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I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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are you going to elaborate on that any?
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmm, I can imagine out of control in these ways:

1) Loss of bowel
2) Loss of bladder
3) Loss of space and time
4) Loss of control of the wheel around a hairpin turn in NASCAR

What can you imagine?
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Looks like somebody's on the waitlist!!! 👎
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have always thought of medical school as an easy cake walk, which shouldn't have any hardships or inconveniences of any kind. So, you're right, who are these people making your life difficult? Shame on you LECOM🙁 .
 
I think it's too bad that a post like this is tolerated on SDN. I will support anyone's right to criticize their school and it's administration till the cows come home, but what can we expect to learn from a thread entitled "__COM Sucks"? I believe it shows a lack of professionalism that a thread with this title is seen as appropriate for a board which represents the Osteopathic profession.


If you want to point out some problems and areas which need to improve, go for it. If you need to bitch, find a good bartender and bring plenty of tipping money.
 
Its been several months since an anti-LECOM thread has popped up. Nice to see they are really improving things over there.
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:laugh: Am I the only one that finds this entertaining? And there are multiple posts like this so I doubt it's that he's jealous, lazy or on a wait list. I just get a kick out of the fact that one pops up on a regular basis... year in and year out. :laugh:
 
Someone must have felt the wrath of Dr. F
 
listen folks--perfect example here--i had a full response post and was informed in school today that one of the secretaries actually searches this site--prints out the posts and gives it to the dean. So I deleted my post. see what i mean??/
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Threads such as these are useless. Can one of the mods please lock this thread.
 
DrFurious said:
I can't imagine a worse medical school experience. I don't know who these people think they are. But they are out of control in every way imaginable. **** LECOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know, I know, after I say this everyone is going to go, "BUT YOU ARE WRITING ON THIS THREAD," save me, please. But, I just think that it is funny that these LECOM hate threads never have much feedback from the OP. Usually the OP makes some offhanded remark and then, BAM, everyone takes it from there. Yes, I feel that these threads are useless but, after asking a few moderators to ban threads like these, I have gotten very little positive feedback. In fact, I was total that it would kill freedom of speech (however, MD vs DO are banned right from the start but, this school sucks balls because I am at the bottom of my class and it is all their fault, are somehow informative). I guess I just don't understand. Anyways, I think we should all come to an agreement right here: We shall not respond to, "I hate school X threads..." ever again. If the moderators refuse to allow useless threads like these, then we can "ban" it ourselves with lack of responses; if they don't have an audience, they will stop positing.
 
Bandit said:
listen folks--perfect example here--i had a full response post and was informed in school today that one of the secretaries actually searches this site--prints out the posts and gives it to the dean. So I deleted my post. see what i mean??/
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Hmmm.... I don't go to LECOM hmmm..., but if you look at the admissions stats hmmmm...., I think they have some work to do hmmmm..... Sorry Dean but its true...hmmm... hmmmm... hmmmm...

I think this is a rediculous thread myself, but it is an OPINION! We just need to know why they feel this way....AND fix the issue.....
 
I must admit all these anti-LECOM threads make me suspicious about the school. :scared:
 
Bandit said:
listen folks--perfect example here--i had a full response post and was informed in school today that one of the secretaries actually searches this site--prints out the posts and gives it to the dean. So I deleted my post. see what i mean??/
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Well if that is the case, than maybe a thread just needs to be devoted to how changes can be made at the school. Maybe after years of getting no donations from its graduates, the administration will think and say, hmm, maybe some of these rules we have are crap.

And on a side note, I haven't really tried to track anyone down, but if someone printed out a response could it be tracked to an actual person?
 
Lfribble said:
Well if that is the case, than maybe a thread just needs to be devoted to how changes can be made at the school. Maybe after years of getting no donations from its graduates, the administration will think and say, hmm, maybe some of these rules we have are crap.

