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Just curious on why people seem negative about it (at least that's what I've perceived and maybe i'm completely wrong) as I was considering applying. The tuition being as low as it is is very tempting.
 
Oof. After getting an II I had to dig around as well. Search reddit and old threads and you’ll get a good answer. In summary: clinicals are for you to design, strict attire, mandatory class attendance, no water/food outside of cafeteria, poor faculty support, dissection vs prosection (?)

Correct me if I’m wrong pls 🙂
 
Oof. After getting an II I had to dig around as well. Search reddit and old threads and you’ll get a good answer. In summary: clinicals are for you to design, strict attire, mandatory class attendance, no water/food outside of cafeteria, poor faculty support, dissection vs prosection (?)

Correct me if I’m wrong pls 🙂
very helpful insight, thank you
 
Yea why not pay over 100k extra just to dress down for 2 years :bag:
 
Oof. After getting an II I had to dig around as well. Search reddit and old threads and you’ll get a good answer. In summary: clinicals are for you to design, strict attire, mandatory class attendance, no water/food outside of cafeteria, poor faculty support, dissection vs prosection (?)

Correct me if I’m wrong pls 🙂
No WATER? Like, I cant bring a water bottle to the lecture hall?!?! What?!?
 
designing my own clinicals along with poor faculty support are what are making me question applying. the attire, food issues, or attendance seem to be a mild annoyance to deal with for the tuition
 
correct, but they have lead-free water fountains outside the lecture hall
OMG I would die. I need water constantly. Another reason I'm a little nervous to apply here.

Also, what is their deal with LOR? They say not to submit them until you get an interview invite, but Im gonna have my committee add my letter to my ACOMAS app.So...when I submit a primary, they'll get it...( bc ACOMAS doesn't let you choose which schools get what letters , unlike AMCAS).
 
The school says if you are selected for an interview, at that point you will need to submit letters. It's my understanding that you can submit them at any time - were you told something differently?
"If you are selected for an interview, you will need to submit letters of recommendation. You may request letters of recommendation from your pre-health professions advisor or pre-professional committee. If you are unable to obtain a pre-professional committee letter, you may submit two letters of recommendation from undergraduate or graduate college/university science professors."
From the website.
So, I can submit letters before getting a potential II? I could swear I read something else , maybe in the handbook or something, saying they don't want letter before the interview selection...huh, maybe I just misinterpreted this. I mean this school is known to be picky so I guess I just assumed...
 
Well, if they're uploaded to AACOMAS, they'd need to review your application to see your LORs, so I think they just don't want hard copies sent via snail mail unless you've reached the interview stage. This school receives a lot of apps. Or maybe they're referring to submission to their own portal, if they have one? Anyway, they can't make you wait to upload your LORs to AACOMAS since that could affect your application at every DO school.
Thats what I was thinking- it must be that they want you to hold off on those LOR's if they're submitted outside of ACOMAS. I'm like there's no way in hell they can ask them to not send in letters with your primary, thats an impossible request of ACOMAS. For AMCAS that at least makes sense. But okay good.
 
Idk, I could probably get by. I like dressing up, and eating and drinking in the lecture hall is kind of obnoxious and not something I try to make a habit of. Not sure about the other parts, though.
 
Good god sometimes I wish I could pay extra to not have people constantly chew all day long. And I can’t count how many times people have spilled their drinks on others’ laptop or other stuff.
 
There are a lot of negatives I have seen on LECOM- but I interviewed at seton hill and I thought it was incredible. All the students seem really happy, of course the dress code and no food/water in the classroom is annoying, but you aren't in a classroom for more than ~1 hour and all the students leave their lunchboxes and water bottles outside, and you can just go get a drink of water when you need to.

LECOM has a ton of connections for clinicals, I am unsure about lack of support from faculty because they seemed quite helpful (but of course it is an interview), I know you HAVE to do a 6 week geriatric rotation at the Erie campus- I think all the negatives seem to come from students who do not attend the school and have a negative impression based on the dress code and no food/water situation. They have great match rates and are a well known school, I think there are a lot of pros for the school, but also cons as well.

The TRUE negatives I saw at Seton Hill specifically were that there is minimal, if any, research opportunities, and they do NOT have a cadaver lab at Seton Hill.
 
Idk, I could probably get by. I like dressing up, and eating and drinking in the lecture hall is kind of obnoxious and not something I try to make a habit of. Not sure about the other parts, though.
Good god sometimes I wish I could pay extra to not have people constantly chew all day long. And I can’t count how many times people have spilled their drinks on others’ laptop or other stuff.
A sealed water bottle though? You guys don't ned water constantly? I need my sips...some of us do. I've never spilled water in a classroom because the bottle is closed and I only open for sipping and then close it again.
I can understand food and coffee and stuff beign not allowed but water? how do you guys live without water?
 
There are a lot of negatives I have seen on LECOM- but I interviewed at seton hill and I thought it was incredible. All the students seem really happy, of course the dress code and no food/water in the classroom is annoying, but you aren't in a classroom for more than ~1 hour and all the students leave their lunchboxes and water bottles outside, and you can just go get a drink of water when you need to.

