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cause i thought it would provide me with the best possible education. and i knew how badly i wanted to go to medical school, so I made sure i would get good grades, no matter how much work it required. It seems like a lot of people on sdn see undergraduate as a stepping stone/ hoop to jump through to get to medical school. i think that is a shame, because i learned a tremendous amount of material (most of it outside of the sciences, *gasp*), made lifelong friends, and really had a unique experience that I'm not sure the prototypical state school can afford.

looking back, even though my gpa isnt stellar by any means, ill still get into an MD school and I dont think I could have had more enjoyable undergraduate years

So I have to fork over 35K+ to have all these experiences? I made really great friends, have a 4.0 gpa, tons of great ECs that I love, and *gasp* at my "Prototypical state school."
Moral of the story: You can have great experiences anywhere, don't think that because some people couldn't afford the same college as you they didn't get any good experiences.
 
an analysis of student-posted evaluations on RateMyProfessors.com (25%; generated by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, an education think tank).

This "study" is rubbish.
 
So I have to fork over 35K+ to have all these experiences? I made really great friends, have a 4.0 gpa, tons of great ECs that I love, and *gasp* at my "Prototypical state school."
Moral of the story: You can have great experiences anywhere, don't think that because some people couldn't afford the same college as you they didn't get any good experiences.

ha well with an endowment of $3 BB (that's $ 642,885 for each undergraduate) I probably paid less than you for my bachelor's. It feels good to be able to start medical school debt free.

'The Dartmouth Board of Trustees approved the enhanced program at a special board meeting Jan. 16.
Key elements of the initiative, which will go into effect for the coming academic year, include:
1. Free tuition for students who come from families with annual incomes below $75,000
2. Replacing loans with scholarships
3. Need-blind admissions for international students'

even better if your family makes less than 75k.... you get to go to college fo free. stumpy, you would be paying more for one quarter at the community college that you went to than some kids pay their entire time at dartmouth!
 
HYMSP or gtfo

UCBHYMSP** or gtfo. you forgot one, i think your 'public ivy' should be on there

also, another east asian applicant from the UC system. Gl, i really mean it this time
 
ha well with an endowment of $3 BB (that's $ 642,885 for each undergraduate) I probably paid less than you for my bachelor's. It feels good to be able to start medical school debt free.

'The Dartmouth Board of Trustees approved the enhanced program at a special board meeting Jan. 16.
Key elements of the initiative, which will go into effect for the coming academic year, include:
1. Free tuition for students who come from families with annual incomes below $75,000
2. Replacing loans with scholarships
3. Need-blind admissions for international students'

even better if your family makes less than 75k.... you get to go to college fo free. stumpy, you would be paying more for one quarter at the community college that you went to than some kids pay their entire time at dartmouth!

You know why Dartmouth can afford to do this? Because a) they're not spending any money on their medical school (zing!) and b) that demographic barely exists in their student body. Have you ever been to Hanover? I've never seen so many rich white people in such a small town in my entire life. I had the unique experience of being in Hanover during Parents' Weekend, and I couldn't believe my eyes. The streets were packed with Audi's and BMW's and the sidewalks were flooded with crusty old people checking their blackberry's and sipping venti lattes.

You need to realize that stereotypes often exist for a reason, and the ivies won't be shaking their stereotypes anytime soon. I'm at a top 15 med school right now, and the majority of my classmates from Ivy undergrads are either a) wealthy and pedigreed or b) have really important parents. Granted, they're also excellent and hardworking students, but they still fit that ivy stereotype quite well. I can't say the same for my classmates from state/lesser known schools, who come from all different socioeconomic backgrounds.
 
I'll bite the bait on this thread...



What made you so sure that you wouldn't want to go to one of them? There is much, much more to the undergraduate education than the introductory classes. You meet people who have made a genuine difference in the world, on a daily basis, in medicine, law, politics, environmentalism, education... Even for pre-meds, you have the privilege of working with some of the best surgeons, cardiologists, neurologists etc. in the world. For the researchers, your PI has enough funds that you never have to feel guilty about your pet projects and wasted reagents or opt for easy projects rather than interesting ones. If there's one thing that most bothers me, it's that I'm not remotely smart enough to take advantage of all the resources here.
I just wouldn't want to go to schools as small as many of the ones on that list. Harvey Mudd only has 738 undergrads? Pass.
 