And on a side note, I haven't really tried to track anyone down, but if someone printed out a response could it be tracked to an actual person?
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If the person was dumb enough to reveal personal information about themselves that could be traced back to themselves such as MCAT score and GPA. Otherwise, no. I highly doubt SDN would collaborate with schools and offer IP logs of SDN members.
 
PlasticMan said:
If the person was dumb enough to reveal personal information about themselves that could be traced back to themselves such as MCAT score and GPA. Otherwise, no. I highly doubt SDN would collaborate with schools and offer IP logs of SDN members.
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That means that'd be >95% of the people who post on SDN .... :laugh:
 
Bandit said:
listen folks--perfect example here--i had a full response post and was informed in school today that one of the secretaries actually searches this site--prints out the posts and gives it to the dean. So I deleted my post. see what i mean??/
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Not to worry--- my school does the same thing. From what I was told by my
big buddy, one of the deans actually came in and read the riot act to their
class for not 'working within channels' to bring up 'issues' the anonymous person had with the school.

Basically you have to figure out if it really matters. Don't let them control you by giving them the ability to tick you off. Whoever controls your emotions controls you, capish? Nothing upsets someone more than when
they're trying to get to you and you just look at 'em, smile and move on.

Pray for 'em, respect their authority but don't give them authority they don't have, know what I mean?
 
Bandit said:
listen folks--perfect example here--i had a full response post and was informed in school today that one of the secretaries actually searches this site--prints out the posts and gives it to the dean. So I deleted my post. see what i mean??/
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Just to play devil's advocate...
This is a anonymous forum, maybe it is good that the dean is aware of the student's opinions in a manner that doesn't allow him/her to single out any individual. My question to you is...since this is anonymous, why can't you say the reasons? Can you be punished when they don't know who is writing these things?

BTW--most schools that I know of (including mine) routinely browse SDN.
 
ya know--I was worried about my sdn bio. it is pretty specific for the year I am in. I have seen students ruined for far less
 
Bandit said:
ya know--I was worried about my sdn bio. it is pretty specific for the year I am in. I have seen students ruined for far less
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I guess it must be that difficult to remain anonymous on a public forum .... :laugh:
 
What the hell are those columns, etc. Is that stuff for real or did someone make that up? Never seen anything like it:laugh:
 
LukeWhite said:
While I've got no dog in this fight, absolutely no LECOM thread is complete without this golden oldie link:

http://www.ajuel.com/Lecom_Marble_Column_Designs.htm

"Dr. Silvia Ferretti,Dean of LECOM, meets the Greek God of Healing, Aesculapius, (12th Century BC)"

Timeless!
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😱 😱

"The Spiral of Time," 1000 years of medical history, from the foundation of modern medicine was laid down in the Golden Age of Islam, to the osteopatihc era, "the Balance of OMT," of our own age."

Man, I felt like I was out in left field, 3rd base when I read some of those columns. I can't beleive they'd do somthing like that. I'm not huge advocate of OMT, but what on earth does palpating for someone's Chapman points on their pubic turbcles have to do with religion and faith?

Dude, that was very strange.
 
On the issue of deans reading threads here and such, I would like to think that they have better things to do. I do know, however, that lurkers have questioned me about things I've said on SDN; and it is more likely than not that a dean or two has read something I've written here.

I am familiar with an osteo school that uses a student-run, password-protected online forum to discuss and vent. It sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure that deans can find moles if they are really that concerned about what is being said.

So if an administrator at LECOM is reading this looking for gossip, you are typically not bleeping welcome on SDN unless you show yourself. If you are reading this on the school's time/dime, you are why people are saying bad things.

:laugh: I don't even know what LECOM stands for.
 
