition rotations right?



This is one thing that makes me feel more comfortable- I like the idea of having the potential to set things up, and I imagine that if I don't mind staying in the South then there should be ample opportunities to get good rotations and residency exposure, so that would end up being good too. I am excited to try living somewhere new.



Yes! I am SO excited to be going to medical school! Honestly if I had been accepted to only one of these schools I would have been overjoyed because I think they are both great, I'm just trying to pick nits and decide which one has the best opportunities for me and my family- my wife and I just had a baby girl (she is SO cute!) and the environment for them is a big consideration as well. The other thing is that I have heard that PBL at LECOM allows (marginally) more free time (granted it is still med school, so it's not like I'll be playing patty cake with my daughter all day every day) that I could spend with my family and that's honestly the biggest draw for me. But the atmosphere at DCOM was amazing and I have heard that it is very family friendly- although what med school isn't? What else will all the "med school widows" do while their spouses are studying 24/7 besides make friends and hang out?

Are there any people who are married with kids who are at either school? I wold be interested to hear how much time I could expect to spend with said family each week (not counting exam weeks when I assume that I will live on campus and come home to sleep).

Honestly. The program is bad but having family time is very doable. Its all about planning in my case I think I could have commuted to knoxville daily if it wasn't for OMM/EPC labs and such. Also I am not the strongest in Anatomy which was a bump for me. So far the rest of the cirriculum is doable from home. If we didn't have OMM/EPC I wouldn't come back to school except on test days to be honest.....
 
I don't mind the commuting idea, I've been doing that for the past 4 years during undergrad to get to work, although I imagine that the hours will be worse during rotations. And this could bend up being a good thing- more facilities means more doctors that I could become close with for LOR's and setting up audition rotations right?



This is one thing that makes me feel more comfortable- I like the idea of having the potential to set things up, and I imagine that if I don't mind staying in the South then there should be ample opportunities to get good rotations and residency exposure, so that would end up being good too. I am excited to try living somewhere new.



Yes! I am SO excited to be going to medical school! Honestly if I had been accepted to only one of these schools I would have been overjoyed because I think they are both great, I'm just trying to pick nits and decide which one has the best opportunities for me and my family- my wife and I just had a baby girl (she is SO cute!) and the environment for them is a big consideration as well. The other thing is that I have heard that PBL at LECOM allows (marginally) more free time (granted it is still med school, so it's not like I'll be playing patty cake with my daughter all day every day) that I could spend with my family and that's honestly the biggest draw for me. But the atmosphere at DCOM was amazing and I have heard that it is very family friendly- although what med school isn't? What else will all the "med school widows" do while their spouses are studying 24/7 besides make friends and hang out?

Are there any people who are married with kids who are at either school? I wold be interested to hear how much time I could expect to spend with said family each week (not counting exam weeks when I assume that I will live on campus and come home to sleep).
Honestly, I don't think PBL will make or break your ability to spend time with family. LOTS of our students are married with kid(s). They rarely express discontent with their ability to be involved. One of my good friends even coaches his daughter's soccer team. I think the key is to accept that you may not be #1 in your class, but you are learning and still keeping your priorities straight in the meantime. Things can always change at DCOM, but as of now, our lectures are recorded and posted online so you don't *technically* have to attend class. There are many required lectures, of course, and I encourage attending lecture...BUT, if you have family and you DO need to miss some lectures for a child's doctor appt, it's very possible to work out. Out of a typical week first year, you have about12-20 required hours on campus (as a 2nd year, it's usually less, maybe 5-10, on average). Point being, you can make it work without doing total self instruction. As always, things can change here with the continually fluctuating curriculum, but it's been this way for the past few years.
 
Honestly, I don't think PBL will make or break your ability to spend time with family. LOTS of our students are married with kid(s). They rarely express discontent with their ability to be involved. One of my good friends even coaches his daughter's soccer team. I think the key is to accept that you may not be #1 in your class, but you are learning and still keeping your priorities straight in the meantime. Things can always change at DCOM, but as of now, our lectures are recorded and posted online so you don't *technically* have to attend class. There are many required lectures, of course, and I encourage attending lecture...BUT, if you have family and you DO need to miss some lectures for a child's doctor appt, it's very possible to work out. Out of a typical week first year, you have about12-20 required hours on campus (as a 2nd year, it's usually less, maybe 5-10, on average). Point being, you can make it work without doing total self instruction. As always, things can change here with the continually fluctuating curriculum, but it's been this way for the past few years.

Thanks for the info-this is exactly what I was looking for! My problem is that my normal method of making pro/con lists isn't making this decision for me. I may have to pretend that I'm a responsible adult and actually man up- there's a scary thought. Thanks for all your help members of SDN!
 
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