cause i thought it would provide me with the best possible education. and i knew how badly i wanted to go to medical school, so I made sure i would get good grades, no matter how much work it required. It seems like a lot of people on sdn see undergraduate as a stepping stone/ hoop to jump through to get to medical school. i think that is a shame, because i learned a tremendous amount of material (most of it outside of the sciences, *gasp*), made lifelong friends, and really had a unique experience that I'm not sure the prototypical state school can afford.
Based on what?

alright, well let's try to look at this another way.

the SAT scores for top quartile of students accepted to Berkeley in 2010 was 710 R, 740 M, 720 W. The median SAT scores for students admitted to my university were 734 R, 740 M, 744 W.

So, judging by SAT scores (and pardon me if you don't agree with my reasoning, but SAT scores are the only metric that we have to compare students), the smartest 25% of Berkeley students are still not as 'smart' as the median student from my university.

I doubt that you are in the top quartile at Berkeley (only 1/4 student are, statistically speaking- not trying to insult you). A B or B+ average may seem generous at first glance, but I assure you, it is very hard to earn even a 3.0. For every A awarded, someone else is getting a C. And this isnt a state school or a CC where the only admission requirement is that you have a pulse. You've got to be a smart and accomplished person who is clearly driven and focused on success to be admitted in the first place.

i wish you could take some classes at my school... i'm pretty sure you wouldn't be singing the same tune after the first midterm
Do you have to do morning stretches so that you can pat yourself on the back?
 
You know why Dartmouth can afford to do this? Because

In 2007, Dartmouth was ranked second only to Princeton University in the U.S. for alumni donation rates by U.S. News & World Report.[50] According to a 2008 article in The Wall Street Journal, Dartmouth graduates also earn higher median salaries at least 10 years after graduation than alumni of any other American university surveyed.[182]
 
Not prestigious, really? All of these colleges have large endowments, high admissions standards, and high US News rankings
I've never even heard of about a third of them until this list, and another third are ones I only recognize because SDN always mentions them when fawning over prestigious SLACs. Prestige only counts if someone knows what it is.
 
Based on what?

Many reasons- I think my peers are smarter and often more interesting than the average student at a state school.There are only 4000 undergraduates and 95% of us live on campus, which makes for a very close knit community. Professor are very good, and since classes are so small, they often take student out to lunch or invite them to their houses for dinner. We have excellent resources-- kinase pro is right when he says that DMS is a mid tier med school, but this simply means that dartmouth spends most of its money on facilities to be used by undergraduates.

rednawz was describing the 6 month waiting period before you can volunteer at hospitals near berekeley. With a small premed population, I was able to work many volunteer positions at DHMC with no waiting period/red tape. Also, I took classes taught by research profs at DHMC and DMS, so just by approaching them after class, I was able to get two research positions in material that I found genuinely interesting.

Finally, with a 9:1 student to faculty ratio, you really spend a lot of time with profs, which make for great letters of recommendation. Also, there is never a line to see the premed advisor. Finally, since DHMC is a major medical center, finding doctors to shadow took no effort whatsoever.

ANd then i hear horror stories like what boxinmoxin is experiencing at his commuter school, so I think it is safe to say that the small, private, elite college experience is indeed unique
 
In 2007, Dartmouth was ranked second only to Princeton University in the U.S. for alumni donation rates by U.S. News & World Report.[50] According to a 2008 article in The Wall Street Journal, Dartmouth graduates also earn higher median salaries at least 10 years after graduation than alumni of any other American university surveyed.[182]

I was clearly trolling this thread re: Dartmouth's fin aid and their tendecy to not invest in DMS (only partly joking there...). But that being said, the fact that only 49% of their undergrad's qualify for aid just lends support to the ivy stereotype... For a comparison, 89% of students in the SUNY system qualify for fin aid, and their tuition is a hell of a lot lower than Dartmouth's.
 
Many reasons- I think my peers are smarter and often more interesting than the average student at a state school.There are only 4000 undergraduates and 95% of us live on campus, which makes for a very close knit community. Professor are very good, and since classes are so small, they often take student out to lunch or invite them to their houses for dinner. We have excellent resources-- kinase pro is right when he says that DMS is a mid tier med school, but this simply means that dartmouth spends most of its money on facilities to be used by undergraduates.

rednawz was describing the 6 month waiting period before you can volunteer at hospitals near berekeley. With a small premed population, I was able to work many volunteer positions at DHMC with no waiting period/red tape. Also, I took classes taught by research profs at DHMC and DMS, so just by approaching them after class, I was able to get two research positions in material that I found genuinely interesting.