I am in no way defending Lecom, but there are many IMMATURE students that have to be told what to do and when to do it. I walk through the halls some days and think I'm back in high school. I don't know how other med schools are but we have alot of people who need to grow up. Also, the complaints usually come from the ldp pathway b/c they have to be on campus everyday. "Why do I have to go to class" Because you signed up for it dumb ass!
 
allendo said:
I am in no way defending Lecom, but there are many IMMATURE students that have to be told what to do and when to do it. I walk through the halls some days and think I'm back in high school. I don't know how other med schools are but we have alot of people who need to grow up. Also, the complaints usually come from the ldp pathway b/c they have to be on campus everyday. "Why do I have to go to class" Because you signed up for it dumb ass!
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Exactly 👍
 
I'm kind of starting to enjoy these threads. Makes me feel like a rebel to go to LECOM. :meanie: Like I'm a med student from the wrong side of the tracks....:meanie:
 
allendo said:
I am in no way defending Lecom, but there are many IMMATURE students that have to be told what to do and when to do it. I walk through the halls some days and think I'm back in high school. I don't know how other med schools are but we have alot of people who need to grow up. Also, the complaints usually come from the ldp pathway b/c they have to be on campus everyday. "Why do I have to go to class" Because you signed up for it dumb ass!
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hmmm....Do they jump on your back when your not looking? Or what about a trip down 25 step stairs? I don't know about Lake Erie Osteopathic Medicine (LECOM), but that's how we did it back in highschool...
 
spreebee said:
Freedom of Opinion
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There is also something called libel. I notice that the post claiming that LECOM urine tests its students twice a week has been removed from this thread. I'm no lawyer, but presenting such false information for the purpose of harming a school's reputation sure seems to fit the definition of libel.

An opinion is great, but if it can't be backed up with facts, it loses much of it's meaning.
 
DragonWell said:
There is also something called libel. I notice that the post claiming that LECOM urine tests its students twice a week has been removed from this thread. I'm no lawyer, but presenting such false information for the purpose of harming a school's reputation sure seems to fit the definition of libel.

An opinion is great, but if it can't be backed up with facts, it loses much of it's meaning.
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From my understanding, it's virtually impossible to succeed in a libel claim against a website. Maybe that's changed, though.

How would you expect someone to back up their claims here? SDN would cease to be a site of any useful information if you had to provide firm documentation before you made a statement about anything. As for the urine tests, don't know. Do any other LECOMers know about this? The rest of the material in this thread has been purely opinion and thus not libel.

In the end, it's not the job of the SDN mods to close threads that make negative comments about schools. In fact, finding out negative information about schools is one of the greatest things that SDN gives to its users.
 
LukeWhite said:
While I've got no dog in this fight, absolutely no LECOM thread is complete without this golden oldie link:

http://www.ajuel.com/Lecom_Marble_Column_Designs.htm

"Dr. Silvia Ferretti,Dean of LECOM, meets the Greek God of Healing, Aesculapius, (12th Century BC)"

Timeless!
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I personally got a kick of how she rejected the first design the re-make shows her being skinnier with larger breast. :laugh:

Hey, these guys skipped over the biblical story with the golden calf now didn't they :laugh:
 
Doctor Bagel said:
From my understanding, it's virtually impossible to succeed in a libel claim against a website. Maybe that's changed, though.

How would you expect someone to back up their claims here? SDN would cease to be a site of any useful information if you had to provide firm documentation before you made a statement about anything. As for the urine tests, don't know. Do any other LECOMers know about this? The rest of the material in this thread has been purely opinion and thus not libel.

In the end, it's not the job of the SDN mods to close threads that make negative comments about schools. In fact, finding out negative information about schools is one of the greatest things that SDN gives to its users.
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I'm just pointing out that there are some legal limits to freedom of opinion which recognize that causing harm to someone through false or misleading information is not OK. I'm not suggesting that anyone initiate a libel suit against SDN. 😉

As far as the mods not closing negative threads, I think this is part of their job, and I can think of numerous occasions where they have done just that. There have been threads bashing NYCOM, NOVA, and other schools which have been closed promptly, but for some reason, LECOM threads are left open, usually with the excuse that it is a "public service".

Let me be perfectly clear - if a student wants to complain about a policy, a professor, anything, and can do so based on their personal experience, I fully support their right to do so. A user whose third post is entitled "LECOM sucks", who provides no supporting information, and whose intention is simply to create a lightening rod for negative views about a particular school, is a troll, pure and simple, and their posts should be treated as such by the mods.
 