LECOM has a ton of connections for clinicals, I am unsure about lack of support from faculty because they seemed quite helpful (but of course it is an interview), I know you HAVE to do a 6 week geriatric rotation at the Erie campus- I think all the negatives seem to come from students who do not attend the school and have a negative impression based on the dress code and no food/water situation. They have great match rates and are a well known school, I think there are a lot of pros for the school, but also cons as well.

The TRUE negatives I saw at Seton Hill specifically were that there is minimal, if any, research opportunities, and they do NOT have a cadaver lab at Seton Hill.
Looking at their match list it looks pretty strong. Someone matched Hopkins for Anesthesia (2019). Decent amount of the class appears to go ACGME too. The tuition + match might just be too good to pass up on.
 
Looking at their match list it looks pretty strong. Someone matched Hopkins for Anesthesia (2019). Decent amount of the class appears to go ACGME too. The tuition + match might just be too good to pass up on.
I would apply if I were you, the dress code and going an hour without water (but not really bc you can just go out to drink water) is the price you pay for a low tuition rate. And they have a solid reputation
 
I think it also can differ a bit by campus- I think the Florida campus might have less clinical rotations set up because it is newer, and for PA/NY, naturally there are much more options for clinical rotations
 
Currently a student at LECOM-Erie, and would be more than happy to answer any questions you have. Granted, I'm in my last year, so there may be a few policy changes that I'm not aware of (since I'm on audition rotations all over the country and not really at school much...), but a few things that I can point out....
1. Yes, there is no food/water and there is mandatory attendance/dress code. The mandatory attendance and dress code probably affects the people who are in the lecture-based pathway; DSP and PBL are less affected since they do not have to come to school every day. That being said, I was in the lecture pathway as well. Did it affect me? Probably not. Most of us got used to the dress code by the 1st week of school, and soon stopped caring about the food/water/dress code policy afterwards. You've got more than enough on your plate to focus on right in med school that the policies are really trivial. And I would say that I'm more of a self learner, but I did perfectly fine with the mandatory attendance. Some days are long, other are short, some are in between. You get used to it fast.
2. Yes, some will argue that it's a strict school, with all the policies. Honestly, that's a reasonable opinion, and it may not appeal to everyone. That being said, do I regret coming here? Based on the fact that I'm like 100K less in debt than some of my other med schools friends, and that I'm still able to do what I love...I'd say I'm pretty happy.
3. Speaking of clinicals, LECOM isn't really different from any other DO schools in terms of rotations and schedules. I don't know what designing your own clinical means, but your schedule is pretty much laid out for you. The only time you really have to work to design your schedule is when you have electives (which you can do pretty much anywhere in the country). You can choose to do electives at your core site, or you can work to set them up at another hospital. An example is me right now, where I had to set my electives up as audition rotations across the country. That really isn't different from any other medical school, and its certainly not too difficult to do (as long as you do it in advance).
And speaking in terms of core sites, LECOM has many different core sites across the country (I can only speak for the Erie and Seton Hill Campus - Bradenton is kind of different). Like most other DO schools, the sites can be great, good, okay, or bad. But if there is anything I learned, a lot of the rotations are what you make of it. I've rotated at various places, ranging from tiny community hospitals to big academic tertiary medical centers, and the basics is the same for all medical students - you don't really know what to do, but as long as you work hard, it'll be okay. Even now on auditions, I've been with osteopathic and allopathic medical students from all across the country, and I don't feel like my knowledge base and skills are any worse than theirs are. And no, I wasn't a brilliant student or anything - I just worked hard on all my rotations to learn as much as I can. If a rotation didn't go well, I've just tried learning the important things, and then just moved on.

Happy to answer any specific questions you have. Probably not on this forum as much as I would like, so if I miss something, feel free to DM me!
 
Here's something to consider about LECOM. LECOM charges roughly $33,620 per year in tuition, PCOM charges $50,700 and CCOM charges $70,697. Let's assume that a medical student has $22,000 in living expenses per year at these institutions, even though we all know that Erie is dirt cheap and Philadelphia and Chicago are expensive. At graduation given current federal interest rates on student loans of 6% a LECOM graduate will owe $257,915, a PCOM grad will owe $337,116 and a CCOM grad will owe $429,844. If those balances keep accruing interest over a four year residency, the LECOM grad will owe $325,611, the PCOM grad will owe $425,602 and the CCOM grad will owe $542,669 ath the end of a four year residency. At 6% over 30 years the annual payment to pay off that debt will be $23,426 for a LECOM grad, $30,620 for a PCOM grad and $39,043 for a CCOM graduate.

Because the Internal Revenue Code limits and phases out student loan interest as a tax deduction, those debt service payments will not be deductible. Everything will be paid out of after tax money. Imagine what you could do with an extra $15,500 in your pocket every year for 30 years. I think wearing khakis, loafers, a shirt with a button down collar and a tie is small potatoes given that savings.

Furthermore, LECOM students out perform most students on the boards and their residency placement is as good as almost all of the other osteopathic med schools. See the thread on osteopathic match lists and compare LECOM with CCOM.
 
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