Finally, with a 9:1 student to faculty ratio, you really spend a lot of time with profs, which make for great letters of recommendation. Also, there is never a line to see the premed advisor. Finally, since DHMC is a major medical center, finding doctors to shadow took no effort whatsoever.

ANd then i hear horror stories like what boxinmoxin is experiencing at his commuter school, so I think it is safe to say that the small, private, elite college experience is indeed unique
So it was just an assumption. That's all I was wondering.

I went to a big state school, and nearly every one of your "concerns" didn't apply to me at all. It's what you make of it. I walked up to one professor and got into his micro lab on the spot. I had more opportunities to shadow than I knew what to do with. I didn't have to wait to do any volunteering, since I could just get paid to get clinical experience. I didn't have any quiet dinners with my professors, but I did have a few parties at my PI's house.
 
But that being said, the fact that only 49% of their undergrad's qualify for aid just lends support to the ivy stereotype... For a comparison, 89% of students in the SUNY system qualify for fin aid, and their tuition is a hell of a lot lower than Dartmouth's.

I'm not really sure why this is a negative. If my peers don't qualify for fin aid, then their parents must be wealthy, successful people. In my experience, being surrounded by rich ad influential families has been overwhelmingly positive. For example, one of my friend's dad used to be an adcom at UPenn. He knows I am premed, so he gave me his email and phone number so I can call him with questions/concerns and get an objective answer.

Typically, successful parents leads to successful kids, especially if these rich, snobby kids go to an ivy league. A lot of my friends are now working in finance and consulting. Let's say 20 years down the road I decide that medicine isn't right for me. Chances are high that I'll have friends working in biotech/healthcare venture capital that are looking to take on an MD. Or maybe an investment bank wants someone with medical experience to join its healthcare division.

The 'good ole boy' stereotype, in my experience, is largely accurate. Ivy leaguers usually look after and take care of each other. You don't see many SUNY grads working as managing directors at investment banks and consulting firms. I'm not saying I want to go into business, but if down the road i decide that I'd like to go into the business side of healthcare, that option will surely be available to me.
 
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UCBHYMSP** or gtfo. you forgot one, i think your 'public ivy' should be on there

also, another east asian applicant from the UC system. Gl, i really mean it this time

Actually, I'm CAUCasian. But URM from the waist down.
 
I've never even heard of about a third of them until this list, and another third are ones I only recognize because SDN always mentions them when fawning over prestigious SLACs. Prestige only counts if someone knows what it is.
I don't think you assess the veracity of something by whether or not some bit of information is previously familiar to you. If you never considered these types of schools for undergrad, you lived in a different part of the country, or never met an alum, there'd be no reason you'd have heard many of them. So what?

Whether one believes or disbelieves in one ranking or another is irrelevant. The best smaller and private schools provide a different education experience than larger public ones. Not always better, not necessarily worse, but personal and different. If you got what you were looking for from a large public school, great. Just like private school experiences aren't for everyone, not everyone finds what they want (or need) by going to a large public school..
 
I'm not really sure why this is a negative. If my peers don't qualify for fin aid, then their parents must be wealthy, successful people. In my experience, being surrounded by rich ad influential families has been overwhelmingly positive. For example, one of my friend's dad used to be an adcom at UPenn. He knows I am premed, so he gave me his email and phone number so I can call him with questions/concerns and get an objective answer.

Typically, successful parents leads to successful kids, especially if these rich, snobby kids go to an ivy league. A lot of my friends are now working in finance and consulting. Let's say 20 years down the road I decide that medicine isn't right for me. Chances are high that I'll have friends working in biotech/healthcare venture capital that are looking to take on an MD. Or maybe an investment bank wants someone with medical experience to join its healthcare division.

The 'good ole boy' stereotype, in my experience, is largely accurate. Ivy leaguers usually look after and take care of each other. You don't see many SUNY grads working as managing directors at investment banks and consulting firms. I'm not saying I want to go into business, but if down the road i decide that I'd like to go into the business side of healthcare, that option will surely be available to me.