DragonWell said:
intention is simply to create a lightening rod
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In fact, the columns also double as effective lightning rods, but themselves *dramatically reduce* the chance of lightning strikes through their homage to the Greek gods! This is because osteopathy emphasizes prevention over cure, and also that Zeus is real.
 
CatsandCradles said:
Yes, we know Lake Erie has problems. We've been through it ad nauseam. But why the hell do you have to place it here on SDN? What is SDN going to do? You students have to step up to the plate and solve these issues. Don't like the security enviroment of the school? Then talk to the administration, talk to your student government - take control of the situation - it's your school and your tuition dollars. If you don't like the security cameras, then talk to the dean, or the proper admininstrative faculty; etc. If you don't step up they'll step all over you. If you're upset with the faculty, then talk to your student body, negotiate - argue through the appropriate channels - that sort of thing. Be proactive.
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People vent on SDN all the time, and if nothing else, I think that it serves to give people who may be deciding in favor of or against a particular school a complete picture of the attitudes of some students.

Medicine is a good ol' boy network, and in my own experience, complaining to an administrator is the best way of showing insubordinance and drawing unnecessary ire. I agree that students should be the "consumers" who are after getting their money's worth, but since the deans will hold your MSPE over your head out of their own need to enforce their hegemony, my best advice is to just cooperate and graduate. I am probably the most recent example of someone who has changed his SDN identity to avoid lurking admins, so it's likely that I should have taken my own advice.

I had never heard of LECOM until I looked at this thread, but if it's anything like the allo school that I attend, vent away, but vent anonymously.
 
When I interviewed at LECOM, Dr. Wise told us to come here and look at the posts about the school. He said that you're spending a lot of money and a lot of time on your medical education. If these posts are enough to scare you away from LECOM, then maybe it's not the best choice for you.

So many med students take whatever school accepts them. What is wrong with being selective? If all you want is to be a physician, head down to the Caribbean. You're sure to get in, and all you have to do is kick butt on your USLMEs. Somebody will give you a residency if your scores are right.

But, if you have a specialty that appeals to you, or you want to do research, or you know that there is a residency program that is attached to a certain school, why not go after that?

My opinion of LECOM is thus: it's an inexpensive, private, osteopathic medical school, with new facilities, friendly faculty, three learning pathways and strong community support. However, it has a smaller alumni network (it opened in 1994), limited rotation/residency opportunities, limited research opportunities and a mission statement that will encourage graduates to practice in Western PA or close by.

It's average. When you're finished, you'll be a doctor, most likely in family practice. If you want to stay in the Lake Erie/Ontario area, it should be perfect for you. You'll already be used to the lake effect snows.
 
What is the point of this thread, and why is it still open?

The initial rant was and is completely ignorant and unconscious; it is sucking up the precious air that I breathe. I genuinely feel dumber having scanned through this thread.

Take it away before it incurs more negative space.
 
lincolnparadox said:
When you're finished, you'll be a doctor, most likely in family practice.
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this may be true, and i will post the match results of our class once they become available. however, anyone reading this thinking that they will be relegated to a career of FP - check out some of the matches for LECOM '07 that i am aware of so far...

anesthesiology - johns hopkins, mayo clinic, umichigan, uconn
emergency medicine - johns hopkins
internal medicine - cleveland clinic (2 people), unebraska, UMDNJ, drexel
neurosurgery - LSU (allopathic neurosurgery!)
pediatrics - umaryland
pm&r - walter reed (2 people - only three army spots in rehab, we got two of them)

not that FP is bad - some people really like it, and that's fine. but trust me, you will have other options if you choose - even some excellent ones, like the ones above. certainly the residencies obtained were not by default, and required a lot of "go-getting" without too much help, but in most cases, LECOM will put you in a position where you will be able to get such a residency if you have the hard work, intellect, and desire.
 
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