Length of Residencies?

[PREMEDWOAHS]

Can anyone tell me the length of residencies for some of this? I hope that after a few posts we can create a full list. Thanks!!


Allergy/ Immunology
Anesthesiology: Pediatrics, General, Pain Management
Cardiology: Invasive
Cardiology: Interventional
Cardiology: Noninvasive
Critical Care
Dermatology
Emergency Medicine
FP (w/o OB)
Gastroenterology
Infectious Disease
Internal Medicine
Medicine/Pediatrics
Neonatal Medicine
Obstetrics/Gynecology
Gynecology
Orthopedic Surgery
ORS - Sports Medicine
Pediatrics
Pediatrics - Cardiology
Pediatrics - Critical Care
Physiatry
Psychiatry
Psychiatry - Child and Adolescent
Pulmonary Medicine + Critical Care
Rheumatology
Surgery - General
Surgery - Cardiovascular
Surgery - Plastic

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[Gfunk6]

3 years
Emergency Medicine (~75% of programs)
Family Practice
Internal Medicine
Pediatrics

4 years
Anesthesiology
Dermatology
Emergency Medicine (~25% of programs)
Neurology
Ob/Gyn
Opthomalogy
Pathology
PM&R
Psychiatry

5 years
Diagnostic Radiology
General Surgery
Orthopedic Surgery
Otolaryngology
Radiation Oncology
Urology

6 years
Plastic Surgery (Integrated)

7 years
Neurosurgery

1. The above are generally accepted for most programs but are not iron clad. Some programs require 1-2 years of research.

2. Programs that are 4 or more years generally require that you do a preliminary year in medicine or surgery or a transitional year -- these are included in the list.

 

[Docxter]

Neurosurgery is 5 years clinical + 1 or 2 years of integrated research. I don't think there are any 5 year programs left not requiring the research year anymore, so neurosurgery is 6 or 7 depending on how many years of research is integrated into the program.

 

[Docxter]

Gfunk, q4 call is certainly not insanity. q2 call is. q4 is just average.

 

[PREMEDWOAHS]

what about non-invasive cardiology, allergy, and FP Sports Med

 

[DarksideAllstar]

what about non-invasive cardiology or a pediatric cardiologist.

The search function (here or elsewhere) is your friend...

A general rule: subspecialties of IM or Peds are usually 3 yrs of IM or Peds and then a 3 yr fellowship (Cardiology, Hem/Onc, Allergy, Rheum, etc).

 

[Dunce]

this is a decent place to start
http://residency.wustl.edu/medadmin/resweb.nsf/WV/62353A93C5C35CB186256F850071BD86?OpenDocument

SDN is a great source too. The Iserson book is also not too bad to take a look at early.

 

[deleted87716]

what about non-invasive cardiology, allergy, and FP Sports Med

Sports medicine is a 1-year fellowship after a 3-year FM residency.

 

[nzdavid]

wow, no wonder emergency medicine is such a popular choice in the United States.

in Australia and New Zealand, the minimum training length for emergency medicine (and most other specialties) is 7 years.

 

[Dunce]

wow, no wonder emergency medicine is such a popular choice in the United States.

in Australia and New Zealand, the minimum training length for emergency medicine (and most other specialties) is 7 years.

What constitutes those 7 years in Australia?

US ---> 4 college + 4 med school + 3 EM residency

 

[nzdavid]

What constitutes those 7 years in Australia?

US ---> 4 college + 4 med school + 3 EM residency

Australia / New Zealand --> 3 university (college) + 4 med school + 7 EM residency
or 5-6 med school (straight from high school) + 7 EM residency

The 7 years consists of: 2 years basic training (general hospital rotations) + 1 year provisional EM training + 4 years advanced EM training

It's a bit silly actually, because training in neurosurgery here also takes 7 years + 1 year research.

 

[8744]

What constitutes those 7 years in Australia?

US ---> 4 college + 4 med school + 3 EM residency

I understand that most other countries do not work as many hours as American residents. I averaged 80 hours per week last year (except on two outpatient rotations and probably 65 this year.

 

[nzdavid]

Residents actually work very long hours in Australia/New Zealand. 36 hour shifts and 80 hour weeks are not uncommon in surgery/medicine, just like in N America.

EM isn't that popular here.. a lot of EDs are staffed by hospitalists/GPs. It would be nice to train in the US and be done in 3 years! If it were like this here, a lot more people would go into EM.

 

[f_w]

The 7 years consists of: 2 years basic training (general hospital rotations) + 1 year provisional EM training + 4 years advanced EM training
It's a bit silly actually, because training in neurosurgery here also takes 7 years + 1 year research.

Actually, it is silly to believe that you can cover the entire spectrum of things you can see in the ED in a 3 year residency. Realistically, it is too short. Often this lack of breadth of experience leads to 'checkbox medicine' with multitudes of studies and lab panels getting ordered based on the patients chief complaint and some standing protocols (rather than deliberate ordering of studies based on a physicians history and clinical exam).

Btw. I am under the impression that in the NZ/AU system the higher year residents function fairly independently, more like younger attendings in the US. In the US for example it is rather uncommon for a senior resident to operate without an attending in house (various supervision and billing rules make that difficult), in the UK/NZ/AU system this seems rather commonplace.