Meh, I don't think anyone will deny that success can be contagious to an extent, but I wouldn't count on a friend's father to get you an interview at UPenn or w/e. Take all of that noise with a large grain of salt.

I just get a little irritated when elite schools are sold as the bastions of social equality and affordable education when most of their alumni/students live on the rosy side of our nation's income gap.
 
too bad nobody of the opposite sex is aware of that. working so hard has its costs.

Unclever, unfunny, and immature. Are you sure you went to Dartmouth bro?
 
I've never even heard of about a third of them until this list, and another third are ones I only recognize because SDN always mentions them when fawning over prestigious SLACs. Prestige only counts if someone knows what it is.

Yea I don't know any LACs either. They're way too academically-focused for me...

I'm not really sure why this is a negative. If my peers don't qualify for fin aid, then their parents must be wealthy, successful people. In my experience, being surrounded by rich ad influential families has been overwhelmingly positive. For example, one of my friend's dad used to be an adcom at UPenn. He knows I am premed, so he gave me his email and phone number so I can call him with questions/concerns and get an objective answer.

Typically, successful parents leads to successful kids, especially if these rich, snobby kids go to an ivy league. A lot of my friends are now working in finance and consulting. Let's say 20 years down the road I decide that medicine isn't right for me. Chances are high that I'll have friends working in biotech/healthcare venture capital that are looking to take on an MD. Or maybe an investment bank wants someone with medical experience to join its healthcare division.

The 'good ole boy' stereotype, in my experience, is largely accurate. Ivy leaguers usually look after and take care of each other. You don't see many SUNY grads working as managing directors at investment banks and consulting firms. I'm not saying I want to go into business, but if down the road i decide that I'd like to go into the business side of healthcare, that option will surely be available to me.

This is an exceptionally good point. While I'm sure most on this forum are very adamant about wanting to go into medicine, at the end of the day, it never hurts to have connections. Even if you are a physician, being well-connected in business can be incredibly valuable, especially for those interested in owning their own practice or dabbling at all in management. It's not just about the clandestine deals or the shameless butt-kissing, but rather about having resources and support when life takes you on unexpected turns.
 
I go to one of those small, overpriced liberal arts school. My school is quite generous with aid, but only around a third of the students receive any aid, me included. I would have to say that the I understand what you guys say about the stereotypes at these types of schools. A lot of my peers are very privileged and some of them show it, but a majority of them, I think, are relatively humble.

However, I think I made the right choice in going to the school I attend now. Had I chosen to attend my state school, I probably would have ended up paying 1k more a year and maybe taking on a bit more loans even with the aid my state school offered me.
 
Unclever, unfunny, and immature. Are you sure you went to Dartmouth bro?

uh oh, looks like i hit a nerve. saying that you are endowed like a urm is unclever, unfunny, immature, racist, and kind of pathetic
 
uh oh, looks like i hit a nerve. saying that you are endowed like a urm is unclever, unfunny, immature, racist, and kind of pathetic

Hey man, you can't just say the same thing i say. That's not how the game works.
 
I just get a little irritated when elite schools are sold as the bastions of social equality and affordable education when most of their alumni/students live on the rosy side of our nation's income gap.

i agree that this is true, but only to some extent. I grew up in a middle class family- went to a public school that put only two students into the ivy league the year i graduated (the other was cornell... sooo yahhhh).

my mom is a nurse and my dad is an accountant, surely there is no pedigree there. still, dartmouth made my education extremely affordable, especially since my parents are paying for a total of four college educations for myself and my three siblings.

i hope (and expect) to use my education and hard work ethic to live on the rosy side of our nation's income gap. and to provide my children with the resources so that they too can go to a dartmouth caliber school and also live on the rosy side of life.

sure, it is hard work to get into the ivy league. but once you are there, it kind of paves the way for your future generations to attend too- you can send them to private schools, pay for expensive tutors/sports camps/mission trips, etc. this is a large part on why legacies are so popular at elite colleges.

it's true that a good deal of the campus is made of preppy new englanders. While I didn't grow up that way, I would find myself very fortunate if my kids and grandkids could enjoy that lifestyle, rather than going to a crappy public school, having to work part time during high school/college, and being surrounded by peers of a lower socioeconomic status. I don't mean to sound callous or crass, but studies show that educational success of students and financial success of parents are directly related.

students and alumni live on the rosier side of things because it is a self propagating cycle
 
ha well with an endowment of $3 BB (that's $ 642,885 for each undergraduate) I probably paid less than you for my bachelor's. It feels good to be able to start medical school debt free.

'The Dartmouth Board of Trustees approved the enhanced program at a special board meeting Jan. 16.
Key elements of the initiative, which will go into effect for the coming academic year, include:
1. Free tuition for students who come from families with annual incomes below $75,000
2. Replacing loans with scholarships
3. Need-blind admissions for international students'

even better if your family makes less than 75k.... you get to go to college fo free. stumpy, you would be paying more for one quarter at the community college that you went to than some kids pay their entire time at dartmouth!

I don't go to/went to a CC. I go to a decently ranked (but not ivy) private school (and I only go there because I got in on an academic scholarship I would've never gotten anywhere else), my family makes well over 75k, and not everyone in the world applied to dartmouth.
I got into Rice and couldn't go because they didn't offer me more than 9k in aid. Don't assume random things.
 
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Many reasons- I think my peers are smarter and often more interesting than the average student at a state school.There are only 4000 undergraduates and 95% of us live on campus, which makes for a very close knit community. Professor are very good, and since classes are so small, they often take student out to lunch or invite them to their houses for dinner. We have excellent resources-- kinase pro is right when he says that DMS is a mid tier med school, but this simply means that dartmouth spends most of its money on facilities to be used by undergraduates.

rednawz was describing the 6 month waiting period before you can volunteer at hospitals near berekeley. With a small premed population, I was able to work many volunteer positions at DHMC with no waiting period/red tape. Also, I took classes taught by research profs at DHMC and DMS, so just by approaching them after class, I was able to get two research positions in material that I found genuinely interesting.

Finally, with a 9:1 student to faculty ratio, you really spend a lot of time with profs, which make for great letters of recommendation. Also, there is never a line to see the premed advisor. Finally, since DHMC is a major medical center, finding doctors to shadow took no effort whatsoever.

ANd then i hear horror stories like what boxinmoxin is experiencing at his commuter school, so I think it is safe to say that the small, private, elite college experience is indeed unique

You're posts are making me snicker. Don't you get it? You fit the exact stereotype of ivy undergrads that you're trying to defend.
 
i agree that this is true, but only to some extent. I grew up in a middle class family- went to a public school that put only two students into the ivy league the year i graduated (the other was cornell... sooo yahhhh).

my mom is a nurse and my dad is an accountant, surely there is no pedigree there. still, dartmouth made my education extremely affordable, especially since my parents are paying for a total of four college educations for myself and my three siblings.

i hope (and expect) to use my education and hard work ethic to live on the rosy side of our nation's income gap. and to provide my children with the resources so that they too can go to a dartmouth caliber school and also live on the rosy side of life.

sure, it is hard work to get into the ivy league. but once you are there, it kind of paves the way for your future generations to attend too- you can send them to private schools, pay for expensive tutors/sports camps/mission trips, etc. this is a large part on why legacies are so popular at elite colleges.

it's true that a good deal of the campus is made of preppy new englanders. While I didn't grow up that way, I would find myself very fortunate if my kids and grandkids could enjoy that lifestyle, rather than going to a crappy public school, having to work part time during high school/college, and being surrounded by peers of a lower socioeconomic status. I don't mean to sound callous or crass, but studies show that educational success of students and financial success of parents are directly related.

students and alumni live on the rosier side of things because it is a self propagating cycle

Why don't you first get into an ivy med school then we'll see? If you end up going to another state med school you're ivy degree won't really matter besides the bragging you might do later on in life.
 
Why don't you first get into an ivy med school then we'll see? If you end up going to another state med school you're ivy degree won't really matter besides the bragging you might do later on in life.

dearest stumpy, remember what i said. my undergraduate years were not a ticket to punch to get to med school. getting into an ivy league med school isnt the end game for me, believe it or not.

i actually enjoy learning, and as i said before, most of the material i learned isn't from my BCPM classes.

no stumpy, i think my undergraduate degree will matter. in fact, it already has. that broad, liberal arts education combined with my above average intelligence has gotten me on jeopardy (O RLY?!?!)
yeah, actually

so cool dude, you can get into princeton med school. people will meet you and see that you're a doctor, so you must be smart, right??
as soon as the conversation changes from medicine to literature, current events, politics, history, or anything other than medicine, you will be sitting there with your thumb up your ass looking like a dip****.
 
dearest stumpy, remember what i said. my undergraduate years were not a ticket to punch to get to med school. getting into an ivy league med school isnt the end game for me, believe it or not.

i actually enjoy learning, and as i said before, most of the material i learned isn't from my BCPM classes.

no stumpy, i think my undergraduate degree will matter. in fact, it already has. that broad, liberal arts education combined with my above average intelligence has gotten me on jeopardy (O RLY?!?!)
yeah, actually

so cool dude, you can get into princeton med school. people will meet you and see that you're a doctor, so you must be smart, right??
as soon as the conversation changes from medicine to literature, current events, politics, history, or anything other than medicine, you will be sitting there with your thumb up your ass looking like a dip****
.

I'm really happy you like liberal arts and think of yourself as a cultured human being. I have nothing against ivies as schools, or you for going to one for that matter. However, the reason why I'm incessantly arguing with you is your constant bashing on people from state schools or lesser private schools. Why can't people from a non ivy learn about politics, history, literature, etc? I want to end this debate with: keep an open mind, you may see smart people where you never though possible.

Also, GO SEE GOOD WILL HUNTING! It might change your life. How do ya like them apples?
 
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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSTqXme9RCk[/YOUTUBE]
 
Also, GO SEE GOOD WILL HUNTING! It might change your life. How do ya like them apples?

a janitor makes less than $75,000 a year, right? oh cool, he would've gone to dartmouth for free.

and, unlike you, it seems like old will actually likes to learn and find things interesting, rather than shirking away from all humanities subjects and only taking BCPM courses in his blind pursuit of an 'ivy league medical school'
 
a janitor makes less than $75,000 a year, right? oh cool, he would've gone to dartmouth for free.

and, unlike you, it seems like old will actually likes to learn and find things interesting, rather than shirking away from all humanities subjects and only taking BCPM courses in his blind pursuit of an 'ivy league medical school'

Again with the condescending tone? Did I ever even mention my major? My school? Or that I even want to go to medical school for that matter?
 
Again with the condescending tone? Did I ever even mention my major? My school? Or that I even want to go to medical school for that matter?

oh yeah you are a french literature major at swarthmore (sorry if you havent heard of this school, it's one of those fluffy, good for nothing lacs), and you want to go into non-profit work when you graduate
 
oh yeah you are a french literature major at swarthmore (sorry if you havent heard of this school, it's one of those fluffy, good for nothing lacs), and you want to go into non-profit work when you graduate

As far as you know, that could be 100% correct.
 
I've never even heard of about a third of them until this list, and another third are ones I only recognize because SDN always mentions them when fawning over prestigious SLACs. Prestige only counts if someone knows what it is.

Most people have never heard of Penn, and when they do, they think you mean Penn State. Most people think WashU is the University of Washington. If it weren't for the Office, most people would not know about Cornell, let alone that it's in the Ivy League. One of my buddies from Chicago has said that people routinely confuse the University of Chicago with the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Point is, LACs are not the only institutions that suffer from name recognition. Besides, most of us who went to LACs did so because we wanted a rigorous education, and not because we wanted people to 'ooh' and 'ahh' when we tell them where we went to college.
 
I don't think you assess the veracity of something by whether or not some bit of information is previously familiar to you. If you never considered these types of schools for undergrad, you lived in a different part of the country, or never met an alum, there'd be no reason you'd have heard many of them. So what?
Seeing how it's intrinsic to the definition of the word prestige, if people aren't familiar with a school, then it's not prestigious. There are regional influences and differences among professions, but if you go to a great school that nobody knows, it's not prestigious.

Point is, LACs are not the only institutions that suffer from name recognition. Besides, most of us who went to LACs did so because we wanted a rigorous education, and not because we wanted people to 'ooh' and 'ahh' when we tell them where we went to college.
I wasn't saying that you needed to go to a school that's prestigious.

so cool dude, you can get into princeton med school. people will meet you and see that you're a doctor, so you must be smart, right??
Princeton Med is a great example of a highly overrated school.

as soon as the conversation changes from medicine to literature, current events, politics, history, or anything other than medicine, you will be sitting there with your thumb up your ass looking like a dip****.
Stay classy.
 
I can already identify the gunners amongst yous. 😛
 
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